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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 12, 2013 -> 11:10 AM) I think JJ definitely was ahead of his skis. From all accounts the Bears have their final interviews this week. Supposedly Trestman, Sullivan and McCoy are the top 3 I read yesterday morning that they had just interviewed Clements Thursday night, were going to interview Darrell Bevell Friday, and Bruce Arians over the weekend...so maybe that list is fluid still.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 12, 2013 -> 10:56 AM) Well, Trestman shot down Jimmy Johnsons tweet. Wouldnt that suck for Trestman if he lost the job opportunity because JJ couldnt keep his mouth shut? That's what I was telling my friend yesterday morning...either Trestman has the job or JJ just ruined any chance he had at getting it...

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 11, 2013 -> 10:05 PM) I hope your AFC picks aren't locked Yeah, Denver is playing Baltimore and NE is playing Houston

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jan 11, 2013 -> 06:49 PM) Damn, I'm out of time...and Reddy is one of the people I really like having arguments with. I have to go to BW3's shortly and eat a bunch of chicken wings. Poor chickens. Oh well, I'll get over it. What oasis of humanity do you live in where they have BW3's! Must be an affluent white paradise!

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jan 11, 2013 -> 06:40 PM) AND that McDonalds costs less than vegetables. You, of all people, should know we need to take lifestyle into this equation as well. Why do you suppose hispanics have such a high life expectancy? One guess of mine, anyways, would be that they probably work in jobs that require more labor. Instead of sitting on their asses in offices all day, they are on their feet doing things, lifting things, burning more calories and fat, raising their heart rates, using their muscles, etc. I could be wrong, but that would be a guess. Historically, humans have had much more active lifestyles because they had to. If you burn 3000-5000 calories a day, guess what? You can eat a lot more meat and fat and get away with it than a person who sits in an office all day. Now when you get into the modern diets built on processed foods, this starts to become problematic regardless of your activity levels, but it still certainly helps if your job requires you to live a more active lifestyle.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jan 11, 2013 -> 06:15 PM) There is no country in which more is available to a person than this one. We waste more food in a year than most developed countries consume. What we need to do is stop spreading misinformation. I'm not saying education wouldn't help...but let's not pretend it doesn't exist. Let's not pretend that in some cases it's even necessary. You don't need a PHD to understand that a fatty slab of meat is worse for you than a plate of vegetables. This is excuse making at it's WORST. Most people, INCLUDING poor people, know what's good for them. They simply don't care. And you making excuses for them to not care is actually part of the problem. I agree. Tell me that someone in some of the more impoverished areas of THE CITY OF CHICAGO cannot buy vegetables instead of McDonald's, and I don't think you could possibly convince me of that. I think it goes back to the earlier point that this is simply not a priority for them. They have more pressing concerns than heart disease in 30 years.

The stein holding contest at Hofbrau House, drunken karaoke singing at Dino's, wild stripper dancing at the Spearmint Rhino, and beer pong at Commonwealth! Oh, and the NFL playoffs.

I did know he also interviewed with the Browns.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Jan 11, 2013 -> 02:05 PM) He had the opportunity to be the OC in Nawlins with Sean Payton but turned it down. He's happy in Canada, I don't think he comes back unless he gets the keys to the ship. Interesting...well, this definitely makes me a bit more intrigued...but personally I would still rather take the chance on McCoy...

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Jan 11, 2013 -> 01:55 PM) Ya at the very least he needs a chance and I'd love for it to be with the Bears. He was too much knowledge to be wasted over in Canada....I hope he's the guy they hire. It seems to me that taking an OC position in the NFL would be a more logical step than a HC?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 11, 2013 -> 11:28 AM) Just like Jim Harbaugh never would have had to settle coaching San Diego State and Stanford, right? The Bills hired a college coach who went 25-25 from a mediocre football school in a weak football conference and I'm ecstatic about the hire because of his reputation around the league and, honestly, how hotly pursued he was. Does it mean success? Not at all, but he's already brought in Pettine from the Jets who, even though Rex Ryan felt otherwise, still had a top 10 defense this year and were consistently in the top 5-10 under his reign. I honestly think, with a search process this extensive and lengthy, I think if he were hired, you'd have to atleast hold off judgment. But Jim Harbaugh was a new coach...he was developing his career in a new field. This guy has been around the block for 30 years now.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 11, 2013 -> 11:30 AM) I could care less about the other stuff but this made me laugh At least he is smart enough to recognize what a problem he is for a coaching staff to deal with...you want to talk about a "coach killer."

