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QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 12:00 PM) Want to know a pet-peeve of mine? When people continue calling this Obamacare...when it's absolutely nothing like what he pitched or intended. It's a X number of pages law that's filled with compromise after compromise. In the end, it's -- at best -- "Compromisecare", because calling it Obamacare is asinine. I don't think Obama is the greatest President of all time by any means (then again, who was?), but blaming him for things he didn't intend, etc...is dishonest at best. Politics 101. Its whey everything in the previous 8 years had a Bush attached to it.

It is never good when you are down 5% to To Be Named Later. I think that makes you Juan Pierre. http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 11:22 AM) Um, OK? Again, continuous swearing, personal attacks on posters or players? No problem. Being told how you're allowed to express yourself concerning player/team performance or else? That's a totally separate issue. All of those things are varying degrees of moderation happening. It really isn't a separate issue, as they all go to the overall tone that the message board in question takes. Even the WSI references are hyperbole that gets spewed everytime we try to clean things up a bit. Guess what, Soxtalk has been around almost a decade, and still is nothing like WSI.

So out of the DSL guys who have flowed into Rookie Ball, anyone stand out as being someone worth keeping an eye on?

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 11:14 AM) And to even insinuate that, that's what I want is ridiculous and insulting. These are your words

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 11:10 AM) Do you really need an extensive, detailed, book report on why JP sucks? I've done my Kalapse impression and thrown numbers out there. And other times I have fun with it. I don't see the big issue here. You guys keep saying I'm missing the point? The board owner was the one that created this thread. How else is somebody like myself supposed to view this? Maybe muzzle or gag were too strong a terms. How about greatly alter? And this what Milk is talking about. I can tell by the tone of your post that you're like really getting mad. "Do what we say or go to the ESPN board." I never said the inmates should run the asylum. That would be a great example of the hyperbole that is being talked about. NSS never said that. He said if you want an unmoderated board, go there.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 10:57 AM) But singling out a particular negative post in a thread could have that same effect. Except his post hasn't been "singled out".

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 10:49 AM) That's pretty cut and dry. Your post missed all of the discussion that has been done here.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 09:48 AM) I know in the South Loop there are parking lots that are withing walking distance ( a mile or two) from Soldier Field. I always see people park there for Bears games then walk to the game. I'm sure those are cheaper and I would bet they would be open all day, since you wanted to head into the city. I've never done it, so I don't have a specific lot or location to tell you, but that could be an option for you. That is the way to do it if you can. Heck even street parking in the south loop and taking a cab back to your car would be tons cheaper than the $51.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 10:39 AM) I was a little buzzed last night (shocking, I know), but now that I'm sober I can now kinda say my piece on this issue. Without making this a 1500 word rant or a pessimist vs optimist centric post, I think the one thing that I've definitely underestimated about the board in general is the overall sensitivity, or more specifically, over-sensitivity. When I say that, I don't mean certain posters are crybabies or get their feelings hurt easily. But when a poster(s) says that they don't want to post or can't come in here or it's just too negative for them, etc, is that my problem (using me as an example here) or theirs? That a person(s) that you've never met before in your life can have that affect on you? That seems like a separate issue in itself. There's not a poster here that will influence how often I frequent the board. If I take a month off it'll be because I just felt like taking a month off or I've been too busy or whatever. Not because a poster or a certain group 'forced' me to. What's the ignore feature for? USE IT! If it bothers you that much then you have that option. I'm only speaking for myself here. Yes, I do create hyperbolic posts at times. Yes, if we're losing 8-2 in the bottom of the 7th I'll get nasty. Yes, when the Twins run out a lineup on consecutive nights that would make Smalls, Benny, Porter, Squints and Yeah-Yeah point and laugh and you STILL lose, yes, that's not going to exactly inspire a positive vibe. When I say JP sucks, I mean he sucks as a baseball player. Not as a man, husband or father. When Alex Rios get torched? It's because his performance as a baseball player warrants it. Not because I think he rapes small bunnies. When Peavy gets critiqued, it's all baseball related. I don't and never will see a problem with that as long as you don't cross that threshold. As far as excessive cursing and personal attacks, yeah, I get that. And that's for the mods and admins to take care of. But trying muzzle or put a gag order on certain posters (and then basically saying if you don't comply, see ya!) because they express their views/opinions regarding the players/team differently from others? Only one site comes to mind. Even sober, you missed the point entirely.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 10:33 AM) And yet somehow it's a form of socialism/communism that'll destroy the private insurance industry. It's almost as if Republican rhetoric RE: Obama and the ACA is a bunch of incoherent nonsense! The insurance industry isn't what I am afraid of destroying. It will close a chunk of facilities, and overburden the system is the biggest problem I had with it.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 10:36 AM) To back him on this, that's because the data you receive is often corrupt or outright falsified, however legally. How? I'm glad you ask! For a good example of how they do this, look at the "murder" rate in Chicago dropping rather precipitously over the last few years. They could do this in two ways: 1) The way they're doing it, by legally corrupting the data. 2) The way they're NOT doing it, which is actually lowering the murder rate. If they don't call the death a homicide, it's NOT counted as a murder...even if it was. Legally, they could call it a number of things, which is what they've been doing. Oh, and if you believe they wouldn't do such a thing, I have some oceanfront property to sell you...in Chicago. A good example to this is the controversy of racial data being reported of traffic stops in one of the burbs (I can't remember which one, but it was in the Trib a while back) being outright lies.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 10:24 AM) More foolishness right there...and a massive wad of assumptions that they can't save money elsewhere. Stop leaning on a single tax deduction when they will find 50 others to replace it. Oh, and stop pretending corporations are trying to "screw the government", because that's completely dumb, they'd do it to SAVE f***ING MONEY, not to screw the government. Bottom line.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 10:30 AM) I can tell you this... Since the reform, health insurance companies are making more money than ever before. All it did for them was guarantee more paying customers. It never addressed any of the real problems.

