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QUOTE (raBBit @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 04:06 PM) Can any of you degenerates confirm that using Viagra with drinking isn't going to kill me or my girl? I'm not sure why your girl is taking Viagra, unless...

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 04:15 PM) It's incredibly difficult to replace either one of them. How many players out there are gold glove caliber players at 3B who also draw walks and hit for a lot of power? How many players have the arm and range of a guy like Jason Heyward? Let's put this a different way - if you could only pick one of Chris Sale or Jose Abreu, which would you pick? It's the same exact thing. Again, I think you are severely underrating the importance and the value of their defense. Now that is a topic.

GasMoneyBob ‏@GasMoneyBob 2h I haven't been this excited for a Cubs prospect since Felix Pie.

Bernie Pleskoff ‏@BerniePleskoff 10m #SFGiants have announced that P Matt Cain will have elbow surgery.

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 3m On waivers today: Rest of the relevant #Phillies: Byrd, Papelbon, Rollins, Utley, Hamels, Ruiz. They will clear (or not) on Wednesday.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 03:33 PM) It is mandatory for a new mod to wear the Soxtalk mesh haltertop. Wite has had it for while, so it is a little worn out, but usable. Oh hey look, my lunch is back again!

QUOTE (raBBit @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 03:28 PM) Game threads aren't official until you start complaining! I will be at the game tonight. Sitting first row in section 145. If only Rick Hahn had signed better game thread starters to Soxtalk, we'd be in first place!

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 03:35 PM) So nobody can throw stuff at him in RF. Why bother? He couldn't catch it or hit it anyway.

QUOTE (VAfan @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 03:14 PM) Also, I'd just like to clarify one point, because I've also been highly critical of Robin Ventura for mismanaging our bullpen. We have a crappy bullpen. About that I think even Rick Hahn's defenders would agree. My problem with Robin Ventura has been that he's made things worse than they needed to be by using guys like Bellisario in critical games. There's just no way you should give Bellisario the opportunity to LOSE 8 GAMES! He did it in back-to-back starts by Scott Carroll against the Twins, well AFTER everyone could see that Bellisario was toast. Both losses blunted what would otherwise have been a Sox hot streak back to .500 play. He also did it in 2012 with Matt Thornton, who was given the opportunity to lose 10 games for a contending team. At some point, you've got to use different options. He's used MANY different options. I think something like 4 guys have tried closing games alone this year in Lindstrom, Petricka, Bellisario, and Putnam. I think pretty much everyone who has been here for longer than a week has gotten a chance at being the 8th inning guy at some point. Even Webb has been out there a couple of times.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 02:49 PM) No it's not. They obviously thought Davidson was better than he was. I'm not applying hindsight. I thought Reed was more valuable than Davidson. Here are your replies from the trade thread. Maybe I can read into some that you aren't excited about Davidson, but I don't see anything about the loss of Reed, or that he is more valuable than Davidson. There really isn't much of a commitment from you on the trade one way or another. I left out the posts about other things. The first post is in relation to how everyone likes the trade. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 03:53 PM) No offense to anyone, but not only Soxtalk, just about every Sox message board. Scary. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 04:21 PM) It is all about the ceiling. Hawkins still hit with power. I read some scouting report that if he could learn to shorten his swing and use all fields the scout swears he will be a star. That is easier said than done. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 04:26 PM) I think Hahn will be thrilled with 3 out of Abreu, Garcia, Eaton and Davidson working out. But I am sure he is praying Abreu is one of the three. It is worth a shot. If they all work out, you have a new core on the fly. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 04:57 PM) I do know Phil Rogers has had a lot of input with BA on White Sox lists in the past. It was all part of Wilder's scheme. He would talk the frauds up with Phil to kind of hide his crime. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 17, 2013 -> 09:23 AM) He has traded 2 of his young guys with value however in Santiago and Reed. It would really be awesome if all these young players pan out. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 17, 2013 -> 09:36 AM) It could be, or it might be that he can't acquire what he wants with the guys who are available in his system. KW got ripped for trading minor leaguers. Gio haunts him. Everyone else........who cares? It might have cost the Charlotte Knights some wins, but not the White Sox. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 17, 2013 -> 01:55 PM) If none of Abreu, Eaton, Garcia or Davidson bust, Hahn is one of the best GMs in baseball. He's probably upper tier if one busts. Prospects break your heart. BP actually has a feature named that. If Davidson is more Crede than Fields, if Garcia is more Maggs than Jeff Abbott, if Eaton is more Dykstra than John Cangelosi, Hahn's work will try to be copied everywhere. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 17, 2013 -> 02:22 PM) Hope the AZ guys play like the last offensive prospect the Sox received from them. TCQ.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 02:41 PM) Oh so you're the reason we got all these problems. Why am I not surprised? I am going to start a thread and say "Is it Kyyle's fault that the Sox have had as many problems as they did and couldn't make any trades and why they don't spend any money and the minor leagues are so bad?" Let me be the first to reply... Yes. Yes it is KyYle's fault.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 02:33 PM) Stop making sense. A GM dealing with the media every day cannot just come out and say I think we have every piece we need to win the World Series this year and especially can't say "we have no chance this year" .The political thing he must say is " I like our team. I think we have improved and are working on a goal we feel will put us in contention for many years to come. We have a young exciting team and we're going to get much better sooner rather than later." And then someone starts screaming "White Flag" when it doesn't work.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 02:23 PM) The White Sox didn't get one of those in the trade. In hindsight, yes. In hindsight many guys sucked this year. We can't go back and retroactively cut the 10 guys on this team who have underperformed either. But in terms of a building a baseball team, that is a move you make every, single time, no matter what hindsight you apply here.

