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QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 1, 2014 -> 09:54 AM) I think Bulls are probably pissed that Rose is referencing "hearing things" but never personally experiencing it, and Cowley alluding to a lot without any actual evidence that the FO was pouting about Rose's involvement. Honestly, I'd believe him, but I've read like 4 different versions of events on Rose's role in Anthony's recruiting. All have been pretty different. Cowley basically just took all of the different versions, mixed them up, and called it "news".

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 09:23 PM) That's a pretty small difference in ERA's, not where you can make a judgment on that stat alone. I do know that Reed has 26 saves for a lousy team, and that he is/was clearly better at closing than either Lindstrom or Belasario. Those two guys are much better set up men than closers, so it follows that if Reed were not traded. he would have been closing and those two guys would have been in their proper places in the bullpen, and just maybe we wouldn't have had to pitch Paulino at all, and voila the Sox are several games better. Does not seem very complicated. Better closing + better set up performances = a few more wins. The number you gave earlier was essentially 10 games. Don't backtrack and minimize now.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 07:30 PM) You don't know that. Maybe the "something" they could have gotten for him was less than what Hahn wanted. With the movement of pitchers today, it is reasonable to think hahn got offers but wanted more. Hopefully Danks can contribute in the rotation next year. So you feed me, "you don't know that" but then go on to speculate about what Hahn was thinking? Um, ok.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 07:05 PM) I guess we will find out. Barring the miracle of trades, I just don't see why the Sox wouldnt . I was looking at Bacon and Semien's stats on baseball reference and there very very little difference between what Semien gave the Sox and what Bacon is doing now. Difference is Semien could be gaining valuable experience while giving the Sox literally the same production. As a professional baseball organization, there is no good reason for them to give away players that they are still paying. If we had superior replacements available, that would be one thing. We don't.

QUOTE (kev211 @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 06:21 PM) If that is the team we go with next year then rick Hahn must've gone into a comma during the offseason. More like a period.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 05:16 PM) Ultimately I think Dunn, Beckham and ADA end up DFA'd. I just don't see any takers. I know I wouldn't want them. As for the deadline, not too surprised since the Sox were essentially trying to acquire something for pretty much nothing. None of those three will be DFA'd. None. Gordo and ADA might be non-tendered at the end of the year. That is as close as it would come.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 05:11 PM) He could dump Beckham's sorry ass at least. What a joke this deadline was. DFA the sorry sonf of a b**** Why? Because you don't like the guy? That is literally the worst reason possible.

QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 04:38 PM) The Tigers get Price, and we can't even dump Beckham to free up room for Semien. Pathetic. /=

This trade was the ultimate "Kenny Williams" deal. Trade tomorrow for today, and next year be damned.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 04:10 PM) I agree also except you left out one scenario. Danks tanks the rest of this year so the Sox are stuck w him even as a back of rotation guy w little value. Time will tell. Then they get nothing out of him, just like they were going to get now. If they could have gotten something for him, he wouldn't be here.

SUCK IT DETROIT!

Safe? WTF?

Clearly out.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 04:02 PM) They didn't need to move him. If they weren't getting the right value - and they weren't asking for a lot (I wasn't in there and I know that, I can read between the lines) - there's no need to move him. This is exactly what Eminor has mentioned on a few different occasions. The value Danks represents is less than his contract, so the Sox would have to pick up money just to move him. He's not worthless though, as he's a viable option at the back end of the rotation. Still, no team is going to give up a very good piece for Danks. Thus, you're basically asking yourself: is it better to keep John Danks at $14 million for the next 2 years and have him act as a back of the rotation starter, eating innings for the Sox, or include $8-10 million (thus only saying somewhere around $22-24 million), needing to bring in another back of the rotation starter, and getting little to no value for John Danks? The answer to the question is that Danks is worth much more to the White Sox and it's better to keep him at $14 mill. This is a real good post, and exactly how Rick Hahn has to be thinking. Should he have moved Danks if he got a good offer? Yes. Did he have to move him? Absolutely not. With the payroll flexibility that they have, there is no reason for the Sox to force a deal just for the sake of making a deal. Bring Danks back, you can still deal him over the winter, when all teams would have a chance to bid on him. You can also hope for improvement over the winter, and see if as his contract bleeds away, that another team might have interest. With the low payroll, the Sox have room to store his deal.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 03:54 PM) Their defense just got exponentially worse. And it was bad to start with.

Sierra just about hit that one out.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 03:51 PM) Sox bullpen ERA = 3.89 Addison Reed ERA = 3.95 So yeah, I can see how the Sox would be so many games better by adding a guy with a 3.95 ERA to a bullpen with a 3.89 ERA ERA+ 96, -0.3 WAR,

So Rajai Davis is now the Tigers starting CF? Oh boy.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 03:45 PM) They would be if the hadn't traded Addison Reed. Stop. This team would not be 10 games better with Addison Reed on it. Reed hasn't even been very good this year.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 03:45 PM) That was an absolute heist by Dombrowski. One of the most lopsided trades in years, even with the Tigers eating however much money they ate. No doubt. Finding someone to take the contract, with all of the other massive deals they have on their books, was huge.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 03:29 PM) They can't go on a run. I think their longest winning streak is 4. And they also don't seem to go on any prolonged losing streaks either.

Welcome to Soxtalk, the bulk of the discussion has been happening here. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=92954

The Tigers apparently are just planning on the Don Cooper plan of getting all of the starters so that they never have to use their bullpen.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 03:01 PM) Exactly. Price won't be offering them a discount, so if he stays there long-term it's gonna be a mega deal that he would have signed either way. And they lost their best defender and leadoff hitter to do it.