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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 03:20 PM) People keep claiming that 2B is one that is the least impactful or least important. Why? I'd like to understand the reasoning behind that because I sure don't understand it. And then I'd point out that Robinson Cano signed a 10 year, $240 million deal. I believe the Mariners overpaid, but that was a franchise that surely felt that 2B was not the least important position on the field and they almost clinched a Wild Card spot last year and are in great position to do so this year. I think the idea is that more teams have bad 2B than other positions, so you aren't as likely to trail other teams. The other side is it makes a guy like Cano worth a LOT more because of position scarcity.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 03:17 PM) It's so soaked with hippopotamus tears already... :'( Uh, those aren't tears...

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 03:16 PM) I don't know if I agree with the bolded...it's too early to say Marcus couldn't be a special player. That said, I'd move Semien for Shark but not Anderson. I don't see any tools that scream above average player. Decent across the board? Sure. Like I said, I would top him out at a 50/80 potentially, with a more realistic expectation of a 40 to 45 average grade.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 03:07 PM) Ultimately I probably would trade Semien for Samardzija, but I'd try and take about every avenue possible to avoid it. I would have been already asking where to sign the deal.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 03:07 PM) PS: I just saw the insaneness of the 2nd part of your post. Why trade for Shark and sign him now, when you could wait a year and sign him as a FA? Well, one, we are playing and designing a plan to be a contending team this year (and a top 3 of Sale / Q / Shark is as good as any in baseball) and two, that price of an extension might be significantly more expensive with Shark on the open market vs. shark today. You have far more teams competing for him, etc. I will continue to say that your style / approach is to only have guys who are more valuable then their contract, never anything less, and under your scenario's, we either give at bats to guys who are young and may or may not have talent (as you don't know unless you give them like 3 years worth of at bats given your general approach to patience) and surround that with guys who you sign to one year deals coming off lousy previous years but with good stuff...who may or may not rebound...you will hit on a few, fail on others, and continuously be a horrific ball club. Edit: Okay I give, we might not be horrific, but we will never win a world series / be a consistent contender with that approach. Because it takes one idiot team to make sure you don't get the player back.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 03:01 PM) The career pitch count is part of the allure of Shark. Shields has the highest # thrown ( i believe) of this offseason's top available guys. Shields threw 252 innings this year (when including the post season), and has been over 200 for eight straight years. It is up to the end user to decide if that is a good thing or a bad thing to bet on.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 02:52 PM) Marcus Semien for 1 year of Jeff Samardzija continues to make no sense for the White Sox. It makes us slightly worse next year most likely in the lineup (Sanchez becomes your full time 2b, have to go sign a utility infielder just to back up Gillaspie), which is even worse in a way than Trading Anderson since trading for Samardzija is such an "all in on 2015" move. It makes a LOT better in the rotation, unless you believe in Chris Bassitt, or Andre Rienzo over JS. Even once Carlos Rodon is up, Hector Noesi is next in line.

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QUOTE (daggins @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 01:55 PM) This is true, but Brantley is likely an upgrade on either of those two guys, and the FO had no way of knowing they would get him. I don't see Flowers getting moved, the Sox pitchers seem to really like him. We added him to protect against his getting picked in the Rule 5. He isn't getting waived now.

QUOTE (daggins @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 01:53 PM) Well there's your backup catcher. With 5 on the 40 man you'd have to think one of Phegley or Kevan Smith will be waived. Smith was JUST added to the 40 man roster.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 01:49 PM) Anybody able to translate? https://twitter.com/ElFanaticoDom/status/542042535125078016 Jeff Samardzija podria pasar a los #Whitesox Via Google translate Jeff Samardzija could happen to #whitesox

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QUOTE (southside hitman @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 01:41 PM) Tim Anderson ‏@TimAnderson7 22s23 seconds ago I Was Taught To Be a Man, Stand On My Two Feet Like a Man. #Ready4unexpected f*** #prospecttweetwatch

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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 01:37 PM) Right but I'd rather have Samardzija than Shields at this point. Shields is 33 years old and will be getting a 5 year deal. No thanks. This.

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QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 01:00 PM) Question about spoilers: On another message board, there was a thread about SOA. In that thread, someone "spoiled" the end of Breaking Bad and what happened to Walter White and another poster got pissed. Breaking Bad ended over a year ago. What's the time limit on spoiler tags? Here we usually go with the rule that if it has aired, it is fair game. Don't want a spoiler after the fact, don't read the TV thread.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 01:01 PM) The more I think about it, the more I'd be perfectly content trading Ramirez for Samardzija, but that doesn't seem like the kind of move the Sox would make. Frankly, I want this situation to be resolved so I can move on. With the prospects we have, I think this makes us a better team.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 12:59 PM) I think when it's all said and done. JS will not get the same deal that Scherzer will. If it was even, I would agree but I don't think it will be. Some of it depends on who is traded of course. I'm fine with Rameirez going. I think he is one of the better SS around but for a quality starting pitcher, I would do it everytime. Max is probably going to get $50ish million more than 6/$130