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QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 02:35 PM) The Bears have to defend him, so take their statements with a grain of salt. Also, the MRI doesn't sound too good for the Cutler couldn't have kept playing crowd. However, Cutler's history of toughness is definitely there though, and I think it's the one thing that is keeping a lot of people like me relatively neutral on the issue, but still questioning what happened. Why doesn't the MRI sound good for the "yeah, he really was injured" group? It confirms that he was injured. We don't know the degree yet.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 02:35 PM) Youre basically exactly what Im talking about. Are you capable of taking part in a constructive conversation? Please just ignore my posts and let me finishing having a discussion with the other people. I'm sorry, I just can't agree at all that there's nothing to back up my position that Jay's getting a hugely unreasonable amount of s*** in this situation.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 02:33 PM) How many times do we have to make the distinction that it is his attitude coupled with the injury that may have caused him to back out of the game? Hi, you're assuming your conclusion that Jay took himself out or expressed a desire to be pulled.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 02:27 PM) I still dont know how I feel about all of it and I am mostly playing devils advocate, but the people calling the anyone who questions Cutlers toughness an idiot or meatball are ridiculous. Youre reaching for excuses just as much as the other side is and are basically proclaiming yourselves right with nothing to back it up. Nothing to back it up? Statements from the coaches saying it was their and the medical staff's decisions. A positive MRI. Cutler's history, or lack thereof, of being soft or weak. What is there to back up questioning his toughness? "Oh, he didn't look injured on the sidelines!"

How does an MRI indicating an MCL sprain derail anyone pushing back against the ridiculous criticism of Cutler here?

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 02:22 PM) And since you didn't see it on TV, and one of his teammates made up an excuse for him, it must be true! I can do that, too. That's not how it works. What reason do I have to doubt Hanie, aside from meatball incredulity and the desire to call Cutler a p****?

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 02:20 PM) I can credit you for keeping my nerves in check, too...but did you? Every shot I saw of cutler on the sidelines he did none of those things. He was riding a bike. Talking to trainers. Sitting on a bench with his coat on. Sitting on the bench with his coat on with headphones on. Walking around. Sitting on the bench again. Granted the cameras weren't on him for 30 minutes, but every time they were, he wasn't talking to the backups, he wasn't doing anything. So I'm not buying it. Oh ok. We've got one of the QB's giving him credit, but since you didn't see it on TV, it must be bulls***!

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 02:20 PM) He did. There was also one point where they did show those two going over plays together on the sidelines but people seem to forget that for some reason. Chronic meatballitis.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 02:16 PM) No, because he didn't. Never saw him on the sidelines talking to either backup, never saw him reviewing pictures with them, or micing himself up and wearing a headset to assist like every other #1 QB that goes down does. I also don't care and at this point I'm just stirring the pot. I thought Hanie credited Cutler with helping him keep his nerves in check?

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 02:16 PM) Yes this is basically what Im trying to say. Its not just the "meatball" fans who are curious about why this injury kept him out. The group that is criticizing him more then anyone else are current and former NFL players, some of which have had similar injuries. I wouldnt have expected to hear anything different from the Bears camp but to me it sounds like the coaching staff is covering for him, which they should be. Most of the people who are criticizing him started well before anything was known other than that Cutler wasn't playing.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 01:49 PM) And people tear things all the time. You tear connective tissue and ligament fibers from stretching alone. Just because there was tearing, doesn't mean it was some terribly debilitating injury. Ultimately, none of us will know, because we are not Jay. But jeesh, as Ptatc mentioned, they certainly didn't seem to concerned about treating him on the sidelines. They cared enough to pull him from the game.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 01:47 PM) So the media questioned Lovie why Collins was 2nd string over Hanie? That's the biggest coaching issue that came from yesterday, and one that was pretty inexcusable after the Panthers game. Yes, typical Lovie non-answer about how he likes their QB evaluation. He slipped a little bit at the end and admitted that they wanted a veteran at #2.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 01:41 PM) Thanks, I probably have a better insight of medical stuff on this board (besides ptatc). To say the MCL is completely torn is wrong. I'd love to know what B&B have to say about this now. They're in complete meltdown mode, thanks in large part to people saying stupid s*** like "Cutler is a p****!" and not understanding what "sprain" means.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 12:18 PM) No, that was just a terrible pass by Cutler. Watch the replay. Hester clearly slows up at one point. Not sure he'd have gotten even if he didn't, but he slowed the route.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 11:30 AM) Reports are out that Cutler tore his MCL on the 2nd to last series of the 1st half. Which means he played as many as 3 series with a torn MCL. I'd say that takes some sort of toughness to do. Also, there are reports that Cutler lobbied to stay in the game but the medical staff deemed him unable to play. So I'd say he played 3 series hurt before the medical staff and Bears collectively decided that he wasn't healthy enough to play and that was it. Yeah, well, if Cutler wasn't such a p****, his MCL wouldn't have torn to begin with!

