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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 01:44 PM) Explain how having an NFL team named the Washington R*dskins: 1) doesn't put barriers between American Indians and people who embrace or defend that use of the racial slur 2) somehow furthers the cause of the mistreatment of American Indians 3) lessens ignorance And explain how not having an NFL team named with a racial slur: 1) builds artifical barriers 2) prevents anyone from caring about other AmerIndian issues 3) embraces ignorance It is a cause du jour. It is way for someone to claim victory over someone else, and achieve literally nothing that makes the daily life of someone a better thing. Reframing this into something that can be won as an argument achieves even less. There is a greater problem that is being ignored in favor of winning a meme. Congrats, you win the meme.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 01:36 PM) using this logic, we should have a team called the Chicago N*****s because hey, otherwise we're hiding that s***ty, racist term away from the public view. And that's bad, for some reason. edit: and also, for some reason, removing a racist team name means you can't address any other issues related to American Indians? But no one does. I think honestly it is a way to assuage some white guilt, and that serves as a feel good substitute. But avoid the real issues, and let the problems simmer instead of doing something about the real problems. And at the end of the day, some people are OK with being told what to think, what to say, and how to say. In fact we have entire movements around that now, so it is commonly accepted. Socially it is much easier to post a meme, just like we have seen in this thread multiple times, than to actually get down to the root of the problem. So that is what is done. Post a picture of a real Indian in the same picture as an idiot in an Indian outfit with a cute caption, and be done. Boy you've done 21st century social activism. Awesome. Now off to Starbucks.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 01:12 PM) What's the point?? I just don't see Dunn WANTING to come back to Chicago, or JR wanting him back. With all this retirement talk, he doesn't even sound like he's happy about finishing this season. It's bad enough we always hear stories Ventura isn't sure about managing long-term, we shouldn't invest another year in a DH who doesn't even feel excited to play anymore. On one hand, we've got Avisail Garcia busting his butt in rehab and hustling on every play, Dunn's pretty much the antithesis of that. What's next? Konerko will want to come back as player/coach in 2015? The point is who is the left handed power in the white sox line up next year.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 01:04 PM) So basically you just want the problem to go away because it's annoying you to hear about it but you can't be troubled to have it effect you in any way and can't offer any suggestions for what could actually be done to make "R*dskin" usable in daily conversation. I want the problem to be solved, not hidden away from public view with a few farcical shows of "caring" by banning a term.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 12:40 PM) Here is the relevant SC case, Tennessee v Garner. This is the holding: 3.(2)(a) doesn't meet that standard. They can't use deadly force to effect an arrest just because someone has committed a felony, there has to be a significant threat of death or serious injury. I don't think you can argue such a threat existed if we're assuming (for argument) that Wilson fired at Brown while he was fleeing or when he turned around with his hands up. I'm pretty sure you can't charge someone with a crime that isn't on the books.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 12:59 PM) The reality though is that teams gave up actually talented players for some of those guys. That's where Danks could have fit in if the Sox were willing to eat a little bit of money or if the Sox were more aggressive in dumping him in June. What were the offers for Danks in June?

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 12:57 PM) That is why it is imperative to see what you have in Wilkins. He may suck and I would argue that is more likely than feeling confident to place him as your DH next year, but you gotta see what you have. I really doubt you see him this fall. We are already opening up a 40 man roster spot for Rodon, and made one for Avi.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 12:55 PM) I've said this before and I'll say it again- who specifically do you all want when you ask for a lefty bat to replace Dunn? There just aren't many LH power hitters on the market. It isn't popular, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Dunn back on a much cheaper one year deal.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 12:50 PM) I don't want to see Rodon penciled in as a starter at the start of next year. We need to have 5 starters ready to go, and call Rodon up in event of injury or someone gets traded. Ideally, we shouldn't call him up until June. Even if we pencil him in as a starter, I am sure he will be on an inning limit, and he won't be able to help much in a playoff race if we are in one. I don't want to either, but it as plain as day to me that he is going to be in the starting rotation in 2015. There is literally no good reason to have him here in September 2014, unless you are planning to have him here in 2015.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 12:46 PM) You've made a very profound and strong case in favor of reparations. No, you have imagined that too. Here have some dollars, now go away, doesn't help the situation either.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 12:40 PM) What thought do you want to communicate using the term r*dskin that you cannot communicate otherwise? What pushes cultures further apart, stopping using a term, or the racist mother*****r who is using it? (George Carlin quote) Putting artificial barriers between yourself and another race, perfectly acceptable as an answer. Who cares they all are confined to reservations and were slaughtered by the millions... just don't call a football team "redskins". This is the same logic that goes into book banning. Someone is offended by the contents of a book, well we can't have that, let's ban it! We can't have an honest discussion of the history and problems behind the topic? Nah, that would make someone uncomfortable. Let's keep the ignorance fully in place.