QUOTE (VAfan @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 02:18 PM) Not really. Bellisario isn't hurt. Scott Downs never got hurt. Javy Guerra, a waiver-wire pickup who's blown 5 saves, isn't hurt. Rienzo isn't hurt. And Matt Lindstrom, even when he was healthy, wasn't a viable closer. The plan was bad, and it came out worse because Nate Jones hasn't played. But Nate Jones being healthy wouldn't have saved this bullpen. Just accept that Rick Hahn deserves criticism for a bad bullpen plan, and one that undervalued the importance of a good bullpen. I'm not arguing that he should be fired. Those three are perfect examples of why just throwing money at a pen isn't a great idea either. They are notoriously volatile. We threw $4 million at Scott Downs who has been one of the best LOOGY's in the game for a decade. We threw a three year deal at Scott Linebrink who was as steady as they came before getting to Chicago. Matt Thornton was a great of a lefty reliever as existed for nearly a decade just cratered last year. They obviously had a plan. The brought in guys to try to stabilize things. They weren't going to spend 8 figure contracts on relievers, when just about everyone had the Sox for a .500 season. That is just a complete waste of resources.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 02:07 PM) I actually wanted them to keep a $538k pitcher. I don't know what you are on to come up with the other stuff, although I'm sure you are now glad the Sox spent some money on Abreu. And they bid 9 figures on Tanaka. They have plenty of money. In the spot where the Sox are, a starting 3B is much more important than a closer. We are taking about one inning 40 to 50 times a year, versus 140-150 games a year. Sure Davidson failed, but unless that closer is the final piece of a playoff team, you make that deal every single day.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 01:42 PM) The point is if Matt Lindstrom and Nate Jones are your top bullpen pieces, your bullpen isn't very good. It is still much better than one with Makiel Cleto, Taylor Thompson, and the rest of the clowns that have been out there this year.

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 01:25 PM) would you trade abreu for donaldson (money aside)? I think the more accurate question is does anyone really believe that if you switched Donaldson's and Abreu's exact preformances this year to the opposite teams, if there would be no change at all on their respective teams. If the answer is no, the stat is flawed.