f*** the Cubs... Oops, I mean Nationals.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 10:10 AM) He's not really striking out people too much and his HR/FB is really low. Hopefully we can make some decent contact off of him as we do have guys who can drive the ball out of the park. Admittedly I haven't seen him pitch at all this year so this'll be a first. But at any rate EJax had better show up because we may not get a ton of runs off of him. Sounds a lot like Humber.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 10:17 AM) Y2HH, if it was as simple as "if they save a lot of money, they will cut insurance benefits", then companies would have dropped this en masse a long time ago. The rates were increasing so much more than inflation, even before the health care legislation was passed. So not, its not at all that simple. Its more like "if it makes business sense", or if "they can't afford it anymore", then they may drop it. Insurance is a benefit, its ALWAYS an added cost, so they have to look at the full compensation package and decide if they are competitive enough. The problem was there was no alternative to dump them on. Just like social security took the place of pensions, now this exchange will be the dumping place for insurance. The scenario where a company is paying the increases in the costs of insurance looks at their employees and tells them they can either go get government insurance, or get shutdown, doesn't seem that implausible to me. Companies have done the same things over unionization and sales tax very recently. If there now exists a cheaper business alternative, which will probably also be cheaper to the consumer, to push employees into, companies are going to do it. History is on my side here.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 10:16 AM) Oh I know it probably won't. But we've got this bizarre claim by Republicans that employers are going to drop insurance!!!! because Obamacare is going to work so well for providing cheap insurance options, therefore we need to repeal Obamacare?!! Zuh? I think the most bizarre part of this argument is the people who are usually claiming how evil and greedy corporations are, are now banking on the fact that the same corporations won't be making business based decisions, when history shows they did exactly that with the pension plans over the 20th century.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 10:14 AM) It won't do that...opening up Medicare to everyone would have but that's Socialism. What it will do is at least make individual plans somewhat closer to competitive by effectively taking all the individuals and turning them into a group themselves. You mean the medicare system that less and less medical facilities are even willing to accept? We would just move into an insurance program that less and less providers would accept?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 09:52 AM) I was more thinking of merging all "dunn sucks!" threads into one thread. Usually we do. Honestly, it never deters the next person who thinks their spin on Juan Pierre sucking is completely new and uncharted territory.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 09:45 AM) But he was 20. And Real Madrid is considered the best basketball team in the world outside the United States (and I guess Canada, although that could be debated). Look at those percentages though, he has a great shot and is only really coming into his own. This year, I am sure he will be moved into the starting line-up and become the star you want him to be. My overall point is the Bulls won 62 games last year despite injuries and they weren't going their championship-caliber 2-guard in the draft, so they had to take the best player available. And he is that exactly. Once he comes over here, he will much more physically mature and probably ready to make a 20-minute impact in the NBA right away. And he will also be coming in at a time when we are in all reality going to be losing some really good players to the salary cap.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 09:19 AM) I think you are being a bit defensive here. The lollipops and gumdrops posters get mocked and laughed at just as much or more as some of the negative nancy guys. I think guys like you, that usually take a pessimistic approach, but do so in an intelligent manner and seem to have some sense of reasonable and rational thoughts in your mind, are respected, even though you do take a bit of s***. But you've got to expect that, given the fact that you are on a White Sox fan forum and where you're coming from most of the time with your opinions. I can't tell you how many times I have been mentioned, by name.