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 11, 2013 -> 11:20 AM) Head coaches are a crapshoot regardless of where they come from. I don't see the CFL as that different than picking a coach from college. Marv Levy was a CFL coach. I just want to make sure we hire a coach that can command respect. Great football minds have amounted to nothing if they can't focus the team. That was 35 years ago. Should we be hiring people in other industries the same way we did 35 years ago? I'm open to it...and from all accounts, the guy is a pretty bright guy...but usually there is a reason that bright people get stuck working for mediocre companies or in positions they seem overqualified for, and that is because they have some kind of fatal flaw. Just makes me wonder if he has one.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jan 11, 2013 -> 08:44 AM) They say his greatest strength is coaching the fundamentals of quarterbacking, and luckily those don't really change much. Rich Gannon says that he is the type of guy that multi-tasks very well, ie coaching the QB and calling plays. Either way, if we hire an OC that calls the plays...then I don't see how game speed is an issue. It may not be anyway. You do know that these guys network just like everyone else, right? When they're up for a job they are going to contact their friends and have them put in a good word for them. I don't really care what Rich Gannon thinks about the guy. I am all up for looking in non-traditional places for our next head coach, but there is a reason the guy is the HC of the Montreal Alouettes and not in the NFL...call me skeptical.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 09:56 PM) Panthers OC Rob Chudzinksi to be named head coach of the Browns Not a bad hire...

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 07:20 PM) A whole thread on healthy eating and no discussion on the subsidies given to the crappiest food out there? It's no wonder unhealthy food is cheap. That is very much a problem.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 04:19 PM) Josh Bell is a real interesting name. Anyone know how his glove is? Is this the third basemen from Baltimore? If it is, I remember it being pretty bad.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 04:46 PM) You're right, you didn't. You said "try and help." There's nothing wrong with that. I pointed out that it's important to remember that, if you're coming from outside of a problem, you should remain conscious and aware of that. Too often well-intentioned programs or foundations fail to achieve what they're trying to do because they try to impose an external solution with little or not cooperation and partnership, assuming that they know the correct and superior way. Look, I agree with you...I am not going to charge into a poor area and start yelling at its inhabitants to stop eating that junkfood and start eating raspberry smoothies. I get that. You'd certainly want to talk with the people living there and hear their realities and their problems and the like...but I don't think you have to get a PhD in sociology or be in poverty yourself before you might come up with some useful ideas.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 04:37 PM) You don't need to sit idly by, but I think you'd need to understand that "hey, maybe that suburban white dude who cares about violence in Chicago but hasn't lived it and isn't really impacted by it doesn't really know enough to address it!" It's more about empowering those within trying to make change than trying to impose what you think is the best solution from the outside, because that's routinely not going to work. This got broader than health/eating a long time ago, so there's no need to keep going back to that one specific topic as if that's the only thing I'm talking about here. You specifically responded to BS's post about poverty in general. In regards to poverty, I'd say that no, having a bunch of affluent white people who never lived in poverty telling people in poverty how to get out is not going to help anything. When did we tell those in poverty how to get out? What you are suggesting is that our thoughts/observations are worthless because we have a different perspective. I don't believe that for a minute.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 05:22 PM) "Cultural imperialism" doesn't mean actual state-sponsored imperialism and colonization, it means imposing your culture onto someone else's. It's a broad issue and I understand it a little better in regards to cross-country issues. I'd love to do something to help with the violence in Chicago. It's a tragedy. But if I was some wealthy guy and set up a foundation to implement a bunch of policies I'd thought would be great, it'd probably fail spectacularly. Because I don't know the people or the culture, the scope of the problems, how people interact and the connections that are formed, etc. That doesn't mean I could never learn, but I'd need a PhD in sociology before I'd be comfortable saying that I have solutions. And even then, I'd never have the lived experiences that the people actually in the community have. They'll always have a hell of a lot more knowledge and credibility than I would. So what could I do? I can find some organizations run in that way, from the bottom-up and from people actually in the community, and donate my time or money. People tend to resent outsiders coming in, telling them why they're failing/immoral/bad, and telling them that they know how to fix it. It actually can be a problem with liberalism, though not in the way ss2k5 tried to paint it, and it's why I wouldn't necessarily self-identify as a liberal. Some solutions do not require a PhD. Honestly, I give up...you are just so afraid of offending anyone that has been disadvantaged in any way that you would rather sit by idly... And teaching someone about the benefits of certain eating habits is not imperialism...it is human.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 04:00 PM) At least cross-culturally, imposing outside solutions typically is doomed to failure. It's imperialist, and if you don't actually understand what you're trying to change, you're probably going to be ineffective at worst if not outright damaging. Again, this is not imperialism or imposing the British monarch's desires on the people of India. I mean, come on...at some point you put the stakeholders in a room and try to help alleviate a problem. We are all stakeholders...no one is saying exclude those in poverty from the discussion. Would it be better if we all talked about how terrible it would be for those not in poverty to try and help rectify the situation than to actually attempt to do something about it? This just gets ridiculous after a point...