ptact could correct me, but I believe you can still have some mobility with partially torn ligaments in the knee. you just won't be able to do much of anything with that leg, certainly not run and throw. I'm withholding any judgement against Cutler until we really know what happened. As a rule, I don't take anything reported via twitter to be anything more than wild speculation.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Jan 23, 2011 -> 06:18 PM) Cutler took himself out. Are you seriously saying lovie shouldve risked collins throwing an int? The.bears had no chance with collins. Props for lovie recognizing that early enough They ran it twice with Hanie in the 3rd. No excuse for that terrible 3rd and 3 play, either.

The terrible field conditions are a national story/joke. again.

Guys, guys, the real kicker is

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 19, 2011 -> 01:27 PM) http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/...-with-espn.html Strikes me as a gigantic conflict. ESPN being their loudest cheerleader basically guarantees that Texas will remain relevant on a national scale. Gottleib spent a while on his show Wednesday trying to claim that it wasn't. It was a pretty bad argument. He also asserted that this will help all Big 12 schools because a "rising tide lifts all boats," but he never explained how the massive funding advantage for Texas really will benefit others.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 21, 2011 -> 02:19 PM) He did? And the review by a private company would never happen. Neither party would give up that control/opportunity to ridicule the other side. I don't know why they should, either. We don't elect politicians to blindly follow 3rd party think-tank recommendations. And I don't know how you'd ever get something agreed to--Republicans would always want something like CATO or Heritage, Democrats would always want (insert liberal version, drawing a blank)

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 21, 2011 -> 02:10 PM) That's an....interesting picture there. Not to be morbid or anything, but does anyone know exactly where/how she was shot through the head?

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 21, 2011 -> 02:06 PM) I dunno how cutting money from the budget in this fashion isn't a positive on some level. Is it the best way to do it? No. But we're dealing with the government here. Every dollar is necessary will always be the argument. I'd agree with a plan that can look department by department and put a percentage based on that. Wanna talk about a campaign promise that has NEVER been done - "i'll go through the budget, line by line, and make cuts." It's probably too impractical to do that. One side will find X line important, but the other won't. We all know this is just posturing. But it'll (hopefully) start a national discussion. It's not perfect, but it's a start. this is a fair point. When you target specific programs, people can rally to oppose those specific cuts and come up with concrete examples of what bad things will happen if cuts are made. When you make blanket, untargeted cuts at the political level (and let the employee-level people handle it), it's harder to oppose anything in specific.

Ok, I wasn't arguing against reasonable, analytical cuts or increasing efficiencies. I was arguing against ATB cuts as lazy and less effective than targeted cuts, to the point of being harmful and damaging to overall operational capabilities.

QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Jan 21, 2011 -> 01:57 PM) By his criteria the RedSox/Yankee rivalry wasn't real until this past decade. By his definition rivalry is defined as "what ESPN currently hypes the most"