StrangeSox

This one is for BS. I've been reading this guy's blog lately, he's a law professor at Cornell. He has a review of a new pro-vegan movie, though, and a follow-up today.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 27, 2011 -> 09:14 AM) I just don't see why. Again, it's like a gang member suing the gang leader after he got shot during a bust. You're here illegally, working illegally, and the employer hired you illegally. I have absolutely no beef with enacting harsher penalties on employers for hiring illegals, and even more penalties if they systematically take advantage of illegals. But I don't see how or why illegals should be able to use our system to recover from their illegal acts, regardless of their own illegal mistreatment. Edit: And to me the case of something like criminal mistreatment is entirely different because society has accepted the responsibility of treating you fairly in prison. And criminals in prison DO lose a lot of rights precisely because they are criminals. It's not as if taking away basic access to the courts is an absolute right. You're glossing over the fact that someone else is also breaking the law in these cases. If we assume your client really is in violation of Title VII, why should he get away with illegal activity just because his target was here illegally? Should gang members be immune from prosecution for killing other gang members?

Ongoing case related to illegal immigration and our side-track: Workers who were fired for being illegal immigrants sue Chipotle Workers claim that Chipotle violated labor laws by not paying back-pay quickly enough. I don't see why they shouldn't be afforded the same protections just because they were illegal immigrants (don't know if their case has any merit but that's not relevant).

Also not sure how comparable a burgurlar hurting themselves in the commission of a crime is to an illegal alien having their rights violated. edit: Don't get me wrong, given your description of the case, I understand your annoyance. edit 2: Califorinia seems to have a common-sense solution: can't sue for damages incurred during the commission of a felony. AB 200 was passed in 1985 and is still part of the California Civil Code. 847 reads: “847. (a) An owner, including, but not limited to, a public entity, as defined in Section 811.2 of the Government Code, of any estate or any other interest in real property, whether possessory or nonpossessory, shall not be liable to any person for any injury or death that occurs upon that property during the course of or after the commission of any of the felonies set forth in subdivision (b) by the injured or deceased person. (b) The felonies to which the provisions of this section apply are the following: (1) Murder or voluntary manslaughter; (2) mayhem; (3) rape; (4) sodomy by force, violence, duress, menace, or threat of great bodily harm; (5) oral copulation by force, violence, duress, menace, or threat of great bodily harm; (6) lewd acts on a child under the age of 14 years; (7) any felony punishable by death or imprisonment in the state prison for life; (8) any other felony in which the defendant inflicts great bodily injury on any person, other than an accomplice, or any felony in which the defendant uses a firearm; (9) attempted murder; (10) assault with intent to commit rape or robbery; (11) assault with a deadly weapon or instrument on a peace officer; (12) assault by a life prisoner on a noninmate; (13) assault with a deadly weapon by an inmate; (14) arson; (15) exploding a destructive device or any explosive with intent to injure; (16) exploding a destructive device or any explosive causing great bodily injury; (17) exploding a destructive device or any explosive with intent to murder; (18) burglary; (19) robbery; (20) kidnapping; (21) taking of a hostage by an inmate of a state prison; (22) any felony in which the defendant personally used a dangerous or deadly weapon; (23) selling, furnishing, administering, or providing heroin, cocaine, or phencyclidine (PCP) to a minor; (24) grand theft as defined in Sections 487 and 487a of the Penal Code; and (25) any attempt to commit a crime listed in this subdivision other than an assault…”

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 27, 2011 -> 08:40 AM) So why is the robber scenario frivolous? Because that's the same thing. "Just because he did something illegal doesn't mean negligence should be excused." I don't know the details of either case, but I feel confident in saying that employers shouldn't have carte blanche to treat illegals like s*** because "hey, they're already criminals!" FYI, criminals have rights too! It's true! edit: I also have a feeling most of those "Criminals sue would-be victims!" cases are like the "ZOMG McDonalds sued because dumb customer burned themselves!" in that the facts in the little snippets are heavily distorted and mask the actual merit of the case. Also, can we find any verifiable stories of the situation you described happening? I can't.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 27, 2011 -> 08:05 AM) No one was going to break the encryption.

convenient timing, real get out.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 26, 2011 -> 10:11 PM) Rose shoulda been doing that the whole series. why? hasn't been getting calls

meltdown

YOU.SUCK LOL

QUOTE (daa84 @ May 26, 2011 -> 09:50 PM) lol. says the guy who has done nothing but dispute every bulls fan who is b****ing about the refs felix isn't saying anything ridiculous, he's just not a bulls fan.

