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the title of this thread sounds like a joke set up....

anyone watch last night? I have to wait until I get home

QUOTE(Soxy @ Nov 21, 2006 -> 12:13 PM) No, but we had an annual snipe hunt. snipe hunting = vastly underrated

QUOTE(bmags @ Nov 21, 2006 -> 12:12 PM) OH s*** THIS HAPPENED IN LA? campus police are campus police, they have the jurisdiction of the campus and are routinely called off by the town police dept. whom are better trained and better equipped. and routinely have overuses of force, be it in Madison, columbia, LA, or champaigne. ok, but that is YOUR perception of campus cops. That's not necessarily the truth of the matter. As some have suggested, campus cops may in fact have MORE jurisdiction because of the private nature many college and universities.

I like my arteries soft and malleable thanks

he kinda looks like a tan yoda

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Nov 21, 2006 -> 12:05 PM) Really? There have been rumors about this for a loooong time. believe it or not..I'm not up on who's gay and who's not

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 21, 2006 -> 11:57 AM) Seemingly, not if it accuses a Muslim person of anything. especially if I were looking for a distraction..... no?

QUOTE(bmags @ Nov 21, 2006 -> 11:56 AM) yes, they can huff and puff like they are the real police, but we all know they are glorified meter maids that will take any chance to assert their authority in unneccesary situations. At mizzou they never check id's, only one time at the med library and they said a week ahead of time they would. I think mizzou wants its college to be a part of the community though. I think you missed most of this thread. These aren't mall cops and ucla policy is to check ids after 10. This is L.A. not columbia, MO.

wouldn't passing a note to a flight attendant be suspicious activity?

didn't see that one coming....

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 21, 2006 -> 11:42 AM) Maybe this was just the cops way of responding to being heckled... or he likes Peter Gabriel...

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 21, 2006 -> 11:35 AM) So, there are 2 fundamentally different versions here to react to. If the version you're presenting is the true one, then yes, there was cause for removal - getting up and taking up space in a plane aisle and refusing to be seated The version in the article above suggests that there was no disturbance on the plane, including no prayers, until a passenger passed a note to a flight attendent. It also suggests that they conducted their evening prayers in the terminal before boarding the plane. agreed. if they didn't stand up and disrupt the flight then there's no need to deplane them.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 21, 2006 -> 11:23 AM) Which is why you escort the person out. You're acting like there was no other option here other than tasing the person, which at least based on the info we have so far, doesn't appear true at all. (If there was video that proved the kid had charged at one of the police officers in a violent manner, I think either we'd have seen tha video by now or at least had it described to us, but instead, we're hearing about how UCLA policy is that its ok to tase passive resisters, which suggests that yes, the kid was not being aggressive). That doesn't address anything I just said. Tex said that we should side with the "idiot kid" because the byproduct of him being in the library "wasn't as threatening" as the taser. I think that's incorrect logic. Why was this kid questioning the authority of the campus cops in the first place? The cops didn't just walk up to him and zap him. That's where this argument begins and end for me. Should the cops have chosen a different measure? very probably. The responsibility lies on the kid. He was wrong. end of story.

I believe this happened to a Rabbi who was praying. People need to lighten up. There's a lot "worse" behavior than praying on a plane...like sharpening knives....or snakes...

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 21, 2006 -> 09:48 AM) Right - UCLA asking for IDs after 11 when the library is closed to the public. Wrong - kid not producing the ID Wrong - security police tasering the guy So we have two wrongs. Which one is worse? Look at the potential problems. A non student in the library after hours could . . .?? The taser, is an extreme case, could cause death. I see the threat being much, much, lower than the response. Verdict to the idiot kid over the equally idiotic security cop. This is incredibly short-sighted, imo. The death of this student would have been tragic, no doubt, however, the abuse, rape, or death of a student or students because the campus cops weren't doing their jobs and a student infiltrated the library would be horrific.

QUOTE(EvilMonkey @ Nov 21, 2006 -> 09:26 AM) I have a question for all of you running that posted your platforms. To a person, you all put down that you support stem cell research. Support it how? By allowing private research, or by using taxpayer dollars to fund it? I believe that there is a moral dilema for many people regarding this issue. However, from a moral standpoint we must not be afraid of stemcell research. As many of my fellow candidates believe, there are huge potential for cures, for hope and for economic stimulation. Due to that fact, I do not believe that public subsidies are the role the government can play; rather by setting ethical standards for acquiring and using stem cells, we may realize the potential for irradicating many diseases and illnesses. What must be understood is that the quality of life for millions of people could be increased by such research. I believe that is a very moral ideal indeed.

I stand by my comments, however, I agree with LCR that each incident should be handled on a one on one basis. I'm not advocating that the campus cop involved should be handed a medal and not investigated, I'm just assessing the situation as I see it. The burden of proof lands equally. They should review witness accounts, video accounts, and the individuals involved. The student in question seemed to be an activist and seemed to have instigated the situation. I think tasers are excessive and unnecessary, but if it is true that they are a part of the UCLA public safety policy, then the cop was within his rights to subdue the militant student. It's tragic either way.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Nov 21, 2006 -> 04:48 AM) Im back from the deserts of Cali and with the holidays and my newly announced ( but we knew about it for a while anyway ) depolyment to Iraq in February I wont have time to campaign effectively so I think I'll just whore myself out for someone's cabinet if I'm wanted. This should be a fun thing to watch. Hey Nuke, be well. You'll definitely have a place in my cabinet when you return...your choice. glad you're home. PA

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Nov 21, 2006 -> 01:01 AM) I smell poo. what?

QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Nov 21, 2006 -> 02:17 AM) I ate whale last weekend. How'd he get THAT nickname? too far? sorry.

like I said...I would yell out "holy @#$@#...why are you doing that?" instead of some leftist politic bulls***. When you spill a cup that's full to the brim, what spills out is very telling of what the vessel was filled with in the beginning. He was a political activist, plain and simple. He disobeyed individuals who #1 had the authority to do what they were doing #2 he knew he was in the wrong. "no aggressive action" is political rhetoric to the core and meaningless. What happens if you don't have your license during a normal traffic stop? You could get a ticket or sent to jail. What happens if you give the cop crap and refuse to show him your license? He's probably gonna put your ass up against the car and hall you in. However, in this case, your a punk college student (I'm picturing LCR) and the cop is a campus cop. I'd taser him too.

how?

the average person doesn't yell that out during this altercation....they say "damn that really hurts...okay I'll start listening to you" the kid clearly has an activist mentality and unhealthy disregard for authority. If he gets a dime it will be a huge shame. I have no doubt that the cop will be on O'Reila-hanity garnering their support. UCLA is serious about their library books apparently.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Nov 20, 2006 -> 05:23 PM) Much to my wife's dismay, yes I am. that made me laugh. QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Nov 20, 2006 -> 12:01 PM) What exactly was Bond doing that was really "saving" the world so to speak? well, hopefully enough of us have been shamed not to ever wear swim trunks like Bond....not ever guys