“I don’t want to say he’s my ace, but he’s one of the top pitchers right now in the big leagues, and he continued to throw the ball well,” Guillen said.

 

Gotta love Gavin striking out seven and walking none and not allowing a run til the late bomb. Nice outing.

 

Forgot to mention that comment was in Mark Gonzales' game story on today's rout.

Edited April 20, 200917 yr by greg775

I predicted before the year started that Gavin would win 20 and contend for the Cy Young Award

I don't really agree with him that he's one of the top pitcher in the majors since he's the 3rd best pitcher on this staff, but it's hard to deny that Gavin has been pretty good. Hopefully that dreadful start against Detroit was an aberration.

I don't really agree with him that he's one of the top pitcher in the majors since he's the 3rd best pitcher on this staff, but it's hard to deny that Gavin has been pretty good. Hopefully that dreadful start against Detroit was an aberration.

If he's the third best pitcher on this staff, we are going to have a damn good year.

 

And I'm not diminishing anyone on the staff when I say this - I mean it in the way that says we have a tremendous 1-3 then.

 

If Count and Colon can pitch well and win 25 games between them, then we are REALLY going to have a good year.

Remember the days when we were terrified of starting a season with BOTH Danks and Floyd on the roster as though that were a death sentence?

 

Yeah, me neither. Screw those days.

I don't really agree with him that he's one of the top pitcher in the majors since he's the 3rd best pitcher on this staff, but it's hard to deny that Gavin has been pretty good. Hopefully that dreadful start against Detroit was an aberration.

He's the best pitcher on this staff.

He's the best pitcher on this staff.

 

Danks is the man.

He's the best pitcher on this staff.

He has the best stuff on the staff. I'll give him that.

 

He's still missing a bit of consistency.

 

Right now, I see Danks starting and I figure "Score 2 and we'll probably win." I see Floyd starting and think "if he's on, score 1 and we probably win...if he's not, then we need 5 or 6".

He has the best stuff on the staff. I'll give him that.

 

He's still missing a bit of consistency.

 

Right now, I see Danks starting and I figure "Score 2 and we'll probably win." I see Floyd starting and think "if he's on, score 1 and we probably win...if he's not, then we need 5 or 6".

Completely agree with you assessment.

thank you Mark Buehrle, for teaching Danks how to bury that cutter in on the righthanders. Plus, he just pitches with the air of a badass.

In terms of stuff on the staff i'd say: Floyd (for the Curve), Danks, Buehrle, Colon, Contreras. Floyd's issue has always been confidence, it's an incredible testament to Ozzie and Coop that they managed to instill it into this kid.

I'm glad hes locked up on a very reasonable contract.

In terms of stuff on the staff i'd say: Floyd (for the Curve), Danks, Buehrle, Colon, Contreras. Floyd's issue has always been confidence, it's an incredible testament to Ozzie and Coop that they managed to instill it into this kid.

 

Really? If Contreras' forkball is on...he's devastating. Colon should be last on that list. He's not a stuff guy anymore.

He's the best pitcher on this staff.

There's a reason Danks didn't accept the same deal as Floyd when it was offered to him. He's a better pitcher than Floyd, just look at their years last year. Danks had a higher K/9, lower BB/9 (and as a result, a better K/BB), lower HR/9, and higher ERA+. He did all of this while being 2 years younger than Floyd. Sure, Floyd won 5 more games, but that has to do with Gavin getting a run and a half more per game than Danks (5.9 to 4.3). And anyway, wins are a worthless stat to evaluate individual pitcher performance.

 

I'll also point out that Floyd was incredibly lucky last season (.259 BABIP compared to Danks' .295), something that likely won't continue in future seasons.

Edited April 20, 200916 yr by Felix

He's the best pitcher on this staff.

 

I still think that Danks is better. He just needs to throw less pitches and pitch deeper into games.

I don't care which one is better, just glad we have them both.

I don't care which one is better, just glad we have them both.

I say lets graft them together and make them one super ambidextrous pitcher.

I say lets graft them together and make them one super ambidextrous pitcher.

only if mister super ambidextrous pitcher has twice the stamina and can pitch 2 days out of every 5. then i'm so down.

There's a reason Danks didn't accept the same deal as Floyd when it was offered to him. He's a better pitcher than Floyd, just look at their years last year. Danks had a higher K/9, lower BB/9 (and as a result, a better K/BB), lower HR/9, and higher ERA+. He did all of this while being 2 years younger than Floyd. Sure, Floyd won 5 more games, but that has to do with Gavin getting a run and a half more per game than Danks (5.9 to 4.3). And anyway, wins are a worthless stat to evaluate individual pitcher performance.

 

I'll also point out that Floyd was incredibly lucky last season (.259 BABIP compared to Danks' .295), something that likely won't continue in future seasons.

 

I'll also point out that he was freakishly lucky in the first half (.218), but that averaged out well in the second half (.304). In that second half, his K rate increased slightly (from 6.0 to 6.7) but his K/BB almost doubled (from 1.60 to 3.04), and his HR/9 also decreased slightly too (1.37 to 1.24).

 

And in 3 starts this year, he's been absolutely fantastic in every possible way in 2 starts, and he was terrible in 1 start. I'll give him a little more time, but I still think Floyd is in for a very big year.

Really? If Contreras' forkball is on...he's devastating. Colon should be last on that list. He's not a stuff guy anymore.

I'm talking about right now though. Contreras still hasn't shown that forkball this year.

Danks didn't win as many games as Floyd because Danks didn't go as deep into games as Floyd and thus was more reliant on the pen. I think both are great pitchers and have the ability to be front of the rotation guys but I love Gavin Floyd (Danks too for that matter).

Danks

starts: 33

6+ IP: 23 outings

7+ IP: 7 outings

8+ IP: 2 outings

 

starts: 33

avg run support: 4.29

zero runs: 3 outings

0-3 runs: 16 outings

8+ runs: 4 outings

 

Floyd

starts: 33

6+ IP: 25 outings

7+ IP: 11 outings

8+ IP: 3 outings

 

starts: 33

avg run support: 5.90

zero runs: 1 outing

0-3 runs: 8 outings

8+ runs: 9 outings

Danks is the better pitcher, Floyd has better stuff.

Danks

starts: 33

6+ IP: 23 outings

7+ IP: 7 outings

8+ IP: 2 outings

 

starts: 33

avg run support: 4.29

zero runs: 3 outings

0-3 runs: 16 outings

8+ runs: 4 outings

 

Floyd

starts: 33

6+ IP: 25 outings

7+ IP: 11 outings

8+ IP: 3 outings

 

starts: 33

avg run support: 5.90

zero runs: 1 outing

0-3 runs: 8 outings

8+ runs: 9 outings

This is much better than what I was going to show, which was the fact that Danks averaged 6 innings per start last year while Floyd was at 6.3 IP/S.

 

None of this is meant to take anything away from Floyd, who is a good pitcher, but he's not the same class as John Danks.

Edited April 21, 200916 yr by Felix

None of this is meant to take anything away from Floyd, who is a good pitcher, but he's not the same class as John Danks.

 

Can we simply be happy that we're debating whether 24 year old lefty who went 12-9, 195 IP, 3.32 ERA, 159 Ks is better than a 26 year old righty that went 17-8, 3.84 ERA, 145 Ks and that both are off to great starts this year?

 

It'd be like a Lakers fan debating whether Magic, Kobe, or Kareem was the best.