Dick Allen

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Nov 6, 2012 -> 08:50 AM) Mercy. I hope he wins it again next year. If he gets back to his 2009 numbers and V.Martinez doesn't go nuts, he has a shot.

QUOTE (VAfan @ Nov 5, 2012 -> 05:17 PM) I'll reply here as well. McCarthy is not a reliable replacement for Floyd. In 7 seasons, he's averaging less than 100 IPs per year (654 innings total since 2005). Floyd has pitched 1127 innings since 2004. Both guys are 29 (Floyd is older by 6 months.). Don't really care about 3 or 4 or 5 years ago. But the point is true, chances are Floyd will give you more innings, the question is how many less would BMac give you. Assuming they are better innings, if he works for less money, and you can get something useful for Floyd, you can live with fewer innings as long as its still a,decent nimbler.

QUOTE (VAfan @ Nov 5, 2012 -> 05:04 PM) I would not want to replace Gavin Floyd in our rotation with Brandon McCarthy. McCarthy has one season of 170 IPs. Next highest is 111. Then 102. The FEWEST innings Gavin Floyd has pitched in the last 5 years is this year's 168, which happened because of his elbow issues. Otherwise it's 193, 187, 193, 206. McCarthy is not a reliable season-long starter. Plus, McCarthy has very significant home-away split differences. At the Oakland Coliseum, his ERA is in the mid-2's. Away, in 2011 it was 3.99, in 2012 it was 3.66. Meanwhile, over the last two years, pitching at US Cellular has hurt Floyd's stats. So, if McCarthy were cheap, he might be good insurance in case: Danks' return is delayed, or Quintana/Santiago don't pitch as well out of the 5th spot as they did this year. He is no replacement for Gavin Floyd, however. At least not a reliable one. If he could give you 170 innings, he is most likely an upgrade from Floyd, but he could give you less than 100 and no one would or at least should be surprised. I guess if they do sign him, it will be Herm's big job in 2013,

Jim "Bulls" Durham, former voice of the Bulls, and perhaps the greatest basketball PBP guy I have ever heard, also a former voice of the White Sox for a couple years in the late '80s, dead at 65. RIP.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 5, 2012 -> 07:13 AM) Is he even going to be able to pitch? He supposedly is good to go. Ultimately, And I'm no fan of Gavin Floyd, I think BMac in USCF gives you about what Floyd gives you, which IMO, isn't all that much in the end. But if someone wants to give you something for Floyd, it makes sense bringing McCarthy in. But if you go back a few months, not many here thought Floyd was worth anywhere near his option. Gavin has become a much better pitcher the last month or so just by sitting on his couch. If the BMac price is reasonable and Floyd has value, bring him in. If either of those aren't true, I would imagine he will wind up with another team.

QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Nov 3, 2012 -> 06:42 PM) Hahn might have been responsible for drafting him or was a major part of his development. You can never have enough pitching. Again, what a difference a year makes when talking about the off season. I think Hahn has always had a hard on for him. The guy sounded like Hawk after Buehrle's perfect game when discussing him at Soxfest prior to the 2005 season. He will obviously miss starts, but if he's relatively cheap, there are worse things he could do.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Nov 3, 2012 -> 06:18 PM) No, but Romo took the closers role and Casilla is their RH setup man so I venture to believe he's available....Has there ever been a rule against a big beard in the past?? He will get non tendered.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Nov 3, 2012 -> 04:52 PM) I wouldn't mind trading for Brian Wilson though. He'd bring more fans IMO and would solidify the closer spot encase Reed isn't what we thought he was. If you get Wilson you can include Reed or Jones in a deal for a 3B. Isn't he a free agent. JR would never let that beard stay as is.

