Dick Allen

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Apr 29, 2009 -> 02:02 PM) Ok i understand Quentin stands on the plate, but he's been hit a lot so far this year. He got hit 42 times one year in the minors.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 29, 2009 -> 01:59 PM) Has anyone ever looked as overmatched as Lillibridge? Guy looks like he'll never get a hit. Most pitchers in the NL look better at the plate. If he must play, he should bat 9th. Leading off is the biggest joke I've ever seen.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Apr 29, 2009 -> 12:48 PM) Anyone know the lineups yet? I know Lillibridge is leading off, so we have that going for us, which is nice.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 29, 2009 -> 12:52 PM) I think this thread would be cooler if the title were "Thome to retire?". Flame away. Jim Thome may be the least appreciated White Sox vs. what he has accomplished by Soxtalk of all-time. In fact, I don't think there is a close second.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 29, 2009 -> 12:07 PM) Kroeger would be the most likely player to be recalled. Betemit, to Fathom's eternal delight, would get most of the at-bats, in all likelihood. If Josh Kroeger and his current .185 batting average are recalled, KW should be embarrassed.

Did any of the guys bashing Thome now ever bash Harold Baines? He had the same shift in the infield, although the OF played him to hit it the other way. Only 13 or 14 players have hit more homers or walked as much as Jim Thome in major league history. For him to change his approach is dumb. He's not a singles hitter. He's a slugger. His job is to drive in runs. Not many in the history of the game have done it much better. In fact when he's hot, most teams would love for him to try to hit a grounder the other way for a single.

Maybe the Sox should call up Josh Kroeger. He's got the average up to .194 in AAA.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 29, 2009 -> 08:45 AM) Given Flowers is still learning the position, no chance they call him up. Lucy would be the next call-up for catcher. I am a Donny Lucy fan, but a .219 average in AAA is not grounds for a call-up, that's why I don't mention him. Obviously, his ABs are few so a good week and he's more respectable, but just like Egbert and Broadway, guys not getting the job done in AAA shouldn't be expected to get it done in Chicago.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 29, 2009 -> 12:05 AM) I said earlier...he'd be a great September call-up. As a 25 man roster player, it's an absolute joke. The problem is that we have 3 of these types right now (Lill, Owens, Broadway). The talent level on this team is pretty scary right now with Getz/Thome out. I've been saying since 2005 AJP was the key to the White Sox doing anything, because if he went down, the Sox were screwed, they had no other viable options., Now it seems to have expanded to a couple of other spots. That said, no matter what anyone says, this divison is fairly weak. There is no great team. If the Sox can stay around .500 and play the teams that aren't all so good in their division decently, they will have a chance.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 28, 2009 -> 11:54 PM) As someone who has seen almost all of his at bats, I'll sum it up this way: HE f***ING SUCKS! He looks like a bad hitting pitcher at the plate. For someone who has speed, he is absolutely pathetic at hitting the ball on the ground. He must have got lucky to hit .220 in the minors last year. I couldn't agree more. Its amazing how many people stil put Lillibridge ahead of Anderson and Wise. Lillibridge is no better and probably worse offensively than Jerry Owens, but for some reason(probably because KW said so) they think he's a viable offensive major league player. He's nothing more than a late inning defensive replacement and a pinch runner.

QUOTE (3E8 @ Apr 28, 2009 -> 11:49 PM) Yes, Jim Beam Club is the s hit. And the secret to getting those tickets is to wait until the week you want to go to the game (assuming it's not Sox/Cubs or something) and then they'll only be $180 apiece on StubHub opposed to > $300 Or get them comp. Oh my. I'm fairly certain if I had Jim Beam Club season tickets, I would weigh 500 lbs. and would be an alcoholic. Nice spread tonight with the prime rib, turkey and fish.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Apr 28, 2009 -> 11:52 PM) I haven't seen all of his AB's so I don't know, I just glanced at the stats. But tonight he looked god awful. Like I said though, we get someone to teach him to stay on top of the ball and have quick short line drive swings, he'll be a completely different player, IMO. Nothing that great, but not nearly as bad as he is now. There is no reason for Brent Lillibridge to hit the first or second pitch of an AB for an easy flyout. He has to realize his limitations. If he thinks he's going to consistantly crank balls into the seats, he needs to find a new profession.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 28, 2009 -> 11:40 PM) I like it, but don't mind Thome 4th because it should theoretically put someone on base 40 pct of the time for Dye/Konerko. Fields batting 2nd is just stupid, and I feel like he's changed his approach because of it. He's worthless if he's just a slap hitter. When Thome is drawing walks he starts hitting homers in bunches. There are obviously times when I can strike him out, but we all have to hope he sees the ball well for long stretches this season.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Apr 28, 2009 -> 11:47 PM) Alexei hit the ball hard today, and he'll always be the type of player who will look good for one at bat and look foolish the next. Right now, I'd say he's our best option in the 2 hole. He's been putting the ball in play and adds more speed to the top of the lineup. Anorexei is looking a little better at the plate for sure.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 28, 2009 -> 11:45 PM) Miller's done an incredible job behind the plate....no issues with him so far. An 0-30 or so is just around the corner. The problem is, unless Flowers is called up, there is no obvious better option in the system and calling up Flowers to play part time is not wise.