QUOTE (Felix @ May 26, 2011 -> 09:40 PM) No, that'd be shots. lol

Then he should be able to get it tossed on those grounds or the fact that its BS. Discrimination shouldn't be excused because the guy did other bad things, that's irrelevant.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 26, 2011 -> 04:58 PM) Nope, just being realistic. Immigrants normally have a lot of children without the means to pay for all of them. Doesn't matter what their intent is, it's that they're here, they have multiple children, and they need public assistance to support their families. Well just about every economic study I've seen shows a net positive so I dunno what you're basing that on. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impa...s_against_Costs

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 26, 2011 -> 04:56 PM) I agree with this, and that's why I support a lot of what Arizona is doing. Punish the hell out of businesses that do it and the problem corrects itself pretty quickly. But that brings up its own problems that I've pointed out where immigrants end up being discriminated against, intentionally or not, because it's more risky to hire them.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 26, 2011 -> 04:54 PM) Well, I did make that statement together with my story so.... Your statement was broad and general, applying to all 'criminals' and all 'suits', not whatever this particular guy was suing over. What was his suit that you don't think he should be able to bring since he's a criminal?

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 26, 2011 -> 04:53 PM) The first bolded is crap. Not every illegal alien is some poor mexican making 5 bucks a day. They're everyday people you see on the streets, working blue and white collar jobs. Often for sub-standard wages compared to legal workers. You can do population statistics without needing to know every single person and come up with a reasonable approximation. Only if you buy into the "immigrants are leeches on society who come here to get welfare" crap.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 26, 2011 -> 04:49 PM) There's a difference between protections and proactively using the courts for their own benefit. This is akin to a burglar filing a civil suit against the person he stole from from because during the robbery he slipped and fell on the floor and broke a leg. It's idiotic. Complaints about frivolous lawsuits are quite a bit different from your broad statement that you feel physically ill that criminals can file suit. edit: to be fair, you didn't say what that suit was over, and I may be over-reacting to a statement that seems horrific on its face but isn't what you intended.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 26, 2011 -> 04:47 PM) Because they are taking jobs that regular citizens cant taken. if a business is paying an illegal $2 an hour, they arent going to hire a non-illegal for $8, they just wont hire anyone. Good. We shouldn't reward businesses who are profiting by exploiting poor immigrants. If their business model relies on enriching themselves by paying employees sub-standard wages and relying on their fear of being deported, they should go out of business. And maybe be hanged.

People who commit crimes deserve no legal protections, civil or criminal? You're really reinforcing and supporting the idea that businesses actively exploit illegal immigrants because they will be less likely to pursue legal recourse. Please, expand on your idea that criminals should not be able to file suit.

The NYSE is claiming that any pictures of the trading floor are their IP and you need to give them dollars to use them.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 26, 2011 -> 04:36 PM) I find it sickening that he can still file a suit despite being a criminal. Jesus Christ do you not understand how our legal system works and, more importantly, why?

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ May 26, 2011 -> 04:31 PM) I went to do this too and after "Lebron wo" the second auto fill option was Lebron worships the devil. Truth. Spread the word.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 26, 2011 -> 04:28 PM) YES!!! VICTORY! Like I said earlier, I think it's the perception that, given his physical talents, he should be even better than he currently is. If that were true, the only explanation would be a lack of effort. Plus, you throw in all the douchey partying and it makes it look like he cares more about the lifestyle and attention than being 100% focused on winning.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 26, 2011 -> 04:24 PM) Well Steve the original poster compared him to Rose and I merely pointed out that Lebron is more like Jordan than Rose (in personality). Not sure how this is such a shocking development considering that Lebron wants to be MJ. Comparing any superstar to Rose is a bad comparison because he's a huge anomaly.