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I assume if it was continuing through the 70's he would have mentioned it.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 30, 2014 -> 09:42 AM) I posted two links directly above that were in response to almost that exact question. The Moyers one didn't unless it's in the video.

So, the practices ended in 1960. Whites created the ghetto. It's been 50 years. Why are they still ghettos? At some point he, and others, need to recognize there's an internal black community issue at play here that also needs fixing. Blaming the white man doesn't really help.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 30, 2014 -> 08:05 AM) Here are the reasons why a person can be denied a firearm in the state of California. None of those would have been true in this case. If he didn't tell a psychotherapist about the threats and he wasn't actually admitted to a mental health facility then it was entirely legal for him to purchase and possess whatever arsenal he wanted. His family was freaked out about him, sent police to his place, but because he wasn't admitted and didn't open up about violent to a therapist, sure here have all the guns you want. But please tell me again about how California's gun laws are so strict. Not really sure what else could have been done. I guess you could put the responsibility on his therapist to deem him too dangerous to own a gun, but maybe he/she never got an understanding of all of his psychotic manifesto stuff. That was an issue in the Colorado movie theater case too. The parents called the cops because of the videos and stuff he was saying, so are you going to place the responsibility on them? They called the cops, not sure what else they could do. Or do we blame the cops for not following up enough? If someone alleges you're crazy and a danger, is the allegation alone enough to warrant that you can't buy a gun? Shouldn't there be some kind of adjudication on that issue (hey, like the law requires?). And even then, we're talking about a very rare case where the crazy person has shown signs of being crazy. So again, absent an absolute ban, this s***'s not preventable. Crazy people do crazy things. At some point you have to stop regulating and infringing on the rights on the 99% of people that use/own/operate weapons legally and responsibly.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 29, 2014 -> 09:54 PM) stricter mental health requirements. he'd been in therapy since 8 years old and had recently quit going against his parents' wishes. red flag. simple as that. Yeah...and the cops were called and nothing happened, so... someone screwed up. Or not, because s*** happens.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 29, 2014 -> 08:53 PM) If anyone watched TheWorldWars on History, they tried to pass off LaSalle St and the Board of Trade in Chicago, as early 20th century New York City. Geesh. Saw that. I've enjoyed the series but Christ do they dumb down history in these things.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 29, 2014 -> 07:42 PM) the cultural difference exists because of our lack of regulation. start regulating and the culture will change. slowly. but it'll change. Hey Rachel Maddow/liberal talking head, give an example of a regulation that would have prevented this shooting. A REAL, viable option.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ May 29, 2014 -> 02:30 PM) If somebody is indeed on the loose, then yes, the local media within a certain radius most definitely need to report his name. Did not apply in this case though. I don't agree with "we need to know who did it and why they did it." Now law enforcement needs to know, the college/business/organization on whose property this occurred needs to know, his family needs to know, but what is gained from you and I knowing anything about this guy? I'm nowhere near an expert on anything to the point that knowing the guys name/age/background gives me any more insight than not knowing. Agreed. We don't publish information about suicides, but we do with murder suicides. It makes no sense.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 29, 2014 -> 12:35 PM) Llink I'm ok with both of those.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 29, 2014 -> 12:09 PM) Ban guns. No one can legally buy a gun or own a gun in the United States unless they are military/security/police. And I agree with not mentioning the persons name. Which is why I dont address it in any of my posts. I will not help them be remembered. Again, let's live in reality. Banning guns isn't happening anytime soon, if ever.

I'm still waiting on what law we are missing that would have prevented this. Here's a change I'd make: no media coverage of the killer. Cover the shooting but never make the name, photo or background info of the shooter available, unless he/she is eventually charged and it comes from the trial. When it's a murder suicide, treat it as a suicide. I'd bet a lot of these assholes do this stuff for the attention.

