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QUOTE (since56 @ Jun 12, 2011 -> 07:16 AM) How about an outfield of Quentin in left, Lillibridge in center, and Viciedo in right? With Lillibridge leading off. Not any worse defensively and better offensively. Rios is actually starting to hit! Leave that man in the lineup for now!

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 11:39 PM) Man, forget about World Series titles. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about consistently putting yourself in position to win World Series titles. The original post you quoted were all moves that's happened with the Cardinals in the last year and a half. You have to go back to 2007 or 2008 or even 2005 for ammo. Just because you made some shrewd moves 3, 4, 5, years ago doesn't mean you just stop. Why is one so inherently different? You tell me. How come we've missed the playoffs 8 times in 10 years in a division that doesn't include the Yankees or Red Sox? It's all about results with me. I really don't care how you do it. But our way has proven to be futile for the most part. If you want to talk about the recent history of the Cardinals, they have made the playoffs once in the last 4 years, same as the White Sox. In a s*** division, just like the White Sox. When are you going to recognize you have a ridiculous bias towards the White Sox because you actually watch them? You see our players fail. You only see other teams' players on highlight reels. You know the White Sox organization's faults and problems, but you only selectively follow teams like the Rockies and Royals and Cardinals and whichever other team is your flavor of the month.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 10:24 PM) And one team is in first place and the favorite to win their 5th division title since 2004 (with no Wainwright), while the other is below .500 with a $125 million dollar payroll and no farm to speak of. Don't compare us to the Cardinals. There is absolutely no comparison. And lol@ensunating JP is going to get benched for Lillibridge. Let's compare where they finish at the end of the year. And how many World Series titles does each organization have in the last 20 years? Why can you NOT get THIS POINT? A strong farm system is not the only way to achieve MLB success. If we are trading or signing cost-controlled, valuable players, it has THE SAME POSITIVE ECONOMIC EFFECT as a strong farm system. They are two different ways of achieving the same goal. Why is one inherently so much more valuable than the other?

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 11:20 PM) Ok. Not trying to be a jerk, but if KW went and traded one of our starting pitchers tomorrow for anyone other than Jesus Montero, wouldn't most people be like WTF (and even some would still be asking that question)?

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 10:19 PM) Why would the Yankees be calling? Because they are desperate for starting pitching. We no longer have an excess. They may as well call everyone.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 10:17 PM) Just making a mention, but didn't you just say yesterday "When was the last time this team actually won after a deflating loss like this?". Maybe it wasn't you, but someone said it last night. This despite the fact that Fathom pointed out we won after the loss to the Rays and after the loss to the Dodgers.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 10:14 PM) The goal is to get to .500 and then blow right by it. Not to recover from deflating losses and still remain under .500. Couldn't agree more. But last I checked, recovering from "despicable" losses was a good thing. We've done it fairly well this year, despite your insistence to the contrary.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 10:34 PM) Pujols is the ultimate trump card, obviously. But you don't contend year after year like they do because of one man. Especially in a sport as unpredictable as baseball. Take this year for example: obviously the Berkman signing has been fantastic. But look at how their farm has come through for them. Matt Holliday goes down? No problem. Enter Jon Jay and his .313/.370/.438/.807 OPS in LF. Skip Schumaker sucks? Enter Allen Craig and his .928 OPS at 2B. What do you say? You mean Ryan Frankin isn't getting the job done at closer? No sweat. Enter Fernando Salas and his 1.88 ERA, 1.01 WHIP, 30 Ks, 11/12 save/save oppos in 28 IP. Wait, need a set-up man? Enter Edjuardo Sanchez and his 1.95 ERA, 1.08 WHIP, 33 Ks and 5 saves in 27 2/3 IP. Nobody knew who Jaime Garcia was 18 months ago. Now he's one of the top young 25 and under starting pitchers in baseball. David Freese has done nothing but rake the last two years when healthy. That's how you do it. That's why the farm is so important and why I stress that ad nauseum. They're not calling on the Lucas Harrell's, Jeff Marquez's and Dallas McPherson's of the world. You're absolutely right. But what you fail to address and discuss TIME AND TIME again, is that there is more than one way to skin a cat. You lose Bobby Jenks? Oh darn, I give you Sergio Santos. You need a a big bat, oh s***, there is Carlos Quentin! I want an athletic shortstop....oh f***, it's Alexei Ramirez. I want a leadoff hitter to replace Juan Pierre and a better defender in the outfield...oh my god, they're coming from everywhere! It's Brent Lillibridge! Two can play at your game.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 11:07 PM) Bartolo Colon now to the DL. I'd have to imagine they are blowing up Kenny's phone. I wonder what kind of offers he may get, and for whom. Why? We no longer have an extra SP, and we certainly have no one able to step in should one of the current SP's be traded.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 09:51 PM) Nice bounce-back. Looking forward to JP right back in LF tomorrow. Notice how we have been doing this pretty well this year, despite your insistence to the contrary.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 09:44 PM) A 5-5 homestand would be laughable. 6-4 at least it's over .500. Get it done, Sox. Oakland is a s***ty team. Laughable maybe at first. Then you stop and realize we faced Verlander/Pineda/Felix/Vargas/Cahill/Gio and it isn't so bad. Obviously we also faced Oliver/Penny/Godfrey and tomorrow Moscoso...but damn, that is probably 5 of the top 25 SP's in the AL thus far this year right there...

