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Jesus, Groce, make them run a play.

Hey last years team showed up

Well this got out of hand quickly

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 11, 2013 -> 04:23 PM) You can't say you don't disagree with social justice/privilege issues and then object to it being a social issue. You're rejecting the entire concept at that point. Society confers advantages to some and disadvantages to others and not in a planned or conscious way. That's what's meant by social justice, not that it's rigged. That's what's meant by institutional racism. SOCIETY doesn't confer s***. In 1776 you could say SOCIETY granted white males advantages because the laws of the society literally were written for white males. We don't have that anymore. We have a clean slate when it comes to opportunities for people. It's entirely consistent to admit that there is "privilege" (though I agree with SB that's all about wealth, not skin color, gender, etc) but also deny that it's society's doing. Edit: Perhaps you and I have a different definition of society. Within our society there is privilege and better opportunities for some. That I agree with. I deny that said privilege or opportunities, in 2013, is caused by our society and culture.

I don't disagree with a lot of what's being said here, my problem is when you label this as a societal problem when it's not. Society provides equal opportunity to everyone. Whether or not someones parent is a drug addict or a rich judge doesn't matter in that respect. I hate the term social injustice because it does have the connotation that society is somehow inherently rigging the system against those in less fortunate situations, when in reality it's not society (2013 society) that's doing that. And to that point i'm not sure what society can do. I know that providing people with public housing has been a failure. I know that giving them food and healthcare and everything else like that has been a failure. Simply giving disadvantaged people things doesn't change behavior for future generations. Incentive needs to be instilled. You would think showing kids of life full of misery and crime would be enough, but it's not. Absent taking those types of kids away from their situations, I really don't think "society" can do anything about the problem.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jan 11, 2013 -> 12:57 PM) I see what you did there. Did you see his twitter responses? The guy talks like a wangsta... I don't get it. Oh i'm sure he's a huge douchebag too.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jan 11, 2013 -> 12:36 PM) Off topic but she looks like any other dolled up white chick. My opinion of course. Yeah i don't think she's the hottest thing out there either. Still, that dude is on top of the world at the moment. Didn't do ANYTHING to get there either. Social lottery winner. So unfair.

Ah yes, the old "YOU don't care as much as ME so you're the racist" bit. Nicely done.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 11, 2013 -> 12:16 PM) Congrats, you've identified that not every single contributing factor in someone's life can be mapped to social justice issues, though why their parents and homes are s***ty might be at least somewhat related. Social injustice isn't about deliberate and conscious rigging or discrimination. A lot of it is about lack of self-awareness among the privileged, like the straight white male from an upper-middle class background with good parents not realizing how much smoother his road in life has been than others. So basically by social injustice you mean unfairness. I didn't grow up with the physical attributes to be the starting QB of Alabama's football team, banging an incredibly hot model. SOCIAL INJUSTICE, WHY WON'T SOCIETY MAKE IT EQUAL FOR ME!

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 11, 2013 -> 11:56 AM) Privilege isn't really about "victims," and I haven't said that disprivileged people lack any form of agency. I've argued that people with privilege have an easier time doing something than people without privilege, and that that privilege often goes completely unnoticed. You covered this in your first sentence, though you might have missed it, when you said "even though the majority of society can." The majority of society (generally speaking) are the ones with the privilege, the 'norm' group. You later say that you figure things out on your own all the time using the library or the internet. Those are resources that are not equitably distributed. You were also educated (presumably) in good schools with good libraries and have had familiarity with the internet since you were a kid. Knowing how to teach yourself, knowing how to do research is a skill in and of itself. As I said before, this goes beyond race and class, e.g. heterosexuality is the privileged norm because the default expectation is that you're straight. Being openly gay is still an issue, still something that gay people have to deal with that straight people don't. The argument is that there's some level of injustice inherent in our society that makes it easier for some and not for others. That isn't saying that "society needs to help them because they can't help themselves," it's saying that our society should be changed so that it isn't unfairly more difficult for certain groups. At no point have I made the argument that they are helpless and need some white savior. Is it societies fault that parents are s***ty? That kids are stuck in s***ty homes? Injustice is when the game is rigged without giving you any sort of opportunity to play. That's not our society. It may be more difficult to play, but everyone has the same opportunity if they take it. I'm not sure how we can "change society" unless we're willing to hold people accountable for their actions. Bailing them out and paying them off isn't changing behavior for future generations.

Did everyone enjoy their 2% SS tax "increase" today (this was my first pay period of the year)?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 11, 2013 -> 11:20 AM) I don't think you can actually make a case for the interpretation you're accusing me of. However, as I'm actually concerned about privilege, I would like to know if a good case can be made that I actually am saying something along the lines that you've claimed so that I can examine what assumptions and background I was coming from that lead me to say or believe those things. I think when you argue that our culture and society alters peoples behavior, and then argue that "we" need to change or combat that culture, you're insinuating that the victimized group can't keep from being victimized, even though the majority of society can. Society needs to help them because they can't help themselves. Yeah, privilege and circumstance might expose you to certain complex issues, like running a business, but just because you haven't been exposed to certain ideas doesn't mean you're prevented from figuring it out yourself. I'm apparently an affluent white lawyer. I have great parents and siblings and friends in all walks of life. Yet I figure s*** out on my own all the time. It's called the internet. It's called the library. It's called using your brain. In a minority of cases, yes, I would agree that some people literally grow up in a world so far removed from the real world they don't know any different. But that's not the majority of people. The majority of people know right and wrong. The majority of people have common sense. The majority of people have the ability to figure "it" out. The people we're talking about choose not to use what they have because there's an easier option available - blame other people, demand assistance from society. And sadly, that too has become ingrained in our culture as acceptable behavior.

