Dick Allen

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 02:27 PM) IMO, the difference between Pena + Delcarmen and the 2 draft picks we'd get if JD simply walked is not huge at all. So anything below that in overall value and I'd have to say you really don't beat the draft picks (Delcarmen was a 2nd round pick, for example, so he'd actually have been the lower of the 2 picks). Who cares where he was drafted. He's in the major leagues and doing well. Albert Pujols was a later round draft pick. I wouldn't want a first rounder instead of him. Look at the White Sox first round pitching selections. I'd take Delcarmen over any of them.

If he accepts arbitration he submits a figure and the White Sox submit a figure. The arbitrator determines which figure is closer to his market value.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 01:38 PM) You are misinterpreting the rule. Dye can't win in arbitration; he is not in his arbitration years and currently under the team's control beyond this year. If the White Sox offer $6 million, he can accept that offer or find a team willing to give him a different contract. Meanwhile, if the White Sox offer Joe Crede arbitration following the season, a contract has to be worked out or they will go to the arbitrator because he has not reached his free agent years yet and is thus still under the team's control. Offering Dye arbitration is an absolute no brainer. If KW doesn't, he should be fired on the spot just because of how absolutely ridiculous it would be not to. I am not misinterpreting the rules. If the White Sox offer arbitration and he accepts it works like any other arbitration. He certainly can win in arbitration. The lowest figure the Sox could offer is a 20% cut, but they would never do that if he accepts, because they would lose. If Dye accepted arbitration he would be considered a signed player and would play either at the figure the White Sox offer or the figure he and his agent throw out there depending on what the arbitrator decides.

BTW any truth to the rumor than Honel quit?

QUOTE(daa84 @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 01:25 PM) just heard on the radio (espn1000) during the eric kasilias (sp?) and screamin a smith show (two of my least favorite people) that reports out of CHICAGO were that dye for manny delcarmen was close....dont know what that means...they didnt even mention willy mo, which worries me, i would hope we would get both guys but it makes sense if the bosox get gagne...also the red sox traded piniero, so they have another spot for an arm in the pen I don't think Piniero was on their roster.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 12:18 PM) Why wouldn't the Sox offer Dye arbitration? Don't you have to offer something like 80 pct of their salary from the year before? I'm sure in a worst-case scenario, we could afford like 6 million on him next year. That's not how it works. They would have to offer arbitration first. If the Sox then submit a $6 million figure in arbitration and Dye asks for $15 million, the arbitrator will figure if Dye is worth more or less than the $10.5 million middle mark of the 2 offers. If he thinks Dye's fair market value is $10,500,000.01 or higher, he would win. He will get $10-12 million easily if he accepted arbitration. You would just hope he signs with someone before you have to determine whether to offer it or not, or be prepared to pay.

This board in general really overstates 2 month rentals who are hitting .230 trade value.

QUOTE(103 mph screwball @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 12:08 PM) I agree. I see no reason not to offer arbitration. If he accepts and he is not part of the plan, then he can be traded. Dye is not Magglio. It was questionable if Maggs was going to be able to run again. Tell Boston to jump in the bay. Why hasn't Mackowiak been traded yet? Dye can't run in the first place. What a lot of insiders are saying is the Sox aren't going to offer Dye arbitration. If that's the case, Pena and $$ is the way to go.

Delcarmen is off the table, and whoever thinks he's mediocre must really think there are at best 4 or 5 decent pitchers alive. A strikeout an inning a WHIP of 1.00, a BAA of .188 an ERA of 2.70 and he throws as hard as anyone on the White Sox. Yeah he sucks. Why would KW trade a guy hitting .230 making $7 million for him?

The Boston writer is going to have a chat at Boston.com at 11 central. He should have good Dye info.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 07:29 AM) Rowand will sign for less than what Gary Matthews Jr did. Last years' contracts were way out of whack and the prices will come down. I doubt it as far as prices coming down. Rowand might get less than GM, certainly not 3 or 4 million a year less. Ichiro is off the market. Hunter is going to get a big pay day. A. Jones has struggled and teams will be reluctant to show him a ton of money for a long time. Rowand is sitting pretty.

Carlos Zambrano in 2007 with Barrett catching him: 2-4, 7.52 ERA, 1.893 WHIP. With anyone else: 12-3, 1.97 ERA, 0.985 WHIP. Jake Peavy in 2007 with Barrett catching him: 0-4, 4.88 ERA, 1.542 WHIP. With anyone else: 10-1, 1.89 ERA, 1.00 WHIP.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 05:59 AM) I could see the sox offering Dye a two yr deal with a 3rd yr option--something along the lines of $7, 8 mill per yr. Either that money will go to Dye or Rowand. Rowand's hitting .330. He will get a lot more than that.

I don't know why people b**** about the return for Iguchi. When the Sox traded Ray Durham, at the time having a pretty good season, they picked up all but the minimum pro-rated on his contract and got back Jon Adkins. Getting someone to eat the contract may give the Sox a better player next year, and you get to see if Richar can play. If he can't, there's always the possibility of Iguchi coming back.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 10:02 PM) .356 OBP, 14 XBH (11 2B, 3 3B), 9 SB and 4 CS. Ick. But Scotty Pods was all world in 2005 when he had 29 XBH and a .351 OBP with a similar steal percentage although a few more.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 07:52 PM) Seems that is likely. Then again, Gustavo was destined for the can anyway. Look for D Lucy to be in Charlotte in the next day or two. As for the 40-man spot... I am psyched to see what might happen. I agree. Pulling the plug on Gustavo means nothing. If anything it prevents Ozzie from crying to KW to recall him next time Toby Hall gets hurt.

All the major league teams stay at the Grand Hyatt.

I don't know. If Dye's numbers don't improve, he will be selling himself low, something he already has done, and I doubt wants to do again. He might be willing to accept 1 year and $10 million in order to try and cash in next year.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 01:49 PM) Isnt Hansen a Boras client, and wasnt their talks that Boras had "the boras team coaches" influencing him on his mechanics, and he has been a shadow of himself since he started down that road. I read an article that the NCAA ball has different seams than the MLB ball and it makes for a nastier slider.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 01:04 PM) Isn't there a reason two teams have not given him a chance to play every day? You could have said the same thing about Paul Konerko when the Sox acquired him.

Pick up Pena. See what he can do in the line-up every day the rest of the season. If he blows, you still save money on the deal and Bowden will take him in a trade.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 12:47 PM) oh god, Pena and Declarman would be awful. Pena is hitting .006 lower than Dye and his OBP is .001 lower than Dye and he makes about $2 million less the next 2 months. Plus you get a guy who is doing better than most in the Sox bullpen. What exactly do you think Dye commands back?

Dye is hitting .006 points better than Pena this season and his OBP is .001 higher. Its worth it with the pitcher and the $ savings. Pull the trigger KW.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jul 30, 2007 -> 11:40 AM) Full report from Boston.com. Olney is saying the same thing. Boston.com now reporting the pitcher is Masterson or Delcarmen.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jul 28, 2007 -> 09:55 PM) Kenny Lofton's not carrying a lineup on his back. Jermaine Dye has the potential to, and he looks like he may be getting back to being able to. There's a huge difference between a guy who can put up an .800 OPS and a guy who can put up a 1.000 OPS. If Dye was having a season like last year, you would be 100% correct. But a GM would be crazy if he gives a top prospect for 2 months of a guy who has hit .230 for 4 months. Dye's OPS is .754 this season. Lofton's is .818.