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QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 02:55 AM) Daigle went 5-6 today? Is this true? Yes, and hit for the cycle. I always remember thinking Ron Kittle was going to bust, since he had been released by another org before we had him, and thought his parks he played in helped him out. He reminded me of an ex-Knoxville star who hit 35+ homers one year, I think his name was Hoffman. Anyway, even tho I think Kittle was very overrated, he did do well in majors. So a guy like Daigle could breakout, as much as Randar and I and many others doubt. It would be a great story.

QUOTE(Randar68 @ Jun 14, 2005 -> 09:29 PM) Rogo is 24 in AA after spending good parts of 2 years on the DL or nursing injuries and playing just one healthy full-season in W-S. He's also hitting .330 in AA, yet you don't care because Daigle, a 25-year old with AA experience, is hitting the cover off the ball in Winston-Salem and have gone on some kind of crusade to promote him for some unknown reason. How many HR's do you think he'd have in AA in a MUCH bigger park and less of a hitter's league? Sheeesh. Rogo's career numbers: http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/casey_rogowski.shtml Daigle's career numbers: http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/leo_daigle.shtml That's an easy comparison to make? In Daigle's full-season in AA he hit .238 while Rogo is hitting well over .300. Meanwhile, Rogo JUST turned 24 while Daigle is just a couple months from turning 26. This is Daigle's 6th *bleeping* year in A ball and a whole year in AA too! Sheeesh, this infatuation is utterly nonsensical. Coming into this year he had almost 2600 minor league at-bats with a whopping .262 career average and .749 OPS. Meanwhile, Rogo, who was drafted out of HS (to Daigle's college experience) came in as a very raw kid with a predominantly wrestling and football background, lost a ton of in-season and off-season development time (extremely important to young/raw prospect as that is when most individual work is done) due to injury. He had merely 1,000 career minor league AB's heading into this season, and was a .270 hitter with a .800+OPS and a great OBP along the way... Yet, it's an easy comparison? LMFAO. Easy as in "Graduationg from Harvard in 2 years is easy"? Put your freaking crack pipe down and stop creaming yourself over a career minor leaguer. Jeesh Randar, I guess I am not over here enough to know if you two have a running feud, but that is not a very nice response???

QUOTE(BlackBetsy @ Jun 14, 2005 -> 08:29 PM) Fair enough, but isn't it also possible that Daigle has actually improved, and may have a chance at helping the Sox? If that's a possibility, wouldn't you want to find out? There are more than a few players who struggled in the low minors before "figuring it out." Maggs is an example after repeating Hickory (although he was a year or two younger at the time). By the way, Rogo will be a non-prospect like Daigle soon (he's 24 now). In fact, if you look at the 3-year repeat of W-S for Rogo, you could compare him to Daigle pretty easily. Not to take anything away from Rogo, I think he's a good talent and I love his plate discipline. I'm not saying Daigle isn't a dubious prospect based on age and the fact that he was cut by another organization (although any MLB team could have picked up Maggs before the 1997 season, too). But his numbers are SO eye-popping as to warrant seeing whether he really has turned a corner. Well sure, never say never. I would agree, give him a shot, but wait for midseason break before taking away Kanny's big stick, same with Bham and Rogo, wait for break in season. I have no qualms releasing Toca to make room for Rogo. I would rather play all prospects all the time, but our records would suffer and no AAA city would want our franchise loading their teams.

QUOTE(Randar68 @ Jun 14, 2005 -> 07:38 PM) When the half-season is over, folks... sheeesh. Daigle is a 25 year-old marginal or non-prospect. Rogo is a legit prospect. You don't f*** with Rogowski just to promote Daigle. Sheeesh. I know he deserves to move up, but there has to be room, people. These teams are also in races for first-half championships (guarantees playoffs), so there is a reason why people haven't been shuffled around yet. Preaching to the choir Randar. Folks gotta look at why a guy like Daigle is even in the system, he is there to make a class A team competitive. We need guys like these, and no matter how well they perform, they have a role. The guy has played AA before and there are reasons he was cut by another org.

QUOTE(BHAMBARONS @ Jun 14, 2005 -> 04:19 AM) Good start ruined by Reynoso for a second straight outing. Reynoso has been terrible the last couple of weeks.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jun 13, 2005 -> 08:41 PM) how old is he and how much of a prospect is he? I say this because he seems to be hitting really really well out there. He turns 24 this year if he has not already. He has been in system about 5-6 years already, first year above rookie leagues, even if we keep him, he will leave as a minor league FA before he ever got to the bigs. Basically he is not going to make it, not with us.

I do not want a catcher or a local pitcher drafted in first round. Catchers rarely pan out, and local pitchers rarely pan out. Just say no.

QUOTE(Randar68 @ Jun 6, 2005 -> 04:45 PM) 22 years old in High-A, 64 K's and only 7 walks... *shudder*... Collaro is doing quite well surprisingly, he did skip low A ball (he might have been there a bit before last year, never fared well. I am not crazy over him due to BB/K ratio, but he has improved immensely.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 30, 2005 -> 05:11 AM) Can anyone comment, as far as using OPS to judge a prospect? I like that Young's OPS is over .800, in a pitchers park, and he's walking -- but he's still striking out a whole lot. Should that worry me? I think as long as he is getting on base via walks often enough, that it is not a terrible sign. Now a guy like Collaro bothers me more, great numbers but single digit walks. I think Young is going to make it big, he skipped High A ball, that is a tough one to skip.