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 03:08 PM) It's just frustration. Nobody can understand with a six deep starting rotation, $128 million dollar roster, Dunn's addition, Crain....why we're not at least over .500 or running away with the division. We can't blame the Twins this time. All of our damage, seemingly, has been of the, as Hawk likes to say, "self-inflicted" variety. It's baffling to tons of scouts and baseball insiders. They still can't fully comprehend what has happened with Rios, Dunn, Peavy and Beckham, either. It's frustration that happens with every single loss. Gain a sense of f***ing perspective.

QUOTE (MAX @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 12:21 AM) That is reasonable. I hope his slider comes back. Unforuntately, I only get to listen to most of them games, and watch at most 3 or so a week. I just know that he has had control problems. Javy, on the other hand seems to have a reputation among sox fans as having problems between the ears. I don't think its fair to say that Edwin's problems are similar. I understand the frustration on the OP's part. It was a very frustrating game for us fans. I just don't like bearing witness to the extra negativity here. Yeah, I agree. Edwin has his own set of problems, but these aren't his. He's battled through 3 starts now where he didn't have much other than his fastball, and in two of them, he's held the opponents to 2 runs. We could have won both of these games and definitely should have won this one.

QUOTE (MAX @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 01:08 AM) I am concerned about edwin. Edwin has not looked very good in a while now. This was a better start for Edwin than the last. All I hope for is improvement. He didn't express concern, was my point, he called him javy v2, which doesn't seem appropriate on a night like this. Edwin at least has some heart. He fought for it, and ended up doing alright. He hasn't had a good slider recently, so he's basically had to rely on just his fastball, which doesn't move.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 10:03 PM) No, I don't need help I can admit what I am. A hardcore pessimist that loves the White Sox. I was giving the team props for finding Sergio. Would I do that if I just wanted to b**** all the time? You constantly look down on those that don't worship Scott Merkin and Hawk. And I'm sick of it. You're no better a fan than I am. Get over yourself. Again, I've never said I'm a better fan than you or anyone else. I don't know why you keep insisting I'm saying that. And you won't ever find me saying anything even approaching that either. You jump off the deep end like four times a day and I'm just trying to keep you out of the room with rubber walls.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 10:58 PM) I don't have to do that. I KNOW you do that. The search function hasn't worked in years and I'm not googling whatever just to make a point. You always do that and you know it. If we get angry or upset about something we're on the verge of suicide and we should start reading the bible. You do that s*** all the time and you know it. WTF are you talking about? You need help.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 10:51 PM) Whatever. You're always on here trying to educate someone on what a 'true' fan is and if they don't fit your criteria they should take up "knitting" or whatever. s*** is old and tired. Even with how I am, I don't try and push that off on other posters and if they disagree with me tell them they should find another hobby. This was a pathetic loss and nothing you say can mask that. Go find a post where I have ever judged whether someone is a true or real fan. I challenge you to go find anything even mildly approaching that sort of judgmental bulls*** out of me. The only thing I encourage people to do is to channel their negativity in other directions, because it is simply not healthy to do what some of you guys apparently do to yourselves based on what this team does.