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QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Aug 14, 2012 -> 11:26 AM) Balta, I think you missed the part where it says they tried to rush the stage. That is a bit more than heckling. According to USA Today it is 'spirited'! I did miss substantiation for the claim that they tried to rush the stage! http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/1660129...ort=newestfirst http://www.mediaite.com/tv/paul-ryans-iowa...st-keep-coming/

She's generally well-liked in liberal circles, yes.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 14, 2012 -> 11:26 AM) I thought if you didn't go to an accredited school, you then have to sit for the baby bar first. Passing that, "accredites" you so to speak and then you are eligible to sit for the full bar. I would assume if it works in California it would work that way in most other states (especially since they are known, along with New York, to have one of the hardest bar exams). California allows a non-JB backdoor, but they're one of the exceptions, not the norm. Jenks or others can comment more, but I think you have to have an ADA-accredited JD to sit in Illinois.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 14, 2012 -> 11:22 AM) Yep. It is down right fraudelent. And it happens most often at the less accredited law-schools. They are able to poach on people who are aspiring to be the first "professional" in the family and dupe a lot of people into making decisions based upon inaccurate information/facts. It happens at schools like Rutgers too.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 14, 2012 -> 11:20 AM) It's absolutely shady, but colleges and universities do the same thing. Here's an example from the NYSL who had a case against them dismissed earlier this year. http://abovethelaw.com/2012/03/breaking-cl...hool-dismissed/

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 14, 2012 -> 11:15 AM) I'll be honest, I'm surprised more people don't say, forget it. I'll study on my own, take the baby bar, and then take the big bar. Note: I have no idea if this is allowable, but two of my lawyer friends indicated that you absolutely do not have to go to law school to become an attorney. And if I were a prospective employer, I'd be pretty damn impressed by someone who was able to achieve that certification independently. Maybe they don't land the top job, but they would be debt free and in a pretty good position. This is pretty limited. Most states require you to have an ABA-accredited JD to sit for the bar.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 14, 2012 -> 11:14 AM) To be fair to the law schools, they're doing nothing different than colleges. I'm not sure it's their responsibility on applications to warn people that the job market sucks. The job market sucks for everything. They're deliberately obscuring the facts, though. Like when they report the average debt-load for graduates, they only include the third year. Or when they report employment rates, they include law-school-funded clerk jobs paying $15/hour or less. Campos documented both of those recently.

None of this is a defense of Ryan's "plan" thus far. QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 14, 2012 -> 10:53 AM) Tax on capital gains and interest is ludicrous to begin with, but I agree at least in today's economy it's a bad move to totally get rid of it. Again, i'm fine upping the capital gains and interest tax for those people that make a certain threshold of money from their investments (i.e., hitting the rich, not your middle class investor). And hopefully that gets ironed out of whatever budget plan eventually gets passed. Tax on capital gains and interest is not ludicrous; income is income. But Ryan would like to eliminate them along with the estate tax. Wealthy heirs would be able to live tax-free for generations under such a plan. What about science funding? Medical research? Technological research and development? Education? Pell grants? FDA? Any of the other social programs that could not realistically be handled at the state level (because many states are net-takers from the wealthy states)? Environmental regulations, especially those that cannot be contained to one-state areas? Etc. etc. etc. A nation of only infrastructure and defense is not a modern, functional state and would be demolished in the world economy. Hell, it didn't work in the 18th century. But I don't want a discussion of the Jenks Path to Prosperity to obscure discussion of Ryan's plan.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 14, 2012 -> 11:02 AM) Wow. The median starting law school salary was that low? I would have never in a million years ever guessed that. Most of the law schools out here (whether you are the best school in the country or the freaking worse (e.g., Thomas Jefferson school of Law in San Diego), you are going to end up paying almost 300K (including room/board) to get your degree. If that meant I'm landing a job at 43K, holy hell, that is a long long long time before I can pay that thing off. Only something like 1/3 of ABA-accredited law school graduates actually land a job that requires an ABA-accredited law degree out of school. There's been a bunch of people in the blogosphere, both left and right and otherwise (e.g. Volokh, Paul Campos) documenting how expensive law school has become, how bad the prospects for graduates are and how much the colleges hide the true facts from prospective students.

The UC system, one of the greatest public university systems in the world, have had to slash budgets in recent years.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 14, 2012 -> 08:26 AM) Ha, Best Lefty in Sports History conversation by ESPN Parody is dead.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 14, 2012 -> 09:45 AM) Edit: and i'm not saying i agree with the plan as proposed. There are things I don't like (more military spending, less taxing the rich). Not "less taxing the rich," NO taxing the rich. Romney himself said that his tax rate would be less than 1% under Ryan's plan. At the same time, his cuts would overwhelmingly hit the poorest Americans the hardest and wouldn't be kind to the middle class either. Is your vision of government one limited almost solely to Social Security, Medicare and Defense? Because that's all that Ryan's budget leaves down the road in order to finally balance* thanks to his massive tax cuts. *still relies on magic unemployment and trillions in unspecified cuts and tax expenditure eliminations, though