QUOTE (Tex @ May 29, 2014 -> 10:03 AM) I rarely french press anymore, I am very happy with my Keurig. I still pull out the french press, grind my own beans, and enjoy a cup from time to time, but the Keurig is a great substitute for weekdays when I'm heading to work. Agreed.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 28, 2014 -> 05:25 PM) lol Constitution can be changed, so lets not hide behind that. The question is, if crazy is crazy, why prevent any crazy people from doing anything? Like we attacked Saddam because we were concerned he had WMD right? So under your theory we should have let him keep the WMD because we just need to accept crazy is crazy. Again, awful analogy. Someone articulate what law could have been passed to prevent this shooting. The only answer is a complete gun ban, which is never going to happen. So continue arguing in hypotheticals if you wish, but down here in the real world it seems to me this particular shooting could have been avoided if the police/family did their jobs. And even then I dunno if that's 100% true. I'm fine with nearly all the restrictions that CA has passed. I'm not sure what else could have been done here.

SS has literally argued with a black person over what is/is not racist. So...

QUOTE (Y2HH @ May 28, 2014 -> 06:11 PM) You've officially become the guiltiest white man at Shawshank.

That's a terrible analogy. Iran doesn't have the bomb yet. We have guns and can own them as a constitutional right.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 28, 2014 -> 05:09 PM) ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens Doesn't make it less true.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 28, 2014 -> 05:02 PM) Yes, but that's the point. It may be human nature, but like Mr. Martinez said, "Where is the leadership?" He cited Steve Jobs and his ability to hire bright people who come up with solutions, not people that are in politics today who just bicker with each other and make excuses. What ever happened to trying to get things done and work on solutions? (I realize we're past that point in America; we don't find solutions anymore we just accept what is happening. And I am not a prima donna. I fully realize it's only going to get worse. We are WAY PAST the solution stage. It will probably take another World War, this one DIRECTLY affecting our security to bond together and try to solve issues ever again). Because there is no solution. You can't fix crazy. One side of this issue needs to accept that.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 28, 2014 -> 04:49 PM) Please don't turn this into that. I feel sorry for those poor kids killed on a daily basis in Chicago. That is so fricking tragic. All the murders in Chicago are f***ing unacceptable!! I hope all those bastards in gangs and other murderers are caught and thrown in jail with the key flushed down the toilet. -- I can't believe you said 'wake me.' I hope you have never had a loved one or friend murdered. Maybe you have. I hope not. 'Wake me' seems awfully insensitive. We are talking about cold blooded murders here. Poor choice of words. I'm just saying, when you hear about this crap on a regular basis, regardless of how tragic, that's just human nature to become desensitized to it.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 28, 2014 -> 04:43 PM) Balta comes through with one of the best posts I've ever read on a message board. Awesome. Well stated. I especially liked 3, 4 and 5. Not "oh good," but Martinez meant we are numb to this s*** now. It's like "Oh, only 7? That's sad, but it's not really a deal. Talk to me when it's 50, 100, a sports stadium of thousands." Wake me when you and others in this country act the same when 10-15 kids in Chicago are killed over a weekend.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 28, 2014 -> 04:33 PM) Or maybe, just maybe, the laws in a "hostile to guns" state are a pathetic joke that helps enable these kinds of tragedies for no good reason. You are just beyond rationality on this issue.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 28, 2014 -> 02:14 PM) I don't think Noah's reading of that article by Coates is accurate. I've never taken away the message that "no progress has been made" from his writing. That's a pretty odd reading when he writes at length about the Contract Buyers League and the opening up of federal programs along with the diminishing use of legal redlining. I guess I'm combining the two articles of his, this was from the one you linked this morning: He basically scoffs at the idea of any progress because whites don't properly recognize the history of the black man. That's my take away from it.

He also ignores progress the black community has made over the years economically, educationally and socially. http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2014/03...gn-supreme.html

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ May 28, 2014 -> 01:51 PM) You laugh.... until a giant lizard plows through Chicago. And you see the military getting ready to fight it with useless handguns.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 28, 2014 -> 01:53 PM) And what I'm saying is that the data are quite conclusive. The more times you pull kids away from parents, even unfit parents, the more adults you wind up in Jail or dead. You aren't saving kids by taking them out of those homes. Since it's never been tried before, you can't say for sure if that would be the result.