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QUOTE (gatnom @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 02:11 PM) Between 1980-1991 Illinois was 62-35-3 in Big Ten play. Then came 20 years of bad coaches and weak administration. That is basically 25 years ago now. Things have changed since then.

Brandon Mashinter to IR, roster at 23.

QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 02:01 PM) Illinois is probably the worst college football job in the Big 10. Too many unreasonable expectations from the alumni. Wisconsin, Michigan, Penn St, Nebraska, and Ohio St. have winning history. Northwestern, Minnesota, Purdue, Rutgers, Maryland and Indiana are just happy to be successful sometimes. Iowa , Michigan St. and Illinois are the only schools that have tasted success and think they can get it every year. Iowa and Michigan St. are right and are successful sometimes, Illinois is not. Looking on from the outside in, this is pretty much how I see things as well. Judging by the amount of problems Illinois had trying to find someone to take the job last time around, I think that correlates to this view.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 01:51 PM) Illinois is not a dead end job, its just a potential career killer. Unlike a Memphis job, there is a legitimate expectation that if you are the HC of Illinois you should be able to make a dent in the Big10 if you are looking to move onto one of the upper echelon schools. Its exactly like what a guy like Saban did at MSU. Michigan State is clearly a level above Illinois. It isn't to the Michigan/OSU level, but it is in that next group above the Illinois' and Purdue's of the Big Ten.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 01:44 PM) So now we're changing the argument from "Illinois isn't a step up from Memphis" to "Illinois isn't a DESTINATION school" which no one has ever said. Illinois is a clear step up from Memphis. Actually my exact words were set up for failure and dead end job. Nothing here has changed that.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 01:20 PM) Compared to Memphis? FIU is not much a step backwards. Yes to Illinois they both are. That's what happens when you get fired. That is the whole point. The guys who were most "successful" still washed out and are working at second rate jobs trying to keep a toehold in the industry. That is what a dead end job is

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 01:08 PM) Ron Turner is still head coaching in Division 1 and Zook is coaching in the nfl. Not bad considering they were football brain dead. He's at Florida International. He took a large step backwards. Zook is an assistant special teams coach, again a large step backwards. Illinois just isn't a destination school.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 11:50 AM) I don't think that Memphis has enough of a history of winning to have their coach picked up by a program that is in the top half of a major conference. Memphis really isn't in the category of teams like BYU, Boise St., Central Florida, Cincinnati or East Carolina that have been good for several years. A Memphis coach is going to have to succeed at a better mid-major school or a lower tier power conference school before getting a shot at the big time. Illinois is the kind of school that is going to be interested in a Memphis coach, and given the vulnerability of the Big Ten right now, it's a better gig than someplace like Kansas, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest or Colorado. This is the exact category I see the Illinois job in. It is a clear third tier job in the Big 10.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 11:42 AM) That simply isn't true. Ron Turner and Ron Zook who are both awful football coaches made BCS games at Illinois. A good coach can and almost certainly will win at Illinois. The last 4 Illinois coaches have all just been dreadful football coaches. And I'm not sure if it is still true but not long ago Illinois had more active NFL players than every other school in the Big 10 except Ohio State. Illinois is never going to be Ohio State (well at least not for a really really long time and multiple great hires) but a good coach will win at Illinois. What are Ron Turner and Ron Zook doing now?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 10:46 AM) That would have pushed them over their draft allotment by $40k. The Sox draft allotment was approximately $9.5 mill, and $40K is 0.42% of that total, which is less than 1%. The initial penalty is 75% of anything over their budget between 0-5%. Thus, the ultimate cost to the Sox would have been $70k and no other significant loss. I'm not criticizing the pick, just saying they still could have signed him at relatively little cost to the Sox. That is not correct fully. Sox draft allotment was 9,509,700. The 5% cap was at $9,985,184.99 One penny more, and they lost a draft pick. The Sox spent 9,984,600. They were $584.99 under losing a draft pick. Another $40k costs them a pick.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 12:30 PM) OK, change up time. Any thoughts on the Sox going after Melky Cabrera? Signing Cabrera leaves the Sox with hopefully enough to pry Belt away from the Giants. Now the DH/LF and back up 1B positions have been addressed as well as adding two lefty bats to the lineup. FWIW

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 11:56 AM) Finally a Boardwalk Empire episode this season that wasn't boring or terrible. The wife and I just started pulling them off On Demand a few weeks ago. Now up to the middle of season 2, and really enjoying it so far.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 11:33 AM) Beckman makes nearly double the salary Fuente does, and just being in one of the power 5 conferences, which Memphis isn't, is huge. That part makes sense. If he is that good, won't a better program want him?

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 10:59 AM) Yeah. It's a gigantic step up. It's a job where he is pretty much set up for failure.

Is Illinois really that big of a step up from Memphis in football?

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 07:31 AM) I wanted him so badly instead of Fry. Would have been a great first three picks. Considering he signed for $40,000 less than Reetz, it could have literally been the difference between signing Rodon or not.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 7, 2014 -> 07:01 AM) If anyone wants to read something humorous, read Cowleys tweets from the game last night. He clearly thinks Mirotic is nothing more than a project, and says it multiple times in different ways. But when Mirotic started lighting it up, instead of backtracking he started giving him back handed compliments like "what the Bulls have shown is that their 10th man is better than Washingtons 10th man". Trolling4Life

Yeah, again, listening to Rick and Kenny, if we bring in an OF, he is going to be lefthanded. Period.

QUOTE (Kevtrem @ Oct 6, 2014 -> 11:44 PM) If the Marlins are looking for pitching, how palatable is a Quintana for Yelich and Cishek trade? If I am sending Quintana to Florida, I want Gio Stanton as a part of the deal. There is no other reason to do that trade.

I hear he wears his sunglasses at night.

The last thing I expected was entertainment in a pre-season game.

QUOTE (Brian @ Oct 6, 2014 -> 04:15 PM) Already tired of these jokes. The Re-Re-Return

Kevin Durant's eyes just turned to dollar signs.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 6, 2014 -> 02:58 PM) Yeah. Masterson's usually had alternating good years throughout his career though. But the drop in velocity is very discouraging. He was pretty steadily between 92-93 on his fastball, and he went from 93 to just over 90 this year. Any injury talk? I didn't realize there was that kind of drop off.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Oct 6, 2014 -> 04:06 PM) LOL, very true. Daver and Voodoochile are kind of the henchmen of WSI. Their form of "moderating" has done a great deal of help for SoxTalk. I was an eight year poster there until they forced my hand into finding and joining SoxTalk. Now we know who to blame