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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 10:25 AM) The forum has pinned/closed threads that explain it. But basically, you "adopt" some prospect in the system, create a thread in the APP forum for said player, but in some useful info (see some examples linked in a closed thread to see what I mean, as a template, but do it however you want to), and update the thread every so often with interesting updates about that prospect. No big deal. Except for the part about electric shock if you don't update every so often.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 09:40 AM) No it wouldn't be the cause. It would be that he would have torn the ligament again with whatever he did. However, because the bone was for whatever reason weaker than the ligament the force went to the bone. I have never seen or heard of anything like this. The only fractures from throwing I've heard of are humerus fractures where there is a tremendous amount of rotation torque. Dave Dravecky is the only thing that comes to mind.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 09:53 AM) Fair point, SS2K. Fair point. I get where you are coming from, and quite frankly, I can't answer that question, but it's a good one. But let me see to come at my point from a different angle to see if it makes more sense that way. If the Sox could add, say, 10-12K more season ticket holders, then all of a sudden - boom! No more attendance problem! We'd be averaging in the low to mid 30K range in attendance, which would be fine. How do you get those extra season ticket holders? Green seats and Mullet Night aren't getting it done. But if the Sox, say, went on a run the next five years where in three of those years they went deep into the playoffs and it was very exciting and the whole city was watching, I say they generate a new level of interest in the team that would easily translate into new ticket holders over the course of those five years. But to do so you gotta win. Win, win, win - and do so consistently. And if I'm wrong, then what you've been saying all along about the fan base would absolutely be true. But I'd like to try out this winning consistently idea before I have to agree with that conclusion. Saying "win for five years" is nearly impossible to actually accomplish. So few teams can actually pull it off, even less if you have limited resources and most importantly of all, a fanbase that will support a team when it is bad, so that resources are there when it is good. Compare the Sox to the Cubs. Because their fan base is so much bigger, if they ever do get good again, they won't have to wait years for attendance to eventually/hopefully pick back up again. They will actually be able to retain players and sustain a run. It is how the Yankees stay good every year. It is how the Dodgers can go out and spend money, even when they aren't good. The Sox just don't have that fan base. They tried to go for it after 2005, but as soon as a few clouds moved in, the non-Sox part was gone, despite a division title, and long periods of time in first place.

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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 09:26 AM) 16 year old players are going to have such little influence. Who gives a s*** where the system is ranked anyways? A lot of people do, TBH.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 09:32 AM) "Decibel level"? Oh, for heaven's sake. Stop with that. Whether I'm voicing my opinion from the ChiSox Bar and Grill (which I was at a couple of weeks ago when I was in town prior to watching Sale's outstanding start against the Padres) or from the moon is irrelevant to the discussion. As a former season ticket holder in Comiskey Parks Old and New and who still makes it to 2-3 games a year when I'm in town, I am more than qualified to speak on this subject. Fact remains the Sox have an attendance problem. It's because they don't have enough season ticket holders. They don't have enough season ticket holders because they don't win enough and get into the playoffs enough to generate the kind of interest it takes for people to justify spending money on season tickets. The Sox haven't gotten into the playoffs enough times because White Sox management simply hasn't put together teams that have managed to get the job done. I'm not saying they haven't tried, but the record of performance is what it is over the past few decades, which is not very good. And from an accountability perspective, that's not the fan's fault. That's on Sox management, and ultimately, the buck stops on Mr. Reinsdorf's desk. If it is only about "winning" why do teams with MUCH worse recent histories consistently out-draw the White Sox? Milwaukee? Colorado? San Diego? The Nats? It doesn't add up.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 09:31 AM) The question is "can we get in enough due diligence to properly assess the risk and upside?" It's much harder with younger guys than with vets, but like SS2k5 said, I'll give the Sox the benefit of the doubt here. The biggest bust so far is $10m or whatever to Viciedo, and while he's bad, he's at least a ML player. I would say we have gotten $10 million worth out of him for sure.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 09:16 AM) So you are saying the Sox are fine with 7 years declining attendance and declining viewership on television because they can make payroll? You are satisfied with the once every 5 or 6 years they make the playoffs. The fact is attendance is not where it should be, and it is not just on the White Sox, the fanbase has been ridiculous. It's one of those chicken/egg arguments, is the ridiculousness because of White Sox management or does White Sox management have to act like they are operating in KC because of the fanbase? I think it's a lot of both myself. This team should have the means to make a mockery of the ALC division. They have advantages the others do not. The White Sox are a large market team with a pretty small market mentality right now. And their fans will always find some excuse not to attend games. While they play in a big market, I'm not sure I would call the Sox a big market team. The vast majority of this market belongs to the Cubs, let's face it. With nearly 10 million (9.5 estimated) people in the whole metro area, what percentage of those people do you think are actual Sox fans? It isn't like a one team town where they can count the whole market as "fans". If you say 2/3 Cubs, 1/3 Sox, that cuts your number to about 3 million people, which is half of the Houston metro area. KC is 2.3 million metro area. Minneapolis is 3.5 million. Detroit is 3.7 million. Guess what, there is some validity in those comps. Again, I think because of 2005, some people are way overestimating the fan base. Attendance is down from the 2005 levels, but if you cut out the two big historical anomalies in the WS and the opening of the new park, attendance is at a pretty high historical level. I think there is some room to come back from what happened last year, but in general, historically if this team goes over 2 million fans, that is a pretty good number.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 09:16 AM) We've gotten a few of the "Let's do it!" posts out of the way, so let's add the harder question. You up for 6/$100? Given the Sox record with Cubans, if they spend it, I will be OK with it. they have earned the benefit of the doubt from me.