I hope they take him to court over that. Sounds to me like that was an oral unilateral contract with performance by Trump.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 7, 2013 -> 05:09 PM) That's what I thought. Looking at a previously reconstructed knee makes it a lot more difficult to determine the extent of a new injury. This will be an interesting case. Edit: thinking about the prognosis someone stated earlier. I wonder if they found articular cartilage damage? This would cause the rehab to be prolonged. Not to mention pain for the rest of this life if it's all gone. I'm defending a case right now where a guy lost most of his articular cartilage and he can't bend his knee without pain and can't work any job that requires him to bend/put weight on his knee directly. Good luck playing football with that.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jan 11, 2013 -> 09:16 AM) Dude, you can Show/Hide channels with the favorites list. Shopping channels, religious channels, awful music channels, PPV channels, goodbye. I normally just have it on the "HD only channels" list, but every once and a while I'll go back to check out whats on H2 (I still don't get why that's not in HD even though they try to show HD programs). But yeah, I probably should just do the favorites thing.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 11, 2013 -> 08:17 AM) I made the switch to DirecTV. They come to install between 12-4 on Sunday. I'm keeping Comcast for internet, though. The Genie whole-home DVR lured me in (that and saving $600 in 2013 and $200 in 2014). I've had it for almost 2 years now and think it's a lot better than cable (though I only had Comcast one year several years ago, and then was stuck with RCN for a while). Certainly the price is better, but also the amount of HD channels. Make sure to download the DirecTV app on your tablet/smartphone. You can watch live tv if you're on the same network as your receiver. They seem to be adding more and more channels on there every month. They also have their ondemand available from anywhere which is nice. My only complaint is that every other channel is a bulls*** shopping network. Southpark did a spoof on one of those that I didn't get at all until I stumbled upon the channel late one night. I don't understand how that stuff gets aired, let alone an entire network devoted to it.

Lets see if Iowa can finish this

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 03:42 PM) I wouldn't say I'm laying blame, period. However, it says nothing about intelligence, nor does it mean that poor people have zero agency. But nobody has total agency, privilege is a thing and where you start in life is a strong predictor of where you end. The difference is that I explicitly reject viewing peoples' outcomes in moral terms while you don't. You're only seeing the argument from your moral framework. Except that I've explicitly said the exact opposite of this. Directly to you. I can't drink a 64Oz McDonalds soda if they don't sell 64Oz sodas. I can't drink a 7Oz soda if they don't sell 7Oz sodas. I really, really don't understand why this was controversial at all. As I said, it's not. But based on the discussion you were using that as an example to show that people just don't have any choice in the matter, when the real choice is not having ANY soda at all. People aren't FORCED to buy a bigger soda. Otherwise I agree with your statement.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 03:21 PM) No, you made up that bulls*** about someone saying that poor people or non-whites are too dumb for something or other. You and jenks love to trot out this horrible argument whenever someone points out social factors. Because when you point out social factors you're blaming society, whether you intend to or not. You justify the behavior and/or indirectly excuse the behavior of poor people because they can't act any differently due to their upbringing. That's the import of your argument here. "They can't help the fact that they drink 128oz soda! That's what society is telling them to do!"

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 02:58 PM) Suburban sprawl and the way neighborhoods/subdivisions are laid out is actually a factor that people look into. It's very practical to walk down the street to any number of stores in a lot of urban neighborhoods. For me, it'd be about a two mile walk through dumb twisting subdivision roads and then down a main throughway to get to the store. Sprawling strip malls mean maybe you hit up one or two stores, but then you get in and drive a block down to the other end of the gigantic parking lot. City planning can make things more difficult to walk/bike or not, and that's going to influence your choices! Lol, well done.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 02:50 PM) The skinniest I've ever been is when I was broke. Being fat is a choice. Really, now that I think about it, the real cause of fatness is women and the suburbs. As soon as my white, affluent "slightly obese" ass got married and moved away from the city, the pounds started to pack on. Ugh. Women. Suburbs. Their fault, not mine.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 02:47 PM) I blame fat people for this If they weren't so lazy, it wouldn't be a problem.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 02:38 PM) So, the answer to solving the obesity epidemic is shouting at poor people to stop being stupid and decide to stop being poor. Can someone draft this up so I can send it to Congress? Yes, actually. That's basically what the national movements are all about. Play 60 -- GET YOUR KIDS TO MOVE ONCE A DAY YOU ASSHAT PARENTS

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 02:38 PM) You're clearly best buds with Morgan Spurlock - you guys hang out and burn $100 bills every weekend. No one else does this? Seriously?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jan 10, 2013 -> 02:33 PM) Says the affluent white lawyer. Yeah it's really my money and skin color that taught me that eating at McDonalds is not healthy.