Dick Allen

What really might help Greg Walker's hitters is facing Don Cooper's pitchers.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ May 11, 2009 -> 08:30 PM) That is my point also the more Walker is around these guys the worse it gets, also CQ was hurt most of Spring Training last year so Walker could not totally screw him up before season started and AR spoke no english so he could not understand GW nonsense! SAD BUT TRUE:gosoxretro: That's ridiculous. Quentin was acquired for an A ball firstbaseman. He was behind Jerry Owens and almost was an MVP. Ramirez was hitting .170 in May last year and turned it around. He was working with Walker.

QUOTE (stretchstretch @ May 11, 2009 -> 08:26 PM) and I'll provide a HUGE correction: 2008, first season with the WhiteSox, 288avg, 100RBI, 36HR, AL MVP frontrunner in shortened season Carlos Quentin, and first season with the White Sox, 290avg, Rookie of the Year candidate Alexei Ramirez say hello!!! 2009, second season with the White Sox .239 avg Carlos Quentin, second season with the White Sox .194 avg Alexei Ramirez, and Rookie of the Year Winner Evan Longoria now hitting .358, with 11HR, 44RBI in his second season with player developing Tampa Bay, all say "What's up Greg Walker??" What was Loaisa like in 2004? Floyd in 2009? Why is it you can give Cooper credit for Conteras going 15-0 but he can't take the blame when his ERA is 9.00? What about Mike MacDougal?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 11, 2009 -> 08:16 PM) Not exactly, Floyd was around Cooper in 2007 also, so he went upwards first. When Sox hitters do well, its thought on this board it has nothing to do with Walker, although the players swear by him. What about Jermaine Dye? Quentin, Konerko. Cooper has had some success with castoffs, but really how many of them really had more than a year or so of success? Thornton. Jenks but I don't know how you give that success to Cooper and why is it Cooper would get all the credit? Giving him credit for every pitchers' success and giving Walker no credit for Quentin isn't consistent and makes zero sense. I have no problem with either coach. I just don't see how Walker is public enemy #1 to many Sox fans and Cooper walks on water.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 11, 2009 -> 08:01 PM) I would rather have Stone as hitting coach at this point than Walker. The Gobbler eats up Floyd's ERA to 7.32. That's almost as good as my AIG investment...good thing KW only managing talent and not my portfolio since this past off-season. Why is it Walker gets criticized for the hitting but Cooper gets a pass on the pitching? The Sox have allowed 8 or more runs more than they have been shutout this year. After Cooper went out to talk to Floyd he gave up 2 hits and a HBP allowing 4 runs to score.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 11, 2009 -> 08:01 PM) At least KW has the Swisher trade to deflect any criticism of the Javy trade. As much as I hated Javy, I'd gladly take him on this team as the #3. I personally don't mind either trade. The only thing that bugs me is KW talking like he fleeced these teams talent-wise. Marquez absolutely sucks. Nunez is 22 with his 4th organization, Lillibridge is garbage, and the Sox actually had the nerve to compare Gilmore to Crede a guy who was a minor league MVP twice I believe.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 11, 2009 -> 07:53 PM) Don't look at Gilmore's stats if you're in a bad mood. He may only be hitting about .150 with no power and a ton of k's but he only has 10 errors.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 11, 2009 -> 07:53 PM) Great news!!!! We can lose again tomorrow. Clayton Richard is starting, they switched around the rotation again. 1/59 AJ? Just kidding...AJ's really getting better, according to DJ. Corky Miller has thrown out no one. The pitching staff other than Buerhle and occassionally Danks has a hard time giving the catchers much of a chance.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 11, 2009 -> 03:19 PM) We got Swisher off the books, got Betemit who can be a contributor offensively and a couple prospects who may or may not pan out, and used the money for Viciedo who still has loads of talent. I think it was an OK deal. Swisher's average is starting to dive and his K rate is rising. I'm with you, Marquez and Nunez, if they turn into anything, are gravy. Financial relief and Betemit is a good deal IMO.

