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QUOTE(DrunkBomber @ Nov 8, 2005 -> 12:45 AM) Ill want the next one just as much as this one but it wont mean as much to me, Im pretty sure everyone knows what I mean I bet you'd be saying different if they win another one next season...

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Nov 8, 2005 -> 01:28 AM) I don't even care about going undefeated in the regular season. I want to go undefeated in the playoffs. Sorry to break it to you but the Sox did lose 1 against the Angels...

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Nov 8, 2005 -> 01:17 AM) Well Owens to KC won't happen. But Snoop was cut either last year or 2 years back. He was pretty injury prone. Or was that Sylvester Morris, I get them both mixed up. I know one of them went to Tampa Bay but nothing ever happened. Well, neither of them are currently on the Buccaneers roster so....yeah. I remember Minnis back at FSU thinking he would be something special. He reminded me a lot of Peter Warrick and still does. Great college WR but nothing in the Bigs. He was on the Dolphins last year and did squat. UPDATE: Snoop Minnis was signed by the Toronto Argonauts on May 30th 2005 but was cut June 7th. Ha......haha. Other notables formerly on the Argonauts....Andre Rison (cut Aug 26th) and great former Bear DE....THE Karon Riley (signed Oct 12th) Ahhh, Canadian football.

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Nov 8, 2005 -> 01:11 AM) Send him to KC, we could use a receiver. lol only if that'd happen. You should know this since you are a Chiefs fan but what the heck happened to Snoop Minnis? I thought he'd be a great WR one day.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Nov 8, 2005 -> 01:10 AM) "Great shift today guys!" "Can you sign this melon for me? ..... Yes! Thats awesome!" "Can you sign this loaf of bread for my brother? He loves you." Awesome f***ing commercial!

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 8, 2005 -> 01:02 AM) When comparing receivers, are we talking who is more talented, or who is the better producer? If we're talking talented...that's easy as hell. Moss is a 6'4 giant with a huge vertical and like 4.15 speed to go along with pretty good hands. That's as talented as a receiver gets. Being that long and skinny has its downfalls too...due to it, he's more injury prone than Owens is. That's going to hurt his numbers long term. Production wise...the numbers speak for themselves. Owens is much better than Moss. One thing to be considered...Moss has had, IIRC, Cunningham, George, Culpepper, and Collins as his QBs. Owens has had Garcia and McNabb. Maybe it's just me, but I think I'm going to give the nod for starting QBs behind the receivers to Moss...making his lesser recent career numbers compared to Owens even worse. Considering everything on the field wise...give me Owens any day of the week. Thats a great interpretation but I said Moss is best considering the following aspects: Talent Numbers Off-Field Crap

I just got this "crazy" idea of having sig/wallpaper contests here for the SoxTalk graphic designers. That would be pretty cool. Kinda like WCR but instead of having judges, we have a poll. Heres how it would work: 1 person makes a sig/wallpaper challenge another person accepts duel random person chooses main pic for sig/wallpaper each is given 1 week to complete sig/wall once both are turned in, a poll is made Something along those lines. Thoughts? Opinions?

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Nov 8, 2005 -> 12:52 AM) How about you lose a game Colts. Titans maybe???? haha. Haha. The Titans only have one of the worst defenses in the league. 231 points against the Colts offense....ouch!

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Nov 8, 2005 -> 12:53 AM) Moss not catching anything his way. Also, guys, keep this civil so we don't have to close this. Oh, maybe my opinions would change if I saw the game. Either way this is a friendly debate. Excellent topic.

BTW, there is no definite right or wrong, no matter how many people disagree on the issue. I'm backing up my opinion becuase I feel Moss is a better overall receiver than TO.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 8, 2005 -> 12:49 AM) Backtracking. Would you like a cookie?

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 8, 2005 -> 12:47 AM) I challenge you to explain why you are right about this and we are all wrong, even when the stats show that TO is more productive than Moss. That is just how I feel. When I put it all together, I feel Moss is better than TO.