Broadway or Owens or Miller or Lillibridge. None are major league players. I think it probably will be Owens the first out, followed by Broadway. For some reason, Ozzie and a portion of soxtalk think Lillibridge brings something to the table and perhaps he does as a pinch runner. He would be on base far more as a pinch runner than he would be as someone who actually had to earn his way on base. He sucks offensively. One of the worst offensive players on a major league roster IMO.

The first game tonight, the line-up with Owens leading off and Miller and Lillibridge at the bottom was weak. In the second game, you were facing a top tier pitcher and had BA leading off. Sorry, that is a line-up that isn't supposed to score runs. No one should be shocked. If Quentin, Dye and/or Konerko don't come up big on Tuesday night, there's nothing much left.

QUOTE (goblue5699 @ Apr 28, 2009 -> 07:27 PM) Marquez gave up 6 in the first inning and has walked 4 through two innings. Marquez is garbage, and the sooner the White Sox admit it, the better. You really don't want them messing around promoting him like they have done Broadway the next couple of years. The chances of major league success is just above zero.

I just found out the secret to actually not being too bothered when the White Sox get blown out----Jim Beam Club. Its more than outstanding.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Apr 28, 2009 -> 11:25 AM) Rush! Isn't a 24" sammich a bit over doing it?! Seriously. Of course. But its only $26.

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Apr 28, 2009 -> 10:58 AM) Has there ever been a time where they push a game time UP? For instance, if the normal start time is 7:11, but there's supposed to be rain coming in around 9, has MLB ever pushed a game up an hour to 6? Just curious. Its probably happened but I can't remember it. It would have to be some major storm though. I have a feeling if Monday night wasn't a half-priced night, tonight would not be a regular DH.

Club level.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 27, 2009 -> 02:01 PM) Well, that's different. Because that's the worst thing for any manager, to tell someone it's all over or they're being traded/released. I am sure he really hated being in that situation with Pablo Ozuna. Guillen has remarked about the difficulty of this aspect of managing on more than one occasion. But I can guarantee if Alexei or Brian have to lead off in the next week, Ozzie will be the one to tell them, not Greg Walker, Joe Cowley or Harold Baines. Pinella talked to Soriano about moving down in the line-up at their convention. I doubt Lou Piniella is afraid of Soriano. This is a man who fought Rob Dibble. I don't know how you can guarantee what Ozzie would say. I don't think Ozzie can guarantee what he would say.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 27, 2009 -> 01:48 PM) Can you imagine Ozzie making a change like that and not doing it personally? Absolutely. Ozzie will be the first to tell you he has others tell players they have been traded or released, or sent to the minors. He cannot do it. I'm not a big Ozzie guy, but I don't consider not having the heart to tell someone something like that to be a bad thing . If BA continues to play like he's been playing, even if his average drops, which is obviously very likely, he won't be replaced. Especially by the likes of Dewayne Wise. Good ABs is all he needs.

QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Apr 27, 2009 -> 07:55 AM) i hate how ozzie makes it seem like wise is an established player or something. wise hasnt done sh** for the sox except hit a few hrs last year and make a great catch this year. he sucked last year, he sucked in ST and he was in the games he did play in this year. he is what he is, a AAA player. theres a reason nobody wanted him and why no one wants him now. he was playing good before he got hurt? b.s. That's the problem I have with it. Its fine saying BA really hasn't established himself, but what will really make this guy better is not having to worry about an 0-8 streak sending him permanently to the bench. BA hasn't earned the full time job yet, but neither had Wise. Still, its a non story until Wise gets back and if Ozzie gives him the starting job back even if BA continues to impress. We really have to wait until then to see if Ozzie was just filling some dead air.