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QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 22, 2010 -> 09:15 AM) You say this as though we do nothing right now. We've got a number of security procedures and precautions in place to prevent an attack. Nothing is going to guarantee safety, so there's a tipping point somewhere, and I'm arguing we've reached it. A seven year old boy getting strip searched in front of hundreds of people JUST TO GET ON A f***ING PLANE. That's ridiculous. No disrespect to the families of 9/11, but I'll take the one in however many million chance of a plane blowing up because a terrorist gets through with some homemade devise than subject our entire country to an SS-level security process. And I know the response will be "well thanks for choosing that for me." But I just don't get how we've gotten to the point where in air-travel ANY measure of security is ok and necessary, but there's not a demand to protect buildings or whatever to the same degree. There's been one Oklahoma City bombing. There's been one 9/11. One has reasonable security, the other has gotten out of control. “Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” - Benjamin Franklin To me the line isn't some random compilation of odds and statistics. The line is where it is legally. If you cross the line legally, that is where I stop. It is disrespectful to the value of people's lives to draw some arbitrary line based on what we do already. That is the exact backwards thinking that allows a 9-11 to happen.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Nov 21, 2010 -> 11:34 PM) Offering Putz arbitration has no downside. It's definitely going to happen. Konerko is pretty much in the same boat. AJ is a good shot as well, especially after Buck received a 3yr/16 million contract. I don't see much downside in having 1 more year of AJ at market value or receiving draft picks if he declines. I can't see us not offering JJ arbit.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 22, 2010 -> 05:37 AM) If Maggs didn't get hurt and the Sox won a championship with him, I'm sure everyone would be happy they didn't trade him for prospects 2 years before he became a free agent and just kept him. No one is complaining they didn't trade Konerko. If the Sox didn't take him all the way to the end of his contract in 2005, the possibility of no WS championship is pretty strong. The Sox let their best offensive player leave, and they still won a title without him. That isn't an "if". He wasn't there in 2005. He left after 2004. Even the post injury 2005 numbers he put up were the worse of any year he has had all of the way back to his second year in the league. Even his most recent years weren't as bad as his 2005 with Detroit.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 22, 2010 -> 05:09 AM) And guys like Jeff Marquez and Tyler Flowers are, not to mention the year or 2 you don't have Danks' services? The irony is that John Danks is the best argument for the Sox scouting other teams talent.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Nov 21, 2010 -> 09:34 PM) Sounds like Taylor Martinez might have quit Nebraska. COME TO IOWA STATE --- All I saw was the end of Nebraska-aTm. The Aggie War Hymn looks cool as f***. Also hoping NIU can keep winning, they seemed like a class act in Ames. Also, we may very well be a destination for Martinez, if he did quit, as his dad played at ISU, and he was an ISU fan growing up - wanted an offer from us, but we didn't do so since he can't throw (still can't). After watching Pellini scream at him post injury, I know I wouldn't stick around.

Delayed? You'd better hope it isn't canceled.

Bring your kayak

YASNY is my favorite poster that starts with Y

Watch you mouth!

QUOTE (3E8 @ Nov 21, 2010 -> 07:43 PM) I would not give Putz $15M guaranteed. He's 34 and hit the DL 4 times in the past 3 years. If we didn't already have three power arms in the pen, it might be a different story. But given current circumstances, I'll take the draft pick. That could be the one thing that keeps his price down enough for us to retain himm.

U betta watch yo mouf foo

Shaft didn't have any problems in K

Quit thinking logically.

Off with their erasers!

Kindergarten is an evil German plot.

I can't believe you would lie to me.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 21, 2010 -> 06:08 PM) That you will also receive way before you get the draft picks who are almost certainly far more seasoned (and thus, far less likely to bust) than 2 draft picks. Legitimately, if Danks isn't interested in signing an extension, you should trade him. I would say you look for an outfielder with power, a pitcher, and then one additional player, be it a toolsy hitter or an arm that needs harnessing. You could potentially look for a catcher too, but it would have to be a damn good catching prospect. That is the other part that scares me about letting someone walkaway and depending on the draft. We seem to scout other systems better than we scout draft picks in the 20's or higher. I'd also view it as playing to our strengths. If we had a history of draft and development that would be one thing, but we don't really. It has gotten better, but still not enough to bet a John Danks on.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 21, 2010 -> 06:06 PM) I agree. Danks is a unique case under the KW regime. We've never really had a player that I can remember that was as young, good, with potential upside as Danks just a couple years from FA. KW cannot f*** this up. Either get an extension done or pull in a nice haul. I'm sure that's easier said than done. But that's why he's the GM. Not as a pitcher anyway. We blew it with Maggs and ended up losing him for nothing. Buehrle we ended up extending a couple of times. I can't think of anyone else close.

Good god man, move east.

Even at this late hour?

Another goulash dinner?

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 21, 2010 -> 05:15 PM) I admire your persistence. But I don't think you get it. Nobody really wants to trade Danks. But if he's determined to test the FA market, there's really no other alternative. We will NEVER be able to outbid either NY team or Boston. And you can bet those 3 teams will be lining up to sign him come offseason '12. And you can also bet that teams will line up with guys that will be worth more than two first round draft picks to get two years of Danks (at least).

Yucky

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 21, 2010 -> 04:56 PM) Which is of course, the whole point. Doesn't matter how stupid the things he write are, they can't afford to replace him. He scratches people's backs. I wonder if he texts pictures to Ozzie like Cowley does?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 21, 2010 -> 04:27 PM) Whatever the causes may be, what separates Danks from others is Danks' "long" stretches of mediocrity. Every pitcher gets blown up from time to time, but most great pitchers will go through very good stretches of like 7-10 starts at a time at some point during the season. Danks hasn't been able to string them together over that long of a period of time. Danks actually only had 2 months last year with an ERA below 4. It's a rather pointless statistic providing the interpreter with meaningless cutoff dates, but it does help illustrate that Danks tends to be mediocre for stretches at a time. He also has a tendency to be blown up - he had 7 starts where he gave up 5 ER or more (and 2 where he gave up 8 ER). If he cuts the amount of runs in half of 2 of those starts, and ultimately ends up pitching an additional inning in both starts due to a smaller pitch count, his ERA ends up closer to 3.50 than 3.75, and it can get a hell of a lot lower from there. Great starters string the great performances together and follow them up with small chunks of mediocrity; Danks strings together "mediocre" (again, using the word in a relative sense) followed by small chunks of excellence. Danks really doesn't seem to have great stuff either. Solid fastball, good cutter for movement, change up for the change of pace, and then a show me curveball (that should be better)...he doesn't have the ridiculous movement that Felix gets, nor the velocity of Sabathia or Liriano, nor the control of Lee. I think there are physical limitations holding him back from being an ace, and quite frankly, there's not a whole lot he can do about that. Good post. I'm glad I am not the only one who feels that Danks is just missing that little something. Don't get me wrong he is a great pitcher when he is on, but the margin of error for him is so thin, that when he isn't on, it isn't pretty.