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 09:17 AM) This is all really fairly simply and being read way too far in to it seems. Could have been left at Jason's post. I thought so too. Look the idea is that it has gotten bad here. When looking at the numbers, Soxtalk's post totals have fallen way off. Looking down the list of people in the top 10/50/100 posters who don't show up anymore is stark. The one thing that is repeated over, and over, and over again by people is that they are sick of the tone here. Its not the arguments, but the way that arguments are made. You couldn't disagree with anything without being shouted down. That has led to a pretty significant migration, to where the biggest group of people left on the board are fairly negative, and seem respond mostly to the negative situations. The reality is that most people want to celebrate and look forward to the positive things about baseball. That is why most people watch it. Well now we are taking Soxtalk back for that silent majority. The whole idea is that the vast majority of people want to have somewhere to go to talk about their team and enjoy it. Why would you you want to go somewhere that made you feel worse than before you got here? It makes no sense to me. Hell it wouldn't have been so bad if it were even kept into a thread or two, but instead of just being game threads, like it started out years ago, it spilled into the other threads. The crap just spread like a virus throughout the whole board. Even the topics that have nothing to do with the Sox are filled with ridiculous statements of no substance or intelligence. Pick up the game here Soxtalk. You can be upset with the team, and still make intelligent posts. I have seen the names of people who do it a lot. I know the want now is for "specific examples" so that it can be pushed right up to the ledge, and then answered with "well I didn't do exactly that". This is going to be vague, because you can't project exactly what hyperbole isn't an exact science. If that is too vague, well sorry. Any changes in people's posting status's will come from a long discussion amongst mods and admins here. Believe me when I say it will be a process. It isn't going to be Jason, or anyone else, just banning people. Pretty much all of the staff hates doing, but we hate being put in a position to take action on someone even more.

QUOTE (robinventura23 @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 09:05 AM) I agree with this, a lot of negativity. This used to be a place to get info and latest news and discussions on upcoming games. But is it still ok for me to criticize Alex Rios? Do I need to back up my statements with research or is hitting under .220 through June on a $12.5MIL salary sufficient enough? Criticizing players is going to be OK, like it always has. Things like "Alex Rios is a lazy mfer who only cares about his money." are more what is the problem here.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 07:49 AM) I think the Bulls are 100% considering this a long-term asset, along with the Charlotte Pick. They know they need roster spots right now and they need trade assets, and they have both. If he comes over in a couple years and the Bulls are still holding his rights, fine, but for pick 28 and a 2nd rounder, that fills a need for the Bulls. The Bulls are playing this very smartly. They know this new cap could kick their faces in within a few years, as some of the kids start to land their big deals. Even with being projected to be in the 25 to 30 drafting range for the foreseeable future, they have set themselves up to have a couple of lottery type draft picks coming to them. That is some New England Patriots type work right there.