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Nuke, your initial post suggested Meyers was 'about to get kicked off,' and he may well believe that but it doesn't make it true. From the NYT piece, noting that th call for a hearing on this came from an Oregon Chapter member: It DOES sound like they're having problems, but even the bastion of free speech is going to have governance issues.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Jan 21, 2005 -> 08:34 PM) Here's the NYT article on this. Unless the article is completely wrong, or something dramatic happened today that hasn't hit the news, you're totally misrepresenting this. I can't imagine why... Because of the O'Reilly "No Spin Zone" reality distortion field I assume.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Jan 21, 2005 -> 08:19 PM) This is sooooooooooo priceless. I'm watching the O'reilly factor right now and ACLU board member Michael Meyers ( a 23 year ACLU veteran ) is on the air right now saying that he's about to be kicked off the board of that organization because he does not agree with several of the organization's positions on various issues, not the least of which, is litigation involving religous expression. This one speaks for itself. Just more proof that you can say whatever you want around the left, just so long as you agree with them. It will be interesting to see what happens there. But, coming from the 2004 Misinformer of the Year, there is probably more (or less) to this story that didn't come out on the show. Maybe he originally read about this story in the "Paris Business Review"... you know, the news source O'Reilly MADE UP as a source for his MADE UP numbers on the billions of dollars the US boycott was costing France.

QUOTE(winodj @ Jan 21, 2005 -> 06:01 PM) It's actually quite good. And good for you too. * Paid for by the Horses are Food Institute, NJ.

I'm not a big fan of the man, but that is still pretty cool for a political junkie like yourself to be a part of that. If I was there I would have been on the other side of the barracades carrying a sign and shouting of course.

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Jan 21, 2005 -> 05:40 PM) Cuz you know when I think of cartoon characters that promote sexuality, I think of asexual sponges. Yeah, as far as I know, the only sponge that ever got any real action was the Today Sponge®.

Then there's this little gem, which comes complete with a huge WARNING NOT TO BE OPENED if you're easily offended and not a little disturbed already. It's a fine art piece called "F**k Grimace" that I see is available for purchase for $6 million according to the artist if anybody is interested.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 21, 2005 -> 01:32 PM) THIS THREAD CANNOT DIE!!! Well then, let's consider the art-aesthetic value of the McDonaldland denizens. "Grimace" (2002), depicted here, was created by Jake and Dinos Chapman and is currently on exhibit at the Museum Kunst in Düsseldorf. Discuss, please.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Jan 21, 2005 -> 04:02 PM) See, now you messed up my plans again. At first I thought I could just go to limbo. That's so Catholic, I figured I'd be okay there. But w/ all the priests trying to get into limbo, that won't be any more pleasant. Crap, maybe I should just sell my soul now and at least get a donut out of it. "Mmmmm... Forbidden Donut..." "...But I'm so moist and delicious...!"

Actually here's a link to a more complete piece from ABCnews, with some of the sea-level reduction/carbon dioxide release/oxygen reduction hypothetical scenario spelled out a little better: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=431119 I really like the last part of the excerpt below about absence and evidence. It gets to the heart of the problem regarding the Creation "Science" argument that an incomplete fossil record is sound evidence against biological evolution. The lack of evidence of an iridium layer at the P-T boundary like the one at the K-T doesn't mean an impact event didn't play a part here. Even at the K-T, the layer is only 3 microns (3 millionths of a meter!) thick, so finding iridium traces in 250 million year old strata would make finding a needle in a haystack look easy by comparison.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jan 21, 2005 -> 03:25 PM) Jim lives in FLA, if they don't serve it at the buffett, he don't eat it. Oh crap, that reminds me... It's 3:30, time for a late dinner.

QUOTE(winodj @ Jan 21, 2005 -> 03:15 PM) My Grandmother used to make it alot. It was my dad's favorite. I always preferred when she made horse. Hopefully you're referring to heroin. I'm quite sure I've eaten horse at many fine street corner vendor stands. But that's why I always get the "beef". I hear the "chicken" is really rat.

QUOTE(winodj @ Jan 21, 2005 -> 02:59 PM) Rabbit isn't that tasty. ".....ESPECIALLY Rabbit!!!"

Now that's a slick T-shirt.