Sox are trying to sign Brandon Mc Carthy. I would guess that would make Flioyd official trade bait.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 3, 2012 -> 12:36 PM) I always thought Bulls fans were generally the dumbest in Chicago. Comments like this make me think otherwise. Enjoy Dan Johnson starting DH. Why are you saying the suggestion of dumping a guy who strikes out more often than anyone who ever played MLB, has a career .181 average with the Sox and is owed over $30 million over the next 2 years means the poster who suggested it is dumb? That money could be re allocated and I'm pretty sure you could find an .800 OPS guy for less. The fact is Dunn will be a White Sox next year, and one thing that cements it is no other team would take that contract.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Nov 2, 2012 -> 01:14 PM) Then who should we blame for Adam Dunn not scoring a run after he walks? I would think it's those 2 that had the most PA's with Adam standing on first. Sometimes there is no one to blame. A slow footed guy probably doesn't score much when they walk, no matter what team they play for. I understand that sometimes a walk is as good as a hit, and a walk is not a bad thing. I think most are not understanding what I'm saying. I just think a walk is as good as a hit fewer times for Adam Dunn than some players.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Nov 2, 2012 -> 11:53 AM) Yes, a little bit, but the guy batting behind him is the only one guaranteed to have some effect on his scoring via a walk. Especially if he makes the third out or GIDP. It's his job, if nothing else, to move him up a base or 2. If that guy isn't doing his job, it makes it that much more difficult for anyone batting further back to do it. Its kind of hard to blame Konerko and Rios since each had a higher OBP and SLG pct. than Adam.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 2, 2012 -> 11:49 AM) Now you're just saying stuff to be an ass. No. You praised his strikeouts because they weren't DPs then said Konerko and Rios were hitting into DPs after Dunn drew a walk. If that's the case, my point is made. How good is a walk if a DP is soon to follow? Its like having an in his prime Mariano Rivera pitching for the 2012 Astros. And if that's the case, a guy who has walks as a next best weapon other than homers, shouldn't be hitting in front of guys who ground into a lot of DPs. So you are saying in a roundabout way, the 3 hole isn't for him either.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 2, 2012 -> 11:32 AM) Yes, and not only did Konerko/Rios not drive Dunn in much, they combined for 34 GIDP to eliminate him from the bases completely. As a slow guy, Dunn's style of walking and striking out a lot cuts down on those GIDP for him. So you're saying his walks set up DPs. Well, even I don't disvalue his walks that much.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Nov 2, 2012 -> 11:12 AM) If your argument is that his walks haven't translated to runs that's exactly who you should be blaming. Really? If Konerko is directly behind him, for Dunn to score he has to homer or hit a long double (I'm taking triple out of the equation). Shouldn't it shake down the line up? What's funny is if Dunn got back to his 2009 level in 2013, he legitimately could be a candidate for comeback player of the year 2 years in a row.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 2, 2012 -> 11:00 AM) Yes, and Adam Dunn walked 105 times, so talking about the worth of one walk is pointless. So you agree with me. Thanks.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 2, 2012 -> 10:58 AM) You said walks were useless, well they are when players behind you are hitting like s***. Rios hit well, but he wasn't a superstar, he was a good hitter. Konerko for a long time was a bad hitter last season, and therefore Dunn's walks didn't look like anything great because the #4 hitter sucked. Where did I write walks were useless? Show me, and I'll quit the board.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 2, 2012 -> 10:57 AM) Well Rickey Henderson was a very unique player in that he has so much of a power threat that he got walked a lot. Use Rajai Davis as a comparison. A single walk to Rajai Davis is more damaging than a single walk to Adam Dunn, but Rajai Davis had a .378 SLG so he wasn't a threat to do any damage with the bat and only got walked 29 times. And no matter how fast Rajai Davis is, 105 walks to Adam Dunn is more damaging than 29 walks to Rajai Davis. The cumulative effect of getting on base 105 more times and thus making 105 less outs far outweighs the fact that he "only" got himself to first base instead of getting a double or home run. As I said, a walk to Adam Dunn is worth less than a walk to some other players.