I also read both teams were issued warnings before the game yesterday. It makes the White Sox offensive showing even more disgusting.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 11, 2009 -> 10:27 AM) Ugh, he's going to get a suspension for this. If Ozzie would have just taken care of this in Texas, none of this would have ever happened. The good news is the Sox apparently have no use for a closer at the present time.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 11, 2009 -> 08:02 AM) I love how the Sun Times editor writes blaring headline "Guillen rips Sox" when the opposite was really the case, he seemed, from all accounts, somewhere between resigned and crying, certainly frustrated, but definitly not "fiery." As many have argued, having to send Contreras down to the minors after everything he did to start the season, and then having no real options to replace him with, as well as having to run Lillibridge out there in the line-up, not good. ''A very no-life day. That's what it looked like to me,'' manager Ozzie Guillen said. ''I know when you're struggling it's not easy to get pumped up and smile and enjoy this game. Padilla pitched well, but at the same time, I didn't see any life. ''We're swinging at good pitches,'' Lillibridge said. ''We need results now. We need to string some hits together. That's what we want.'' ''We have good hitters,'' Guillen said. ''When things don't go your way, that's when you have to step it up. It's hard because we've tried everything. We've tried different lineups [19 so far], but then it becomes inconsistent. Someone gets hurt or that lineup on that day doesn't work. ''We'll hit, but we have to get going. I expect to have a better road trip than the last one [1-4]. Hopefully it's a wake-up call to play better. ''Hitting is contagious and winning is contagious, but losing can be, too. I don't want to keep hoping we come here and win. We've been through worse than this. I know it's still early, but it's better to work on it early.'' Lillibridge tries to hit everything 9 miles. Maybe instead of playing him in the game, they can have him hit whiffle balls on the fundamentals deck. If he clears the 15 foot fence he gets a gift card and can run around the bases.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 10, 2009 -> 08:35 PM) Two hits? My god. I wonder if anybody has kept track of all of Kenny's moves. Some have worked; some haven't. Lillibridge is a joke. He can't hit a baseball thrown by a major leaguer. And Alexi and Carlos, what the f***? Are they going to get it going? If so, when? There are traditions and there are White Sox traditions.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ May 11, 2009 -> 06:46 AM) Why does it seem like when our pitchers try to intentionally hit someone they always miss? I know it happened a few times last season. In my mind, throwing behind the runner looks more intentional then if he had actually hit him. Jenks would have just played it off as an pitch that slipped. Good pitchers like Jenks just dont miss two feet off the plate, behind the batter, on accident. If there is a program out there capable of tracking all of Jenks pitches as a major leaguer, I'd guess he has maybe thrown a pitch that far off the plate once or twice. And the other instances would probably be in scenarios he also tried to hit the batter and missed. Also, I always hate the argument that people use of, "well, why would he hit him in (insert situation) because (insert scenario in which runners on would be terrible)." That's EXACTLY the right moment to him someone, when you shouldn't do it. The entire point of Kinsler representing the tying run gave them plausible deniability. I really dont know how people, like Hawk for example, couldn't see through it. It reminds me of an excuse I used when I was younger, when I'd say "why would I do (act of mischief) because (scenario in which doing act would be terrible)" and people would buy it. Supposedly, Jenks' point was not to hit him, just a pitch to say hello and the Sox had enough of getting hit.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ May 10, 2009 -> 02:40 PM) this will be the third straight series loss, not counting the one game against the kitties The Sox swept them.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 10, 2009 -> 02:39 PM) Carrasco is officially in. AWESOME, thanks KW/Ozzie You would think Richard should still be good to go on Wednesday now. He won't go more than 4 or 5 anyway.

I wonder how much payroll the Sox are going to have to lopp off in order to be able to pay the higher prices of bats.

Corky got some hits early, but now he looks like a pitcher with the bat. He doesn't look close to having a chance.

He looks like a Corky.

I don't think Alexei was exactly busting it down the line there.

Contreras has to clear waivers, and that is a 48 hour process. Once that's out of the way, he will be sent down. It will be interesting to see what gasoline container they call up to take his place.

Richard in. I'm telling you, the options after Contreras are a lot worse. They should just let him try it again.

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ May 10, 2009 -> 02:10 PM) Coop said he readily accepted the trip down there because he knew he needed to work on things Stone just said Contreras will be working out of the bullpen.

I'm pretty sure Hawk is convinced there is an umpire conspiracy against the White Sox.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 10, 2009 -> 02:10 PM) It's ridiculous...he's not MLB caliber (he's not even AAA caliber). Yet, Ozzie keeps trotting him into the lineup, and his results are so damn predictable. I've never seen a player stay on a roster as long as he has who has absolutely no prayer at the plate. He makes me beg for Jerry Owens to play in CF. The sicker thing is he is hitting high in the order. If he was with the Cardinals, LaRussa would have him batting after the pitcher.