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 10:46 PM) Personally, I don't think the bolded part is a big issue on here. That's at least talking about the game. Saying "we're never going to win again, this franchise sucks" is probably a better example. Just one pessimist's opinion. Except for when it happens because of some sort of perverse pleasure taken from it. It's become the fashionable thing to do around here recently. Let's see who can be the most negative SOB possible! We can all see when s*** is going badly or someone is struggling. I would think posting something like "Sergio has nothing tonight, and we're going to lose this game if Ozzie doesn't get him out of there ." But it has gone way, way overboard and beyond that, to stuff like "Sergio is vomiting on my cock tonight. Ozzie should be beaten with sharp, corrosive metal rods for leaving him in this long." It's just a contest to see who can be the most negative, shocking, ridiculous poster now.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 10:40 PM) That's bulls***. greg is refreshing. Why can't he choose, like me, NOT to give this team the benefit of the doubt whenever they choke on their own blood? This team doesn't deserve that. There's no recent history of this team overcoming adversity. This is a terrible loss and could definitely send them into a downward spiral. The same goes for you! You two probably both have stomach ulcers from all the gloom and doom you prognosticate on a daily basis. Or else you have raw genitals from all the masturbating you do when things are going poorly for us. Either way, when you or Greg are posting s*** like "oh, they are definitely going to score now. Sergio can't get anyone out," how the f*** is that refreshing to anyone other than yourselves?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 10:39 PM) Shack, youre suck a f***ing jinx. No s***. I honestly do avoid betting (other than the NFL) pretty well, just because of all the s*** you see when you live here. But sometimes it's just a form of entertainment just like anything else is. But when you lose, someone always has to jump in and tell you why you're such a degenerate.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 09:35 PM) This board has some of the more patient people in the world. Wish my business accepted failure like you guys do. Heads would have rolled in the real world by now. This team is a joke. A total joke. Then honestly, why come back every night again and again. If you can't handle the f***ing swings of professional sports, then go take up knitting. Coming here to be debbie downer EVERY GOD DAMN NIGHT gets really old, Greg.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 09:30 PM) You kidding? My Christmas present growing up varied in quality in direct relationship to how my dad performed at the casino. I just hate losing for stuff like that. I think I wound up the opposite of my dad in that regard. I live in Las Vegas and this is the first game I have bet on them all year. And it was just because I had no plans on a Friday night after working my ass off all week long. Of course it has to be a game where they implode with no one on and 2 outs.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 09:17 PM) He's had 3 blow-ups in about 2 weeks. He looked like someone with no confidence at all tonight. I don't see this at all. This game was over if AJ doesn't try and get cute. No one on and up 2 runs with an 0-2 count. Throw the f***ing fastball. At least come back with it on 2-2 instead of tripling them up with it for ball 3. Then the pitch selection to Matsui was curious too. Even the A's announcers were describing it as "questionable." This one is on AJ more than Serge as far as I am concerned.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 10:27 PM) That's why I rarely gamble. Thanks Dad.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 09:09 PM) He had no offspeed stuff tonight and his fastball is straighter than anyone else's on the team. You're up 2 runs, you have an 0-2 count, 2 outs, and no one on base. You make him hit the f***ing fastball instead of throwing that third slider in a row. f***, I would just thrown a third straight fastball. If he hits a home run, you're still up 5-4.