FlaSoxxJim

QUOTE(Mercy! @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 02:12 AM) Jim - I'm having trouble following the conversation. To what site or previous discussion or whatever do your references to Singer and Spencer pertain? The search function here is disabled right now. Thanks. My rant above was in response to Kong dismissing the 'friggin bloggers' at RealClimate and elsewhere. All due respect to Kong as a poster I enjoy here, but the pervasive attitude that those of us concerned with anthropogenic climate change are being alarmists or Chicken Littles is by now tedious. The Singer note is my cutting to the chase on where the climate change naysayers are going with this. They exploit the cautionary nature of science itself, the concession that "there is no way to prove that [insert hurricane here] either was, or was not, affected by global warming," much as Big Tobacco relied on the fact that no single incidence of cancer or emphesyma (sp?) could be absolutely linked to smoking. The fact that Singer was a primary mouthpiece for Big Tobacco and is currently pimping himself as a tool of the no warming camp is, to me, quite telling. The Spencer note is me giving voice to my exasperation over the fact that THE sole credible source of data suggesting a lack of upper atmosphere warming has been turned on his ear and this is not a major news story. The same issue of Science from two weeks ago had another paper that similarly exposed flaws in the weather ballon-based measurement evidence for a lack of atmospheric warming (the correction factors the original scientists used were wrong and hence real atmospheric temperature increases were systematically underestimated). Human-induced global climate impacts are systemic and syndromic, and that is a fact that will continue to be fully exploited by those who think confronting the issues is not in our best economic interests. Any single climatological anomally can be held up by the naysayers who will tell you you can't be sure climate change played a role. What they refuse to do is to examine the entire body of evidence and compare what is happening now to any other slice of time in the historic or geological past. It's Tobacco Wars all over again, but with much higher stakes. It should have registered in the public consciousness that the landscape changed dramatically when both Exxon and GE publically launched campaigns to develop technologies to deal with climate change in May. BP and Shell execs had by then already conceded that the real question was not IF? but HOW MUCH and HOW BAD? But Exxon (which has exposed as being secretly instrumental in getting Bush to not sign on to Kyoto) never backed away from their stance that climate change was a myth. For 15 years Exxon has been at the helm of the campaign trashing sound science in favor of their well funded junk science bio-prostitutes who have persuaded the public and the press that the cerdict is still out on global warming. Add people like Don Pearlman and former chief of staff for the White House Council on Environmental Quality Philip Cooney who made changes to descriptions of climate research results (lessening their perceived impacts) that had already been approved by government scientists and their supervisors, and you can see what a well orchestrated, well-heeled dis-information campaign the no warming contingent has put together.

QUOTE(hi8is @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 11:02 PM) the sky is falling, the world is going to end. there are hurricanes all over, the wars in holy cities in the east are being faught, we lost tonight. the world is going to end. i hate my life, everything sucks, im gonna go kill everyone. the world is gonna end. whaaa whaaa whaaa there is no tomarrow i will die in my sleep tonight no one loves me my favriote baseball team is NO GOOD AT ALL there is no way for us to hold our ground wha wha whaaaaaa i hate everything and everyone ok end of public service anouncement My Head Hurts, My Feet Stink, And I Don't Love Jesus. (cool points up for grabs)

QUOTE(DonkeyKongerko @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 09:09 PM) I'm not convinced by that either and I ain't gonna be by another frickin blog. Smoke up, those cigarettes are good for you. Fact: S. Fred Singer, a "space scientist," who got his Ph.D. in 1948 (when we knew sooo darn much about space), is one of the leading climate change naysayers. He has the letters behind his name so people think he must have something important to say. Above and beyond the fact that his efforts have been funded by Big Energy is the interesting 'coincidence' that the man was also one of the leading Big Tobacco defenders (paid handsomely by Big Tobacco of course), using the so-called 'uncertainty of statistics' to fight the wrongful death and injury suits brought against them. The man is living proof that you can indeed sell your soul twice. Fact: Roy Spencer of University of Alabama and NASA/Marshall is a bright guy and a respected scientist, and the climate change naysayers were perhaps correct in latching onto his troposphere temperature measurement data as the last credible evidence that there is no warming of the upper atmosphere. But a pair of landmark papers published two weeks ago in Science indicate that Spencer's analysis - and hence the entire arsenal of ammo he gave the naysayers - was fatally flawed. Turns out temperature measurements that he thought were being taken in the early afternoon were actually being taken in the evening. Hmmm, do you think this might have obscured real evidence of warming in the upper atmosphere?? You're damn right it did. he also f***ed up teh algebra in his original papers, but the authors of the refuting papers were kind enough to communicate that to him personally rather than publishing it for everyone to see. Sure, people can do all the statistical sleight of hand with anthropogenic climate change that they did with tobacco -- no single death can be unwquivocally traced to cigarettes, and no single climatological anomally can be pinned to climate change. And if those fact-twisters sitting in the pockets of Big Tobacco and Big Energy are going to be your champions, then smoke 'em if you got 'em and smile while the world belches another 25 billion metric tons of greenhouse gases into the system this year. Scientists are finding evidence of pollution-induced environmental degradation in cores taken from polar ice that no human has ever visited. Reduced atmospereic pH (recall COv2 is acidic) has actually shifted the carbonate chemistry equilibrium state in tropical oceans such that it is approaching the point of energetic impossibility for living coral reefs to continue to lay down carbonate skeletons. The current majority opinion is that one of the largest and most valuable biological systems on the planet, the Great Barrier Reef, will essentially crash by 2050 because of human-induced climate change. But, by all means, get indignant at the bloggers who thought you should know what's going on. :rolly

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 07:59 PM) France was the frontrunner in not supporting the Iraqi conflict. Viva La France!

