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Hmmm, Jason, I would rather do the Maggs for Soriano alone. Now of course that means we have an opening in RF. With Lee in LF, that leaves AaRow and a FA for the other 2 OF positions. Does that mean Reed will get a shot? I dunno, but our OF power would go from a strength to a weakness.

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I can't. But I believe Colon has at least two takers in Boston and the NYY. And I am in 100% agreement that Weaver should not be an option. I think you are half way right there, Killa. Theres no way that BOston ccan afford COlon right now, unless they move someone else high salary. The Yankees, OTOH, I'm sure will give him what he wants, and all the "I don't want to play for the Yankees" garbage will be forgotten. All it takes is the green to change one's mind.

A perfect example of why not every deal should be based on just statistics alone. Garland couldn't carry Colon's jocky strap. Not to get too technical here, but lets look at the numbers that Colon put up at age 24, compared to what Garland did this year (he was 23) First, BARTOLO COLON: Pitching Year Team G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA 1997 CLE 19 17 4 7 0 1 0 94.0 107 66 59 12 45 66 5.65 1.62 .000 Now, JON GARLAND: Pitching Year Team G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA 2003 CHA 32 32 12 13 0 0 0 191.2 188 103 96 28 74 108 4.51 1.37 .260 Lets give the kid a bit of time before we say he can't hold Colons jock strap, cuz Colon wasn't exactly Sandy Koufax at the same age.

Can you prove that Killa? Cuz no one else seems to think he was 100% at all. Like I said, it is my wish that he doesnt pick up a baseball until February. Give him 5 months without putting any pressure on that surgically repaired arm.

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Based on financial implications, and bullpen roles, I'm pretty sure that you will see Damaso as the setup guy, and Koch as the closer again, barring injuries. Without Marte setting up, we have no bridge to the 9th inning. And face it, if Koch comes back in Spring Training relatively close to 100%, it will be this way. Gordon will almost certainly walk, to the Phillies or another club dumb enough to pay him $5 mill per year for 2 years.

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Who is on it, SuperSteve? I don't watch too much primetime TV....

Hey Alex...who did your sig? I want someone who knows how to make one, and not my Dollar Store style of making them to redesign mine for now. I want the same pic as I have now, but set up better.

Now you are next Steff...having a sig with a SOx player that didn't do very well is unacceptable!!!

I will admit, and apologize, that I was a WSI person for quite a while until I found this site. I had quite a few rousing post wars on WSI before I just decided that it was pointless to talk to most of the folks there. Happy to be here now!

That one was COMPLETELY deserved though, Steff.

CWSOX45, I wasn't trying to call you out or anything...was just trying to show our banned pal that he could at least he could get his facts straight before posting. There aren't too many folks on here that think Frank should be hitting in the #3 hole, especially myself.

In my opinion the White Sox should do what they can to deal Koch, but it's probably pretty close to impossible for anyone to take a guy that lost 6-7 miles off his fastball inexplicably (I believe he's injured). Konerko is a personal favorite, but has no value on the trade market (I don't believe they'll just dump him) so we're stuck with him. Unfortunately, the odd man out here is more than likely Ordonez, provided we get maximum in talent return on a trade. I would make the Ordonez for Soriano deal straight up if the Yankees would have it, it increases salary flexibility, is fiscally responsible and gives us the opportunity to possibly keep Everett & stay in the picture to re-sign Colon. Let's say we make the Ordonez/Soriano trade & sign Everett to a 2 year contract at 8 million a year (I realize I'm probably low on the offer #) & manage to land Colon at 13 million per year for X amt of years. We're now talking about 22.2 million for Colon, Soriano (isn't he projected at 1.2 million next year?) and Everett in 2004 rather than 14 million for Ordonez. It just makes more sense. Sorry about the long GM rant! ApplingsRevenge I do agree with ya, ApplingsRevenge. If I can make a deal with the Yanks, Ordonez for Soriano straight up, I accept it before I hang the phone up. That deal makes too much sense for you not to take. It solves 3 problems at once; #1) We move 14 mill off the payroll, #2) We get someone young to fill our second base hole, #3) We now have an extra 12 million to do what we need. I can only dream of a deal like this being done.

You can be arbitration eligible after your second year if you had at least 86 days on the roster in your second year and were in the top 17% of second year players in regards to service time. Days do matter. Free agency also comes after 6 years of service time, not calendar years. Players with 3, 4, or 5 years of service time and the top 17% of the 2 year players may opt for arbitration in order to come to a contract 2003 was Martes 4th year in MLB, but I don't know who defines a "year" of MLB service.

I'm not sure its gonna be ALL about money for Petitte this time around. I can realistically see him heading to Houston. If that happens, then its inevitable that Colon goes to NY, whether he says he wants to play there or not.

Hey Koch This...just a suggestion here...ya might wanna remove the "UN" part on the Unbeatable Pair of 7's in your sig....

Then you have Mussina, Contreras, Lieber, and Weaver.... If thats the case, the NYY fans will be :puke all year. Ans we know that George won't take that rotation...

You are the one who claimed that Frank hit .250 with RISP last season. Stating your obvious ignorance on the subject is simply a fact, not a character attack. You do a good job of grinding your own character through the mud. You don't need my assistance for that. Obviously, your reading skills are on par with my 2 year old nephew, although he may have a slight edge. If you would have actually "taken the time" to look back, you woulda seen that CWSOX45 posted that, and not I. Sorry you had that confused, as it only takes 20-30 seconds to actually confirm or refute your statements.

For arguments sake, here are Franks numbers for 2003 in situational areas: G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS Bases Empty 151 307 23 68 13 0 23 23 43 72 0 0 .221 .325 .489 .813 Runners On 145 239 64 78 22 0 19 82 57 43 0 0 .326 .464 .657 1.121 RISP 121 125 47 35 9 0 8 52 32 27 0 0 .280 .440 .544 .984 RISP w/2 Outs 73 59 22 18 4 0 3 25 10 14 0 0 .305 .423 .525 .948 Bases Loaded 22 6 14 2 0 0 1 9 2 2 0 0 .333 .444 .833 1.278 Also, JeffHanneman, not sure who you consider to be a "kid" here, but ya might wanna build up a reputation on Soxtalk before you start endless flames and attacks on other members character. Just a thought

I wouldnt pay $20 mill for anyone playing the game right now. The top 2 players that I may pay $15 mill per season to would probably be Todd Helton and Alex Rodriguez. I woulda wanted Todd Helton about 3 years ago, right when he turned 27. You get that Todd Helton for 5 years, 60-80 mill.....thats some production.

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Heres a name I haven't heard anyone mention, although its a long shot and I personally HATE the guy: Ichiro Suzuki. He is a Fa, and only made $3 mill this year. If we were able to move Maggs for the betterment of the team, you could get that guy as a replacement for half the salary of Ordonez, and still give Ichiro a huge salary increase. Thoughts?

With all that being said, WU83, we still will have #35 on the roster throwing his little pouting fits in 2004.