Dick Allen

Apparently Manny isn't hung like a yak.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 7, 2009 -> 09:21 AM) Turico and Van Pelt say the drug was a women's fertility drug, commonly taken when coming off a "cycle" of steroids or PEDs. Bingo. They will spin it still and many will buy it, but why in God's name would he be taking a women's fertility drug for if it wasn't in conjunction with PEDs? There is no doubt in my mind he was able to mask the PED. He just couldn't mask this.

QUOTE (G&T @ May 7, 2009 -> 09:20 AM) He was told in spring training according to the report. And his second test triggered the suspension? He kept taking it. I wonder why? Even Manny's most loyal fans have to know something is up here, and it isn't just his jimmy.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ May 7, 2009 -> 09:18 AM) Nope. If that report is true, it is still Manny's fault for not knowing exactly what is going into his body, but it hardly makes his "crime" comparable to those of others. And on a side not, if that report is true, how many sexual-related jokes are there going to be surrounding Manny now? Looks like he enhanced something This is exactly the "spin" Boras was looking for. He tested positive for it twice according to the article. Isn't he told about a positive test?

QUOTE (Kalapse @ May 7, 2009 -> 09:09 AM) Well he tested positive for a "banned substance" that's been referred to as "non-performance enhancing". So the drug simply contains a substance that is banned by baseball, not a stimulant and not believed to be a baseball performance enhancer. I'm also curious as to who the "source close to Ramirez" is. There's this guy who's name rhymes with "chorus" that's pretty close to Manny. And if he is taking this product, and it did cost him $8.3 million without even a small fight, even being represented by Scott Boras (Gee I wonder if they see what ARods going through and realize some skeletons in Manny's closet would definitely come out) don't some PEDs cause loss of sex drive? Wouldn't it be even funnier than Plaxico Burress having to do time for shooting himself that Manny masks the PED just fine, but takes something else to lessen that particular effect and gets busted for that?

QUOTE (fathom @ May 7, 2009 -> 08:49 AM) When Magglio first started with the Tigers, Boers and Bernstein had KW on the radio, and said "I didn't know that knee surgery would make your foreams so much bigger?" KW gave his creepy little laugh, and said no comment. It was pretty obvious that KW completely agreed with this. Considering KW offered Magglio a contract extension, if he agreed and knew, then he's just as guilty. Maggs was about 25 lbs. lighter his first year with the Tigers vs. his last with the White Sox.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ May 7, 2009 -> 08:43 AM) Yea i'm far from Manny's biggest fan but nice try. There havent even been many who have tested positive. Two I can think of are JC Romero and Mike Cameron. Cameron didn't seem to catch any s*** and Romero actually had some supporters here in that thread that was started about him. So yea, that argument just about went out the window. I do apologize that I am not as cynical about everything as you are though. Those 2 told everyone what it was they were busted for and tried to fight the suspension. Manny, who will probably say what it was once they can spin it enough to make it look like it really was nothing, won't even fight it. He's accepting the suspension and $8.3 million loss. Doesn't sound too innocent to me. But then again, he's been known to want a vacation in the middle of the season before, but usually wants them paid.

I wouldn't doubt if more than half the pitchers in the 90s at least tried PEDs

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ May 7, 2009 -> 08:37 AM) MWAHAHAHAHA. Ramirez comes off as an idiot, so I wouldn't put it past him to take medication from a doctor without first having his agent (or himself) check the banned substances list. His only hope of coming clean is to actually name the medication he took. Has he done that yet? Even if it's potentially embarrassing (such as for some new herpes medication), he has to put things in perspective -- either receive embarrassment from the medication, and it's accompanying condition, or have your entire career questioned. He will come out with it just as soon as Boras and the rest of his team can find enough info on the substance that can make Manny look as innocent as possible.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ May 7, 2009 -> 08:34 AM) I know Frank Thomas passes the eye test, and always has an out due to the football, but i'm very concerned that inevitably someone's going to go after him, or Griffey, or Thome. And we're all going to have to deal with the s***storm that this creates. Too often, we as White Sox fans, are able to remove ourselves from this as fans, i hope it stays this way. He did put on about 45 pounds his first 2 years in MLB. If my wife wouldn't make healthy dinner, I could easily do that.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 7, 2009 -> 08:32 AM) Was Albert Belle's name ever tied into steroids? I think if he was able to continue playing there would have been questions and he wouldn't have answered them because he doesn't answer any questions. He was Corky before Sosa, but his twin brother was bigger than him.