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 03:39 PM) Why Can’t More Poor People Escape Poverty? A radical new explanation from psychologists. snippet: So Sqwert, should there be no responsibility whatsoever? Should we not use rational or sympathetic thought in trying to determine some of the causes of this? Are white or affluent people not allowed to try and help determine an appropriate solution because they lack perspective?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 03:38 PM) I dunno, usually someone who's talking about lazy, irresponsible poors who should think before knocking up a bunch of women if they can't find the time to be healthy now didn't come from poverty. That doesn't mean you've never faced your own problems, just that you might not know what it's like to face the struggles of poverty. Sharing what it was like for your grandfather or someone who isn't you to grow up in poverty can tell in interesting story, but that doesn't mean that you, personally, know what it's like to live in poverty in 2013 or any other time. Things are different than they used to be and the inequality gap is growing, not shrinking. But I think you've highlighted another aspect of privilege--coming from a successful family. If you come from a well-to-do family full of entrepeneurs, it's going to be a hell of a lot easier for you to figure out how to start your own business right? Still going to be challenging, but you're going to start from a much better place than the kid who's entire neighborhood is blue-collar factory workers who are steadily losing their jobs to overseas plants. So how fair is it for you to judge that person for not reaching the same heights you did? What right do you have to judge them at all? I'm not sure where you're getting this notion that I am saying everyone in poverty is there for the same reason. And that reason is because they are lazy and ignorant. I've never written that, not in this thread or any other. What I have tried to point out is that I don't believe that access to quality nutrition is the problem here. I've tried to point out that understanding what is healthy and what isn't healthy doesn't require a particularly high threshold schooling or other "privilege." What it does require is a desire to look out into the future a bit and realize that you would like to be on this earth for a while, and make the effort and be disciplined enough to make that a priority in your life. Perhaps those in poverty just don't have much incentive to do that. That certainly doesn't mean that I believe I have the same perspective as a 15-year old single mother, or a child born into drug addiction, but it certainly doesn't take away the fact that I am also of the human species, with a brain, with a body, with instincts evolved over millions of years, either. I don't believe anyone here has seriously claimed that those in poverty don't have a different perspective than those of us with internet access on a Thursday afternoon. However, sharing common sense and rational thought about the subject is not suddenly made irrelevant by differences in perspective.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 03:24 PM) No, I'm not. Recognizing your own privilege doesn't reduce the non-privileged to subhuman status. Recognizing that society actually has an impact on people and that your thoughts and ideas are impacted by your upbringing isn't calling anyone dumb. I'm not ignorant of the impacts society has on people. It is quite a leap, however, to claim that because McDonalds exists, people should not be held responsible for passing over other more nutritional food sources.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 03:20 PM) You're absolutely allowed to have an opinion. Just try to examine your own opinions to see if they're coming from a privileged perspective, if there's some advantages you had and maybe didn't recognize that these other people you're judging don't, if you had more room for mistakes and set-backs, etc. Basically "walk a mile in someone's shoes" or at least, to the extent possible without actually living their experience, try to understand a mile in their shoes. How do you know that I have had a privileged perspective? How do you know that people here haven't faced hardships growing up? How do you know I haven't walked in those shoes before? Many of our ancestors were absolutely in the shoes of those in poverty today. Many of our ancestors came to this country with nothing. We have been taught many of the lessons they learned in reaching a greater standard of living. Sharing some of those lessons does not make them meaningless or irrelevant because those expressing them are no longer in poverty now.