Happy Happy Reddy!

QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 02:33 PM) Sometimes I want to prescribe this board lithium. Make mine a double!

QUOTE(SnB @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 02:38 PM) this is the f***ing thread of SOXTALK. this is the pinnacle of 2 years of wasting time Making it the ultimate waste of time of all!!! Er.. I mean, uhm...

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 01:33 PM) And by a strange coincidence, 15 minutes of action would be more than Flaxx has seen in 10 to 20 years. ZING!! Shut up, that's why.

Suggesting that he may have known for some time that quarterly numbers were going to be off. At least there is the perception it's possible. It's harder to sell the 'he didn't want any appearance of impropriety (sp?)' line when he authorized the sale of all of his wife and childrens' shares as well as his own. Don't get me wrong. There are plenty of good, non-insider deal reasons for selling off stock in a family business. Fritz Maytag (of Maytag washing machine family fame) comes to mind, of course. :drink (And only Gleason will get that oblique reference.)

QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 01:10 PM) Despite how badly we executed in New Orleans, I have no doubt that the nest one will be better, and the one after that even better. Damn, man. How many times do you want New Orleans to be hit?!?

QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 01:07 PM) I haven't seen Jim Cantori yet, so I guess we're going to be fine. Good Old Jim "Hunker Down" Cantori – yep, when he shows up in your neighborhood it's time to move. he did several Florida Francis broadcasts at a gas station corner about two miles from our house at the time (just recently moved a few miles away). So, before Jeanne came to get us 3 weeks later, the gas station owners gou up on the roof and painted "Welcome Back Jim!" in huge letters.

QUOTE(SnB @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 01:09 PM) in fact, i'm chewing a big wad right now MUST. . . RESIST. . . TASTELESS JOKE. . .

QUOTE(hi8is @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 01:02 PM) i chew when im at work, and id have to baisedly say, it allows me to focus and get in a zone but yeah kids, the stuff is not good and I WISH I COULD QUIT BUT I CANT so please please please, for the good of your self, dont ever even consider trying it. i tried it once and couldnt stop when i wanted to I tried it once as a kid and puked like I'd never puked before. Never tried it again. Then again, if Joe f***ing Crede does it. . . [/sucker for peer pressure]

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 12:53 PM) Just for the record, when going strickly by sexiness Widger >> AJ. Take a cold shower, Bro.

QUOTE(skidoochic @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 12:52 PM) Can I join or do you not allow chicks? See my post above. So, How'you doin'? B)

QUOTE(mreye @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 12:42 PM) Blind trusts are used to avoid conflicts of interest. Assets are turned over to a trustee who manages them without divulging any purchases or sales and reports only the total value and income earned to the owner. To keep the trust blind, Frist was not allowed to know how much HCA stock he owned, Call said, but he was allowed to ask for all of it to be sold. And that probably works just swell – IF YOUR FAMILY DOESN'T OWN THE COMPANY! The timing of the sale, two weeks before the shares tumbled, is suspicious. None of the blind trust provisions cited above do anything to assure that priveleged information was not used in the decision to sell off all his shares when hhe did.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 12:09 PM) http://booneb****.ytmnd.com/ Alright, who here did that ManDog?!? Brilliant!

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 12:40 PM) I would like to point out that im already riding shotgun, and I called no challenge. Just cozy up. Me? I'm way in the back, guarding the keg and waiting for all the fine wiminz to show up.

Sounds more like a Rally Martha. Maybe he'll be looking at monkeybars in a little while?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 12:15 PM) He was short and quick and got the head out . . . Must. . . resist . . tasteless joke . . .

Heard that on NPR yesterday, but with the strange board obsession with monkeys yesterday I forgot to post it. I just went to the Holocaust Museum in Naples, FL, last week (an informative but thoroughly gut wrenching experience) and they had a big chunk of stuff on Wiesenthal. A lot of stuff I never knew before.

QUOTE(103 mph screwball @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 11:43 AM) For you kids out there, tobacco is addictive. Don't start. It causes cancer. Seriously. "Avoid the clap." --Jimmy Dugan

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 11:41 AM) Gospil proof? Is that how I treated it? "Gospil"? If I said I was impressed by anybody's spelling here (including my own). . . well, I'd be lieing.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 11:33 AM) Bull. The liberal media has been in existance all of my adult life. Only recently have the opposing viewpoint been available. Folks have been swearing up and down they've seen Bigfoot for just as long.

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Sep 21, 2005 -> 11:26 AM) I'm dumb http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...hl=o'reilly A previous thread where O'Reilly and Coulter admit within a day of each other that the media is not generally controlled by the left. Thanks Kip. I knew this had been posted here before, but Kap made me afraid to try searching for it since it might bring the place crashing down!