Does anyone really think that Oakland is the best situation for Moss anyway? Switch the 2, and I can almost guarantee McNabb/Moss would be better than McNabb and TO. In my eyes, Moss is the better Wr. Thats just my opinion.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Nov 8, 2005 -> 12:43 AM) Question for Soxfan1, if Moss is so good, and the Raiders are developing a running game, why do Jordan and Porter have almost 40 receptions each, and Moss only 26. Yeah Moss has had a hamstring injury, but he hasn't done much in Oakland so far. I challenge anyone in the best condition to try to play any sport, let alone football, with a hamstring injury. They dont go away. Now, I am not saying that his injury has caused lack of production but it sure as hell helps.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Nov 8, 2005 -> 12:43 AM) Per season. Uuuum, that isn't much of a difference at all. Take out Moss' worst game and TO's best game and compare. Need I go into the receivers each has played with since 2000 as well?

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Nov 8, 2005 -> 12:41 AM) SF, did you watch yesterday's game? Nope, sure didnt. What did I miss?

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 8, 2005 -> 12:38 AM) Moss was really putting up better numbers than TO this year too, just to prove that you're right. :rolly QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Nov 8, 2005 -> 12:32 AM) Uuuum, what have we heard from Moss AT ALL this season off the field? Nada. And you can't say one is better because his team is better. Uuum, look at what Moss has compared to TO. Yeah. I mean stat wise, Moss is only tops in the league in yards per catch at 20.8! And receptions/rec. yards can't be factored in because the Eagles are a pass team and the Raiders are developing a run game with LaMont Jordan. BTW, Moss has more support in his WR group. I mean all they have is Jerry Porter, Randy Moss, and Doug Gabriel to spread the ball out to. Not to mention a developing young star TE in Courtney Anderson. Eagles pass to To and Westbrook...thats it. Oakland spreads the ball around more. Moss > TO. Sorry. EDIT: No point in fighting. Agree to disagree and thats it.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 8, 2005 -> 12:36 AM) He must have failed math class. Hmmmm. :headshake

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Nov 8, 2005 -> 12:34 AM) If 0.776470588 is 1/10 than ya sure... TO TD/gm - Moss TD/gm = 0.11029412 which is approximately 1/10.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 8, 2005 -> 12:34 AM) No thanks. You're wrong. WTF man. Do you have to be a ass about it? I think you're wrong, you think I'm wrong. Calm down. BTW, I'm right.

Holy s***. Reminds me of the movie Rebound.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Nov 8, 2005 -> 12:30 AM) T.O.>Moss IMO Owens Moss YPG 90.35 81.85882353 TD/G 0.8875 0.776470588 Numbers from 2000-current Are those the numbers you are basing your opinion off of? 9 yards and 1/10 of a TD a game?

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 8, 2005 -> 12:24 AM) Uuuum, no. I disagree. TO is better than Moss. TO may be a jackass but he doesn't take plays off when he is actually playing. He also knows how to block while Moss is clueless in that department. What has Moss done this season to show that he's a better receiver than TO? And how do you factor in off-field issues when deciding on who is a better receiver? Uuuum, what have we heard from Moss AT ALL this season off the field? Nada. And you can't say one is better because his team is better. Uuum, look at what Moss has compared to TO. Yeah. I mean stat wise, Moss is only tops in the league in yards per catch at 20.8! And receptions/rec. yards can't be factored in because the Eagles are a pass team and the Raiders are developing a run game with LaMont Jordan. BTW, Moss has more support in his WR group. I mean all they have is Jerry Porter, Randy Moss, and Doug Gabriel to spread the ball out to. Not to mention a developing young star TE in Courtney Anderson. Eagles pass to To and Westbrook...thats it. Oakland spreads the ball around more. Moss > TO. Sorry. EDIT: No point in fighting. Agree to disagree and thats it.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Nov 8, 2005 -> 12:23 AM) #4 in yards. Damn that sucky-ass defense!