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QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 02:24 PM) Whoever it was who was arguing Gillaspie needed to be DFA'd if Davidson had a decent spring is conspicuously quiet in this thread. I remember saying that Gillaspie didn't matter in the grand scheme of things for the long run, and if Davidson was ready to go in spring training, that they could just dump Conor. But that dude has turned into a little hitting machine. He has simplified his stroke, and is working with the pitch instead of looking for distance.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 02:42 PM) They're about giant robots fighting. I like my make-believe violent movies to have depth and meaning!

I can think of maybe one poster who would consistently say that Ozzie was a good in game manager. Almost all of the positive things about Guillen as a manager that were said had to do with how he motivated certain players, at least until he quit caring about anyone but himself. The vast majority here thought of him as an in-game idiot. Anything else is revisionist history.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 02:39 PM) I like to ask this, do you really think moving him up either now or later will help. the reason I and asking is I feel like he is getting his game back. the same game potential that made him a our #1 pick. let him fully get his confidence going. however the base professional will know more than I would. your thoughts are appreciated. I say that with no real opinion on the matter, but rather the history the White Sox have of moving top prospects up if the level above them makes it into the playoffs. They like to expose them to a bit of pressure, when they can.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 02:47 PM) 1 ss2k5 Rose meme down, 1 to go. Thank god.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 02:37 PM) He continued to get better and better? Didn't he score like 6 points total in his last 5 games? He wouldn't get off Thibs bench for 3 years. Guys who can't score, and play killer defense are starters for Thibs. It is guys who can't defend, but can score who don't play.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 02:25 PM) Ozzie was a much better game manager than Robin. Ozzie was more middle of the pack in that respect. In his first couple/few seasons, before his ego got the best of him, the way he would handle the clubhouse and media and get the players to play for him overall made him an asset. Ozzie's #1 biggest issue was ego, and his #2 biggest issue wasn't really even his fault, it was Reinsdorf's fault, by letting him be part-GM and help do Kenny's job. I guess the thought with Robin was that he could be an Ozzie-like manager in terms of dealing with the public and clubhouse, and could keep things in order, without all the ego stuff, self-importance, without all the feelings of entitlement that he should be allowed to make GM types of decisions or heavily influence what the GM wanted to do, etc. **IF** Robin could develop into a mid-level, Ozzie type of game/field manager and do the above then we will have an asset. But 3 years into this thing and I see still the glaring brain farts, none more glaring than micromanaging the IF defense while allowing your corner OFs to play shallow routinely, falling for the fake bunt and drawing the 3B in so the hitter can smack the ball by him when the guy at the plate isn't even a threat to lay down a good bunt anyway, not getting his relievers up in time and deciding to overtrust and undertrust players, etc. Just the basic stuff. I will say that I like a few things, like his use of Nieto this year and so on, basically taking a chance and adding a bench player as mostly the backup C role is a spot that isn't even used. On the whole he's bad though. I could get behind the idea Chisoxfn through out there about a new bench coach. If this is mostly/largely Parent's work then HE GONE. IMO. I'll be honest, I quit reading right there. Ozzie got almost the exact same spate of complaints about how he handled pitchers and bullpens. He also got crucified for his "sunday line ups" and running needlessly with two outs.

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 02:13 PM) I'll be pretty disappointed if he doesn't end up a Blackhawk. I have a hard time imaging Vancouver cutting a deal that could help the Hawks out

Comcast SportsNet ‏@CSNPhilly 1h Per @dlynamCSN, the #Sixers have "increased their offer" to the Cavs to try and get the No. 1 pick tonight: http://ow.ly/yuqXm

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 19m Trade senses are on high alert. Starting to sound like Kesler deal is inching closer. Still working on destination, but next 24hrs, perhaps.

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 12m Sources: #BlueJays exploring market for IFers. Kawasaki/Tolleson platoon at 2B, Francisco .600 OPS in June, poor numbers vs. lefties. #BlueJays could upgrade at second or third and play Lawrie at either spot when he returns. Team wants SP, but open to any form of upgrade.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 02:05 PM) NO ONE HAS EVER SAID THIS Because what it is good for?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 01:57 PM) Exactly. It was only 3 months ago some were worrying about Matt Davidson's arb clock. As a franchise with limited resources, they should be looking at the payroll that closely.

QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 01:50 PM) It sure is. At first this season I had a real hard time imagining Hawkins in AA next year. Lately that's much easier to imagine. At the rate he is going, he might finish the season there, especially if they get to the post season.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 01:52 PM) My problem with Ventura is that we are seeing the exact same mental mistakes in the field and on the basepaths as last year. Throw in his at times puzzling bullpen decisions (granted he has s*** to work with) and I don't really think he's the man we want when we have a decent team again. IMO his only real strength is that he keeps things in the clubhouse and deals well with the media. His tactics often leave me scratching my head and some of his decisions have led directly to losses. Running out of pitchers earlier in the year was a pretty bad sin. That's just not something that can happen in your 3rd year managing. I think this year has been better than last year, except for a couple of the more stupid players. In general, when your pen sucks, there isn't much to manage. For much of the season, he has been arms short out there, and relying on minor leaguers and DFA's to do jobs that they shouldn't be doing. It is like asking a world class sprinter to run a marathon. They just aren't that good. The other side of the coin is that when play are made, everyone forgets about them. That's why it seems so unbalanced. If you don't believe me, pick another team, and watch what their fans say about them. Every single manager in baseball does incredibly stupid and obvious things, according to their own fans.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 01:28 PM) The larger point you are glossing over is that there are other options to lead this thing. It's not as though rebuilding efforts can only prove successful if they occur under the managerial genius of Robin Ventura. If the FO wants to half-ass the managerial part of the product while it is going through changes then whatever, that's their choice, but I think it's unnecessay. I think the best thing (for Robin) that anyone can reasonably say is that he should be re-evaluated after the season. This is his 3rd year and if by the end of Year 3 it's still "what you see is what you get" then that isn't going to cut it. You could bring the worlds best manager in here, and we are still looking at a .500ish team. Honestly, I think the fact that this team has been competitive this year despite the rash of injuries and a couple of key prospect failures supports Ventura as opposed to working against him. It is easy to get into the minutia for any manager and make them look bad. Big picture? The Sox have seen their pre-season starting LF, CF, 3B, 2B, 1B, #1 starter, #2 starter, closer, top set up man, etc all spend time on the DL this year. They have seen a couple of other key players just fail. With all of this, the Sox could have the Cubs record, and it wouldn't have surprised me. If you want to measure the manager, measure him on the quality of the team as it relates to how potentially good they could be. This was never going to be a squad that would make the playoffs, why measure them that way?

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 01:31 PM) Bernsie... a bully? Say it aint so! That being said, Hawk has gotten very odd this year. I dont watch their game son TV anymore. I think he is having vision problems this year. He isn't following the games well at all. He is usually pretty behind on calling plays this year, especially homers.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 01:14 PM) The IRS no longer has a six-month retention policy, but there's no obvious reason that a regulatory agency needs to have the same records retention policies as the bodies it is regulating. lol. Yes, because the IRS has never been used as a public weapon or anything. Absurd. Regulatory agencies do need to be held accountable, for really obvious reasons.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 01:07 PM) I know what the Sox are doing. I approve of what the Sox are doing. Do...you...understand...that? So you grasp all of that, but are still looking to light the torches... Um, OK. That makes no sense at all.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 12:58 PM) The IRS had a six-month retention policy on emails. It changed that somewhat recently. I don't know if the old retention policy violated any sort of legal requirements such as FOIA. I've seen conservatives in the comments section on sites like Volokh saying it did, but no actual citation. I don't know what other federal agency retention policies are or were. Saving every email of all 90,000 employees is not the same thing as saving tax records. It is a MUCH smaller burden than the retention policy the government forces on the trading industry though. They are required to save all emails, any recorded phone calls, any trading data, and all compliance information and supporting data. It dwarfs what the IRS requires of itself. It if a f***ing joke.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 12:55 PM) You're missing the point. It's amazing how many Sox apologists are on this board. Nothing the Sox do can be wrong. Again---what year do the training wheels come off (yes, I know this will take a couple years), and excuses and bad managers can't be an excuse? 2016? 2017? Or will it just be--blame a couple bullpen arms---oh well---4th and 5th in the division again...try next year. Welcome to rebuilding. Odds are we are talking 2015 or 2016 at the earliest. You can stomp your feet all you want, but at the end of the day, this is a team that is reshaping its roster. We are probably lucky that we didn't trade everyone and make this at least a half of a decade process instead of 2-3 years.

Great defensive play by GER

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 12:47 PM) Of course not. I don't even think it's 2015 unless everything goes right. I'm just tired of the Sox having excuses, because they always have them. What year starts the clock on "no excuses, it's time to win"? What year does Robin take an 85-win talent team, and make them an 88-win team because he's a good manager? It's called rebuilding. Pretty much the entire fanbase wanted exactly that. Now that is being held against the organization?

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 12:44 PM) Idk, but it definitely ISN'T year one, lol. Fer realz. Who watched the last year of games and activity and thought "This team should win the AL Central"?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 10:55 AM) Fun fact, Neighbors is called Bad Neighbors in every other country My favorite part is that Kim Jung Un has a problem with it.