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Hopefully he paid for that seat with the Marlins paycheck.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 09:14 PM) Not insightful as much as common sense. If you fail over and over and over again to field a team that can crack the postseason in a meaningful way, then one shouldn't be surprised when fans can't be bothered to go to games. That's the way I look at it, and why I place the accountability of the chronic attendance problem primarily on ownership. You see it differently, which I respect, but it stand firmly in this point of view. Eh, I'd buy it if history didn't tell me otherwise. Even years when they have met the winning criteria, the other complaints problems pop up, such as weather, school, cost, location, transportation, who they don't like, white flag, seat color, seat location, angle of the upper deck, parking cost, the cost of beer, the cost of food, too far away from the park. The two observations I have left on this topic are -I think a lot of Sox fans were fooled by the 05/06 attendance #'s into thinking there were a lot of new fans at the ballpark. I don't think there were. I think they were fans of winning, and not the team. I think you have seen a mix of the #'s settling into the historical norms, which is why you still have seen down years, even when the team has won. Whether it was company's snapping up desirable tickets to give out, ticket-brokers, scalpers, whatever, I think a huge chunk of that number wasn't Sox fans, but opportunistic buyers. -The decibel level at which a person voices complaints about the teams attendance is usually directly related to how far away from the ballpark they live. I'm not quite sure why that is, but it sure seems to be true. The closer people live, the less they complain about it. You rarely see these things coming from someone in the city or suburbs of Chicago.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 11:28 PM) Anyone know what the consensus was that Mark Appel would sign after the 2012 draft? He was picked #8 overall by the Pirates, was/is advised by Scott Boras, and Boras got the kid to stay in college another year and it ended up earning him the #1 overall pick in 2013. I wonder if he is going to suggest the same strategy to Rodon. EDIT: Here is what Pirate's GM said after they drafted Appel in 2012..... "We're very optimistic we have a legitimate shot to sign Mark." Sounds kind of like Hahn? Boras made a comment after the deadline passed saying that the Pirates would have needed to offer their ENTIRE draft pool to sign Appel, more than double the assigned value of the 8th pick. Find me any GM who said he just drafted a guy who he didn't think he could sign with his #1 pick.

QUOTE (Tmar @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 09:06 PM) How many hits do the Sox have tonight Eleventyseven.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 08:36 PM) Close to a packed house on 4/12, and last year the Sox outdrew the 1970 Sox. You do make a compelling argument for why the Sox' attendance issues aren't as bad as they seem. Thanks for your insights! Almost as insightful as it being the owners fault that Sox fans can't be bothered to go to games for pretty much any reason except the World Series.

QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 02:54 PM) Royals fans got real excited and ready to print playoff tickets but the tigers are still winning the division . I don't think(even though they've been good lately) the royals have enough offense, don't like hosmer/butler 3-4, they need a big bat I have faith in the Royals... collapsing down the stretch just like always.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 02:50 PM) http://twins.scout.com/2/845132.html (this is from 2009) I expect both Dunn and Abreu to homer. Yohan Pino is Spanish for Dylan Axelrod. He'll give up two hits over eight innings, with no walks and eight K's.

QUOTE (robinventura23 @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 02:29 PM) Beware, someone making their major league debut tonight. Hoping to increase the win streak and start off the road trip on a high note. Too bad we don't have a Cy Young award winner pitching instead...

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QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 19, 2014 -> 01:47 PM) That's how I feel as a Bulls fan every single year.

Everytime I see a new post in this thread I click it hoping to see Rodon signed. When it isn't the latest post. It makes me sad.

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