I appreciate SB's sentiments on a very personal level, while at the same time respecting the right of everyone to worship (or not) as they see fit. Very simply, for those of us who don't take much stock in the eternal reward system, the Divine carrot-and-stick doesn't hold any fear or promise. If this is all there is, why not strive to make it the best here and now we can? SB's logical contention is that world leaders with such a mindset should be the ones that are most effective at working to better things here for the living. Of course, sound logic doesn't take into account that humans are a very spiritual and.or superstitious lot (depending on your point of view) and on the whol have yet to warm up to secular humanuism as a valid world view.

So... I get credit for the assist on that, right?

QUOTE(mreye @ Jan 21, 2005 -> 02:17 PM) "theorizing" makes it true, right? Just like the theory of evolution and the theory about global warming. I agree, I would rather see this labeled as hypothesis or conjecture, as elevation to the status of a theory is actually pretty lofty and pretty good scientific vindication. Much like in the case of the ever more coroborated THEORY OF EVOLUTION.

The article has some good information, but leaves out one very important thing -- they're NOT talking about the mass extinction that did in the dinosaurs! The mass extinction event at the K-T boundary, 65 mya (million years ago) is the one that killed off the dinosaurs. "The geat dying" refers to the Permian extinction event much more extensive and protracted than the K-T event, and occurring 250 mya. volcanism, volcanism induced by asteroid impact, glaciation, and sea level change have long been the competing theories to explain both of these events. When my copy of Science gets here next Tuesday I'll have a better idea of what I think. As regards asteroid impact and the K-T event, the nearly worldwide iridium dust layer in te geological record at the time of the event strongly suggests asteroid impact played a part. Iridium is exceedingly rare in the earth's crust, but can be hundreds of thousands of times more abundant in asteroids and comets. Whether the impact(s) was/were the sole cause, a catylist for massive volcanic events (not a well-defined mechanism for that yet as far as I know), or just the straw that broke the camel's back (ie, a final assault on an already ecologically stressed fauna) is still a subject for debate.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Jan 21, 2005 -> 01:49 PM) If that's the role that Catholics play in heaven, I'm glad I haven't been very good in my life. Still, as FZ once observed, kneeling down is better than bending over. Of course that was originally meant in a figurative sense, as it preceded the various church sex scandals by some 20 years.

QUOTE(mreye @ Jan 21, 2005 -> 01:47 PM) Yep, I'm converting right now. Best arguement I've ever heard. :rolly I don't think you can 'convert' to atheism technically... "nonvert" maybe? Of course, our distributed informational pamphthlets (sp?) are very economical... just a bunch of blank pages. (I think I stole that from Paula Poundstone, but I think it's funny).

QUOTE(winodj @ Jan 21, 2005 -> 01:05 PM) It's not enough to just win this "war". It's only enough to win this "war" without sacrificing the values we were fighting for in the first place. Friggin' moralist....

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Jan 21, 2005 -> 12:18 PM) How bout this one from Billy Grahm at a National Prayer Service in which George W. Bush attended. courtesy cnn.com Kip, you're allowed (encouraged even) to not pay attention to Reverend Graham, the man who is on record as having estimated the size of heaven as only 1,500 cubic miles. Looks to be standing room only for history's several billion Christians (kneeling room for Catholics of course). Then again, if Billy is that in that touch with the celestial real estate business, he may have insider knowledge that W really was the Big G's pick to click. The meek will inherit the earth, but apparently the dumbasses get America.

QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ Jan 21, 2005 -> 10:22 AM) So, a Muslim friend of mine pointed out that the islamic word for satan can also be translated as tempter. Consequently, it doesn't necessarily mean that US is the root of all evil, but more that it's trying to tempt the MidEast away from the traditional Islamic virtues and culture. I'm not saying it's a great idea to call countries Satan, but in that context it isn't as bad.... History of Satan This bit from that site is a great assessment of the OT role satan played Recalling my dusty theology, Satan comes from the Greek 'satanos' which translated literally means "missing the mark." In that context, the tempter in Job, and the western world as tempter of the Muslum world makes sense.

Dobson is just pissed that his attempt at a pop song, "Focus on the Family," never even charted while Rogers' "We Are Family" was a smash hit. In addition to writing that Sister Sledge chestnut, Niles Rogers is a highly respected studio producer, so credit where it is due. He also made several performance appearances at Kerry-Edwards '04 rallies, so he may have found himself in the crosshairs of the religiosos by association as well.

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