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 14, 2012 -> 09:45 AM) Because he's the only one that has come up with any plan, even if it's not a perfect one? It's not a real plan. That's the point. The numbers simply don't make any sense at all. How can anyone seriously say that a "deficit reduction plan" that slashes marginal tax rates and completely eliminates capital gains, dividends and inheritance taxes (generational taxless aristocracy!) is a real plan at all? It relies on reaching and sustaining 2.8% unemployment, for christ's sake. The only thing it is is a tool to cut safety net programs they don't like and to eliminate taxes for the wealthiest Americans. It's his childish Randianism in budget-form, not a serious proposal. Additionally, it's simply not true that he's the only one that has come up with a plan. You may not agree with it, but it exists. I make no claims for the coherence of this plan as I haven't read it, but it is another plan. Here is an independent analysis of the plan. I'll note that their plan becomes balanced in 2016, one year after "current law" but much, much sooner than Ryan's proposal (sometime in the 2030's after our magic unemployment rates).

Understanding the Ryan plan I really don't get why the media fauns over Ryan as some sort of serious intellectual budget wonk. His "plan" relies on magic numbers, hilarious unemployment rates, massive unspecified spending cuts, massive unspecified tax expenditure cuts and, on top of all of that, expansionary defense spending and elimination of taxes for the .1%.

QUOTE (Cknolls @ Aug 14, 2012 -> 09:28 AM) Not the same but ok if it makes you feel better. Did they interrupt the smartest President ever? Not sure why it's not the same but... QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 14, 2012 -> 08:00 AM) Yeah, thankfully we don't have any examples of actual people directly associated with the Romney campaign trying to disrupt Obama campaign events. Otherwise, the outcry would be enormous. I mean, could you imagine if they had something like the official campaign bus driving around constantly honking their horn at multiple different Obama events? That'd put the official campaign on the same level as these numbskulls. It'd just be pathetic. The media would be all over it, it'd be the number one story for weeks. Especially if they kept doing it. I mean, after that, if anyone voted for Romney, they'd just be tolerating that kind of bizarre, childish behavior. Tolerating the intolerant, someone might call it. Thankfully, I can't find any evidence of that ever happening and I entirely made it up. While the campaign bus thing is childish, I don't have a problem with citizens expressing their opinions to their elected officials even rudely and disruptively.

The rocket capacity needs to be dramatically increased above the Saturn V, right?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 14, 2012 -> 08:00 AM) Yeah, thankfully we don't have any examples of actual people directly associated with the Romney campaign trying to disrupt Obama campaign events. Otherwise, the outcry would be enormous. I mean, could you imagine if they had something like the official campaign bus driving around constantly honking their horn at multiple different Obama events? That'd put the official campaign on the same level as these numbskulls. It'd just be pathetic. The media would be all over it, it'd be the number one story for weeks. Especially if they kept doing it. I mean, after that, if anyone voted for Romney, they'd just be tolerating that kind of bizarre, childish behavior. Tolerating the intolerant, someone might call it. Thankfully, I can't find any evidence of that ever happening and I entirely made it up. Republicans complaining about Democrats interrupting townhall meetings is hilarious.

QUOTE (Cknolls @ Aug 14, 2012 -> 07:28 AM) The intolerance of the supposed tolerant. Hey we just went over how silly this is:

What Ryan's budget would cut: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-k...nd-by-how-much/

I seem to remember quite a lot of heckling and harassment at Congressional events in 2010.

QUOTE (farmteam @ Aug 12, 2012 -> 08:34 AM) Please tell me you're kidding.... Also, condoms should be like donuts. I hand you the money, you hand me the condoms. No need to bring ink and paper into this. I bought a doughnut and they gave me a receipt for the doughnut. I don't need a receipt for the doughnut. I'll just give you the money, and you give me the doughnut, end of transaction. We don't need to bring ink and paper into this. I just can't imagine a scenario where I would have to prove that I bought a doughnut. Some skeptical friend: "Don't even act like I didn't get that doughnut! I got the documentation right here...oh, wait it's at home...in the file...under "D", for "doughnut."

I don't care that (an editorial by a frequent NRO contributor published by) Forbes says I'm wrong. Changing Medicare to a voucher program that ends up costing seniors thousands of dollars more a year out-of-pocket because you've chained it to CPI means you're ending Medicare. That he includes "left-leaning" Politifact's hilarious "Lie of the Year" declaration as support should tell you exactly how serious to take him. Ryan's 2011 budget plan ends Medicare, plain and simple, though it does so over time. And Wyden is explicitly rejecting the attempts to link him to Ryan.

QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 12, 2012 -> 09:53 PM) I remember my public schools teaching that what we did to Germany would likely now be considered a war crime. Yay for realistic public school history education. The Dresden fire bombings were pretty awful.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 11, 2012 -> 01:24 PM) Emphasis mine via I'd take that with as much seriousness as the quadrannial "reports" that find whoever the Democratic candidate is is the most liberal person ever. edit: He's a self-admitted Randroid, but I wouldn't paint him into the same corner as Bachmann. She's in a special world of crazy.

I'd recommend generally skipping editorials in newspapers because they're typically really dumb polemics and not honest analysis.