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 2, 2012 -> 10:23 AM) Are there any competent offensive players that could be moved to 3b ala Teahan? Wouldn't be out of the ordinary for KW to fill that role. With KW around, I think the Sox would be reluctant to do that. The exact move pretty much derailed his career.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 2, 2012 -> 10:52 AM) And that pretty much sums up your baseball knowledge right there, if you doubt that Dunn would have scored more runs in a better lineup. You said double. That's what I answered to. I'm comfortable with my baseball knowledge at least vs. someone who comes up with that figure.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 2, 2012 -> 10:48 AM) Funny how when the production behind Dunn got worse (Konerko), he didn't perform as well. Blame Konerko for Adam Dunn. Wow. Rios was behind Dunn as well. Might as well blame him too. Konerko didn't seem to be a minor league hitter when he had Dunn behind him in 2011.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 2, 2012 -> 10:46 AM) That's not his fault. How f***ing thick is your head that you don't understand that??? If Adam Dunn was on the Yankees the past 10 years he would have scored twice as many runs from his walks. I doubt it. But if you have to have a $200 million payroll for him to score, it makes paying him $15 million even more silly.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 2, 2012 -> 10:43 AM) I may be in the minority, but I've never had any interest whatsoever in attending SoxFest. I'm not into autographs, but I used to like the seminars discussing the upcoming season even though a lot of it was fluff. That was worth what you had to pay when it was at the Hyatt especially when they discounted season ticketholders 50%. Now, I have no interest.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 2, 2012 -> 10:11 AM) White Sox Fans, We are happy to announce that we are extending the "early-bird discount" rate for SoxFest weekend passes! Weekend passes will now be $60 until November 9. After November 9, the weekend pass price will be $75. SoxFest 2013 weekend passes are available for sale to fans who book the SoxFest two-night hotel package. The special SoxFest hotel rate is $278 (plus applicable taxes and fees) for a two-night stay and fans who book a two-night stay are eligible to purchase up to four SoxFest weekend passes. SoxFest 2013 January 25-27 Palmer House Hilton Don't miss SoxFest and your opportunity to meet some of your favorite current and former White Sox players, collect autographs, attend question-and-answer sessions, participate in interactive baseball activities and visit the ever-popular SoxFest Garage Sale, featuring unique White Sox memorabilia and collectibles. They are going like hotcakes. Move it back to the Hyatt which can accomodate more fans so you can lower the price and have more attend and still have the money for the charity.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Nov 2, 2012 -> 10:10 AM) I see your argument, but once Adam Dunn gets on base via a walk what can he do to get home other than wait for the hitters behind him to drive him home? He's not a base stealer. Many power hitters are not base stealers. You could put Rios in the 3-spot, but he's not going to get on base as much via the walk as Dunn. He may get on more often by getting a base hit, but he and Konerko are the guys that are responsible for getting the guys on base home. You put Dunn at #5, and now you are relying on a guy with a .210 average to bring home the guys on base. Now if you're talking about taking Dunn out of the equation all together (trade), you're losing a ton of power from the lineup. And I may tend to agree that Dunn is not worth $15 million, but the Sox (or any team for that matter) would be hard pressed to find a guy who can hit 40+ HRs in a season for less than that. You want a guy who can hit .270+ and smack 40+ HRs? Be prepared to shell out a lot more than $15 million. That's part of the point. A leadoff walk to Rickey Henderson is far more damaging than a leadoff walk to Paul Konerko despite what a couple people on this board think. I love home runs and believe the Sox have to hit home runs to be successful. But, I don't think Dunn should bat 3rd. I know the Sox will have him on the roster for 2 more years, and think they will be far more productive moving him down. His walks haven't translated to runs during his career and as he gets older chances of that changing are shrinking. Again, walks aren't a bad thing, but for Adam Dunn, they aren't as great as some make them out to be. I do realize they are better than outs.