QUOTE (VAfan @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 01:27 PM) You can rebuild and contend at the same time. The two are not mutually exclusive. Many on this board thought, going into the season, that the Sox would be around .500. Which puts you into contention for the playoffs (if not the World Series) in today's MLB. Rick Hahn didn't intentionally build a bad bullpen, or completely ignore the pen on the idea that it wasn't worth doing anything until the team was ready to "contend." He did, however, have a very bad plan, and undervalued the importance of a good pen, and he deserves criticism on both counts, since with a better plan, and a better pen, the 2014 White Sox would be vying for first place in the AL Central, not to mention a wild card slot. I think these points are undeniable. Not really. A bad pen is something that tends to happen when your back two guys get hurt.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 01:04 PM) Cleto called up Ugh.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 12:56 PM) Baez getting called up tomorrow. So it begins... Stupid. Don't call those guys up until after the super2 deadline next year. There is zero reason to waste service time.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 11:43 AM) If you go back to the thread where Lindstrom was DL'd , I didn't read one post that hinted the poster thought it was much of a blow to the bullpen, and that was after Nate Jones was out. It ranged from the bullpen will be better off, to someone saying it could cost the Sox a Brandon Jacobs-like prospect at the deadline, to mentioning several of the other relievers as interchangable parts. I have always liked Nate Jones. But there is another guy who has been ripped on this board before, and suddenly he is an irreplaceable part of the bullpen. I found a few with a quick scan. QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ May 21, 2014 -> 08:09 AM) I understand people being frustrated with Lindstrom's performance and somewhat ambivalent (or in some cases, glad) he's no longer the closer, but this is really a frustrating injury. We're not competing this year. I just can't see us seriously thinking we have a shot come July. Lindstrom is a veteran pitcher who has had success in his past. We really should have wanted him to be our closer, essentially no matter what, right up until the trade deadline in hopes that someone desperate for BP help came calling and offered us a B-level prospect for him. This no appears extremely unlikely to happen. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 21, 2014 -> 08:58 AM) Exactly, there is no "good news" here. QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 21, 2014 -> 09:10 AM) I know I'm about to play the moral high ground card here, but you should not be happy that a player on the team you cheer for was [potentially seriously] injured.

QUOTE (VAfan @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 11:34 AM) I don't get the "it's a rebuilding year, therefore it's okay to trot out a horrible pen" argument at all. The Sox don't do "rebuilding." At least they never did under Kenny Williams. Granted, Hahn changed out much of the core of the team, but it wasn't with the idea that they'd still suck. No one can convince me that that was ever even thought of among the Sox brass. The problem was, he completely undervalued the importance of a good bullpen. Here are the sorted stats for team bullpens for 2014. http://tinyurl.com/my2e7bh This gives a pretty good idea of the value of a good pen. The Sox pen has lost 22 games, tops in the majors. Minnesota and KC are near the bottom, with 12 pen losses. The Tigers pen has lost 14 games. Cleveland's pen has lost 15 games. Look at the difference between save opportunities and saves. For the Sox it's 17 games (25 saves in 42 chances). Cleveland is next worse at 13, with Minnesota at 11, and Detroit and KC at 10. The Tigers bullpen ERA is actually worse than the Sox. But Minnesota and KC are both more than a run better than the Sox. Cleveland has the best bullpen ERA in the AL Central, and their relievers are 25-15. So, swap out the Sox bullpen for the ones in Cleveland, KC, or Minnesota, and the Sox are vying with the Tigers for the AL Central lead. It's not because those teams have spent a lot more money on their pen, or money that would be beyond the White Sox' resources. They've just done a much better job filling those holes. Kenny Williams, before he was promoted, even used the word "rebuilding" for what was happening to the Sox right now.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 11:19 AM) Terrorist group/governing body A bombs country B. Country B says "oh no you didn't" and defends itself. Country B is in the wrong. How do smart people come to this moronic conclusion? The Israeli/Palestinian conflicts remind me of having your two kids arguing and fighting non-stop. Well except they have guns and bombs and don't mind killing each other in massive totals. There is no neutrality on this problem. Both sides commit horrible acts on the other side, and justify it by the previous horrible act by other side, which was justified by the previous horrible act by other side, etc. The reporting on the event just as bad. No one other balances out both sides and calls both sides to task for what they are responsible for. Only one side can be made to look bad, and then it has to be as bad as possible. The entire situation is just sad.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 11:42 AM) It's not a state being run into the ground by IL politicians, so it's better and belongs. Also true.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 10:51 AM) The one thing that could happen is Love, maybe through his reps, ends up deciding Chicago is a far better destination for himself and he plays a little hardball and throws a wrinkle into the mix. Absolutely.