QUOTE(BHAMBARONS @ May 30, 2005 -> 12:38 AM) I usually don't do PBP and not very good at it so today will be the last time I try it Now THESE are the posts I like, thanks

QUOTE(BHAMBARONS @ May 30, 2005 -> 12:38 AM) I usually don't do PBP and not very good at it so today will be the last time I try it Not that you are not good at it, you are fine, just clogs up this thread and makes it easy to miss a post. Not a big deal, I should have just kept quiet.

QUOTE(BHAMBARONS @ May 29, 2005 -> 08:25 PM) Fields makes an OUTSTANDING CATCH on a line drive that would have been a laed off double Love your reports, but would rather see the play-by-play on its own thread, I do not have the time to look through all that and was I scan I miss some posts from others I wanted to see, for comments on other games etc... If others disagree, so be it.

4-0 tonight Diaz, Phillips, The Dizard King and Egbert all with nice starts. Jenks got 5 Ks for all 5 outs in his save, he has been tough since blowing save against cubbies farm team.

QUOTE(danman31 @ May 25, 2005 -> 03:38 AM) 2001 Draft in Review A look back at how the White Sox drafted four years ago. By Jason Gage The 2001 draft appears to have gone much better than the 2000 draft. The White Sox selected RHP Kris Honel in the 1st round as well as RHP Wyatt Allen (supplemental 1st round for the loss of Charles Johnson). While those picks didn’t fare all that well, the Sox have gotten a lot of value out of some of their latter picks. more... Good stuff, I liked it, only thing I saw that might be corrected is that Collaro signed the next year as a draft and follow, not a redraftee.

QUOTE(BHAMBARONS @ May 22, 2005 -> 04:34 PM) It was a one out Triple Young chased a very bad ball. Then Dickerson walks Sweeney and Rogo, Fields then takes 2 pitches down the heart of the plate and then was out on a very close call at first a great pick by Brandon Sing sold the Ump. Thanks

I heard in bottom of 14th that Owens led off with a triple. Young popped up, they walked Sweeney and Rogo intentionally and then Fields hit into a DP. Is that correct?

QUOTE(minorsfan @ May 22, 2005 -> 03:55 AM) First off I am no "Dude"... And I wasn't disagreeing with anyone. I was just offering my insight from personal experience of over ten years in the sports ticket business as to why the announced attendance may be different than the actual attendance. C Sorry, had not idea you were a lady, my apologies. Just that Rex has worked in that ballpark for years, so I figured you were someone on this board who was not aware of that.

QUOTE(minorsfan @ May 22, 2005 -> 02:44 AM) Alot of times the home team counts season tickets in the attendance, even if they do not actually show up since they are paid for in advance. C Dude, you are disagreeing with the wrong guy. My guess is Rex knows all those rules and every nook and cranny of that park.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ May 21, 2005 -> 11:39 PM) Ya Used to do it often with pitchers. Forster, Gossage, Bart Johnson and Radinsky were all promoted very quickly. A reliever named Alvin Jones too I think.

Malone drilled Felix Pie in the head with a pitch tonight. Down and motionless for a while yet stayed in the game.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ May 20, 2005 -> 07:48 PM) Well, I guarantee one thing, I'll call him a lefty again at one point or another. For whatever reason I've always thought he was a lefty and I'm one of those people who has a hell of a time changing things once I get something in my mind. Kind of like mispronouncing a name. Cerb could tell stories of how much trouble I had pronouncing Schnurstein correctly But ya, Harrel could of went a lot earlier and just seems to be one of those guys that could turn into a gem in the middle rounds. I thought they took him earlier than most would have thought. He was projected later. Reminded them of Haigwood (small school kid). Maybe that is where you get the LH thing from. I do it too on others.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ May 20, 2005 -> 05:13 PM) Harrel is one of those guys to watch. He was a lefty that has quite a bit of upside and was an exceptional pick by this organization. Harrell is Righthanded. He was chosen earlier than anticipated out of small Ozark HS in Mizzou. Sox were impressed with how he did in state tourney.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ May 18, 2005 -> 08:38 PM) Ya, Julio him both converted. I gotta say one thing, Paulino must of been the only 1st baseman that could throw with that kind of gas. I'd have loved to see him turn the DP over at 1st, lol. Yep, I do not know what he looks like, but I figured he must have been too big and slow for OF or something?

QUOTE(Randar68 @ May 17, 2005 -> 11:30 PM) IIRC Fabio Castro was a converted SS? Nope, not Fabio, the other Castro we had last year, who left as a minor league FA, I think his name was Julio Castro maybe? He and Reynoso converted about same time.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ May 17, 2005 -> 07:04 PM) I was one of those in shock cause it meant Ryan Wing got away. Of course I remember Wilder and a few others mentioned that Reynoso just had a killer arm. He's a converted ss if I recall and any lefty that can throw in the upper 90's has some value. Converted 1Bman, do not see many LH SS's.