From the si.com article: Ramirez ranks 17th on the all-time home-run list with 533. Eight of those top 17 home run hitters played in what is commonly referred to as the Steroid Era. And six of those eight modern-day sluggers have been associated with performance-enhancing drugs: Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire, Rafael Palmeiro, Rodriguez and Ramirez. The only modern sluggers to have escaped such a connection are Ken Griffey Jr., Frank Thomas and Jim Thome. Nothing we don't know but does go out of its way to mention the 3 White Sox related guys as being considered clean. I would love to have a webcam on Boras' office right now. All his lackeys must be working their asses off for angles to spin this.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ May 7, 2009 -> 08:14 AM) here's an old pic of thome http://badwax.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/...l-jim-thome.jpg I think you can look at the parents as well. Thome's dad is huge. Griffey's body has spread just like his father's. Frank Thomas is supposed to have a couple of 300 lbs. sisters.

Kirstie Alley put on 83 lbs. the last year. She wasn't juicing, he was grazing.

What will be interesting is how the Dodgers handle the option for next year. I believe its a player option. What if Manny comes back and hits .280? I wonder if they will try to fight it.

QUOTE (G&T @ May 7, 2009 -> 08:03 AM) So are you saying that Frank Thomas has paid off Canseco not to talk? Not at all, but Jose has "forgotten" a few things about steroid users who have backed some of his projects. Roger Clemens is one.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ May 7, 2009 -> 08:00 AM) Nice to see you speak for all of us. But i'm going to wait to hear a bit more about it. I'm sorry your hero has been exposed, I'm sure its tough for you, but name one person who has been suspended for 50 games that hasn't lost in the court of public opinion. There have been several who never had a positive test that have lost. Manny is cooked.

QUOTE (G&T @ May 7, 2009 -> 07:58 AM) He seems to know the cleanliness of a lot of players he didn't play with. Canseco can forget a lot of things if you give him some money.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 7, 2009 -> 07:58 AM) I'm not sure that MLB Players still have the right to an appeal for a PED suspension, I think that was a key part of getting Congress off their backs, anyone know more? The espn.com article said he waived his right to appeal. The less info that gets out the better. Boras is orchestrating.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ May 7, 2009 -> 07:55 AM) Statements like this at this point are just laughable to me. Could Manny be lying? Absolutely. But it is an entirely different situation than an A-Rod who admitted to steroid use. All we have on Manny, is that after all this time he finally failed a test. We don't know what the drug is yet, so it is very possible it could have been in a medication that was presecribed to him. I understand the culture of baseball and what the stigma surrounding this past generation of players is, but accusatory statements like this tainting his entire career accomplishments up until this point are way out of whack, IMO. What Manny should do, is release the name of the medication he was prescribed. That way, when the drug that caused the failed test is released, people can cross check it with what Manny said he took. Wouldn't prove anything, but it could certainly help him out in the court of public opinion. Cry for Manny all you want. He's busted. Sorry, he's already lost in the court of public opinion.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ May 7, 2009 -> 07:46 AM) As strange as this may sound, I actually might buy into the doctor excuse. The reason is because Manny has no reason to cheat at this point. He has a $45M contract, he is almost done, he is a sure fire HoF'er, he has a ring, he is already regarded as one of the best right handed hitters of the generation...so whats the point? I can't believe Manny actually cares enough about his performance and how he's perceived to try and get an edge. Especially since up until now he has been "clean". I just feel if he was juicing, he would have been caught before, or at the very least would have stopped. Why wasnt he caught 2 years ago? Or last year? Why all of a sudden just right now? It just doesnt make sense to me, which is why I will wait to hear his official excuse in detail. The docor excuse was authored by Scott Boras. Read Manny's apology and then listen to Manny speak and tell me they are from the same person. Its spin city. Why wouldn't Manny appeal which is his right? He has every reason to cheat. A big year can make him a ton of money as he is on a 1 year contract with an option. He also has been known not to have the greatest work ethic in the world. PED's provide a shortcut.

LMAO. The thing is there are a ton of guys who have never tested positive who cheated. Most likely several names that would shock us. Manny is a fraud of the highest proportions, it shouldn't shock anyone he took shortcuts.

I'll take Mike. LeBron is awesome, bigger and stronger than MJ, but there is only one MJ.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxfan1986 @ May 6, 2009 -> 08:49 PM) This sucks. Yea, let's give up my number to a s***ty player who should be our 4th outfielder soon. I would be extremely pissed if I bought a Fields jersey. They had to do something to help KW's prediction that Josh Fields would have the most jerseys sold this year. Changing his number helps. The Fields family has to go back to the store.

Fields is changing to 7 giving Pods 22.