a grievance on Nix behalf has been filed. http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2014/...ros/#22102101=0

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 12:23 PM) Under what circumstances would you feel it remotely possible to strip a word with a racial history of its power enough that you'd feel willing to use it to a person's face? Can you give me an example of where that has happened? Even looking through words tossed at Irish or Italian Americans through time, I don't think you'd call people those today. Again, you make my point for me. Instead of addressing the problem, we ban the thought. We push cultures further apart. The issue behind the evil unspeakable word is never addressed, and isn't able to be addressed, because you can't have an honest discussion of something deemed "offensive" in this country.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 12:17 PM) Was this directed at me? Yes.

You just made my point for me.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 11:25 AM) Literally no chance this guy gets convicted of murder. From the article, the law on using deadly force in MO. If the guy really does have a broken face from Brown, I can't see how that won't be grey area enough to prevent conviction.

Too bad we can't concentrate more on taking the power out of words, instead of being national censors. We'd be much better off.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 11:09 AM) Taking a stab at the charges-none Even if they relent to political pressure to charge, there is zero chance of a conviction.

QUOTE (Big Hurtin @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 11:08 AM) Not a playoff team We can be happy about Jerry's wallet though, if that's your thing. Next to "White Flag" and "attendance", this is my least favorite White Sox meme.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 11:18 AM) Right. Especially in the AL, when you are not double switching a lot, your 4th OF shouldn't be getting a lot of PAs. You need a guy on the roster who is good defensively at all three OF positions, can be used as a pinch runner, and is cheap. If that guy happens to be able to hit, that's just a bonus. I'm not paying DeAza $3M more than Danks to be the 4th OF just because DeAza's OPS will be 100 points higher. Especially when De Aza doesn't play RF, and doesn't like playing CF. Plus he is about as scary as PR as we could have on the bench.

QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 10:15 AM) if Hahn improves the ballclub again as much as he did last offseason How many Jose Abreu's are out there?

QUOTE (shysocks @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 10:05 AM) "Fine 4th OF" is his celing. I have no problem with that assessment. In the 4th/5th OF role, he is going to be a PR, a defensive replacement, and somewhere around 150-200 ABs annually.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 10:03 AM) A lot is up in the air, esp. with the pitching staff. If they sign a starter and Rodon looks poised for a good season, they might be a trendy sleeper pick. Still holes everywhere though. I said it in another thread, and I will say it again. Forget about the Sox spending free agent dollars on a starting pitcher. With the path they have Rodon on, he will be a SP for the White Sox next year. They may well bring in another reclamation project or two, but they will not spend 8 or 9 figures on an SP. Sale Quintana Danks Noesi Rodon. That is your very probable rotation for 2015.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 08:14 AM) Attention all playoff contenders: If it starts raining during an "official" game, advise your grounds crew to work as slowly and clumsily as possible. If the field becomes unplayable, you win! It would really be hilarious if they miss the top draft pick by one game.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 09:53 AM) We're using an 8-game sample in which he's hitting competently to "lol at the haters?" You could take the worst hitters in the majors and find 8 games where they did well - toss in one homer, that's all you need. His defense is by no means too good to pass up and as others have said, a good team can't rely on a player like JorDanks. Except reality states that there are only so many starting OF's to go around. Most bench players are such because they aren't good enough to start. Danks is a fine 4th/5th OF in the majors.