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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 01:12 PM) A US citizen is declared an "imminent threat" to US national security and placed on an approved list for targeted assassination. When this is challenged in court, the DOJ responds with the now-common "State Secrets" mantra and the case gets tossed out. Then, without any due process, any judicial review, a US citizen is assassinated. Is this really something we should be comfortable with? Given that this is the first time it's every happened, and given the strong evidence of the threat he posed, I don't think this is as much of a concern as you're making it out to be.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 01:05 PM) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/hist...95_0444_ZO.html Mere advocacy of violence is protected speech. They can go down that route, but that doesn't mean it legitimates violating a US citizen's constitutional rights to due process or that it actually stands up to scrutiny. Where would you be comfortable with drawing the line on Executive power to declare US citizens treasonous and assassinate them? Yeah, i'm well aware of Brandenburg and its progeny. Out and out ordering Americans to attack the US goes beyond "advocacy" IMO. And I think that under that test a court would find the likelihood of action is very high, especially since he has gotten people to plot attacks before based on his words. I'm not sure where the line is drawn. But I don't think this case gets anywhere near it. He's clearly an enemy of the state and was rightly assassinated. Hasn't the US violated these constitutional protections before? Lots and lots of American born Germans went back to fight for the Nazi's in WW2. If they were killed in battle was that a violation of their Constitutional right? Or at some point when you pick up arms (literally or figuratively) why wouldn't it be logical that you lose those rights?

I'll add too that while a few independent bloggers/jouranalists have brought the 5th amendment issue up, it's not getting much press in the main stream. Can you imagine if this was done by Bush? The "he's ruining the United States' position in the world and taking away our freedoms!" crowd would have a field day.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 12:54 PM) Showing a video tape is not due process, no. We've had treason trials in this country in the past. There's also a big 1st amendment question there, and the US government maintains that he wasn't targeted for his speech. Inciting violence or treasonous acts is not protected speech. I think the US gov't is going down the route that he posed an "imminent danger" and therefore his assassination was ok'd by international law. I don't know that WH lawyers have addressed any domestic legal justification.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 12:39 PM) You can't establish that there were actually acts of treason committed without due process. The government charging you with treason doesn't eliminate all of your rights and give them carte blanche. So, videotape of him telling Muslims in America to attack the US (among other things) is not enough to establish treason?

QUOTE (Wedge @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 12:42 PM) That's probably for the best. I would rank those four: 1) LaRussa 2) Martinez 3) Francona 4) Alomar I know everybody hates LaRussa but it's really, really hard to argue with his track record. We'd all think he's a giant ass, but he'd win and we'd be OK with it. With Francona, it's easy to say he's got a great track record with the World Series rings. I do think he did a good job managing the Red Sox, but I'm not sure if he's the right fit for the White Sox. We're nowhere near as talented as those teams were. I think the team would appreciate his professionalism, but I'm not sure how well he'd wind up doing here. I think you're better served taking a flier on a manager than you are hiring Francona. Martinez is sort of the sexy candidate, and probably rightly so. He's Maddon's right hand man and seems well prepared for his own gig. Obviously, he's an unknown at this point, but at least he's a really good guess. Alomar is the furthest down. It doesn't mean it couldn't turn out to be a great manager, but he's just the biggest unknown on the list. I agree with your list. Kinda depends on where the White Sox want to go - continue on the "we're one piece away" train (La Russa), or decide to actually fix the farm system and build back up for another run in a couple of years (Martinez, who could grow into the job)

QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 12:32 PM) Boston's just a lose/lose proposition, pressure-wise. Not unlike the Cubs. When you're up, the fans love you but when you're down, they are absolute savages. I agree his personality could be just what the doctor ordered. Confession: for the past couple of years I would look at people like Gardy in Minnesota or Leland in Detroit and think: I wonder what it's like to have a stoic, low-key manager who's not a loose cannon? Because those teams don't seem to have the drama (and they kick our asses all over the place). Anyone ever feel that way before, too? I'm going to laugh when the players who got sick of Ozzie's antics suddenly get the spotlight on them for playing like s***. Say what you will about Ozzie (I was fine with his departure), but he was great at deflating the pressure on some of those guys by at least not having to worry about the media.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 12:28 PM) 5th amendment? IMO acts of treason trump all that. Though I suppose there should be some sort of official designation by the US government concerning that before the strike occurred.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 12:22 PM) With Paul's comments or with the assassination? Greenwald is, predictably, melting down over this. the assassination

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 11:26 AM) I'm still undecided on how to feel about this one, so, since this is the Republican thread, I'll post Ron Paul's comments on that killing and see how things go from there. Known leader of a terrorist group planning to attack/kill/injure Americans and their allies in a time of war v. assassinating an unknown nutcase = two different situations. I don't see a problem with it.

Ugh, what a cock: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writ...p;sct=hp_t13_a4

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 11:07 AM) I love the irony of Illini fans lecturing IU fans about expectations. Well, to be sure there were a lot of dumb Illinois fans that went overboard. I myself got caught up in some of that (though not to the degree that some did), so i'm giving my advice based on personal experience. s*** happens, as they say, and getting caught up on guys that are highly ranked (which has become such a political/business-run enterprise these days) just leads to unrealistic expectations.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 10:25 AM) Ever since Matt Sylvester hit that 3 That sucked so hard.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 09:11 AM) You wouldn't consider OSU a rival? I would put Illinois, Wisconsin and purdue as the buckeyes biggest bball rivals. Yeah that's an oversight. OSU has been, especially in the last 7-8 years.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 08:55 AM) I see, then I assume the Bears down season in 2009 after Urlacher went down in game 1 gets excused from Lovie/Angelo's record too. After all, he's more valuable to the Bears than anyone the Packers lost (including Finley and Grant). You can put an asterisk on that season that says they lost their best player on defense sure, but that doesn't excuse the same s***ty offense.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 08:57 AM) D. Rose's new Adidas commercial. (Looks like Pooh got a couple of new tats in the summer as well) Check out Adidas's slogan at the end.. Adidas is "all in." That's awesome. I liked the Celtic matador.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 08:09 PM) The reading comprehension jokes are f***ing lame. Snarky comments like that are funny like the first 3 times you use them, then by the time every internet dork is using them, they're just plain f***ing annoying. They're right up there with the "So and so sucks at baseball" line. It's pretty obvious the Bears have been an above-average defensive team in a League where the passing game and offense are king. This has been the case for the better part of the last 5 years. This obviously tends to make the Packers, and their pass-heavy offense and talented run of quarterbacks seem like the cat's meow. Just as an aside, I think it helps that they actually have a decent playing surface, but I digress. Meanwhile, the Bears have tried to make the transition on the run, but have done so without having all the necessary ingredients in place. It tends to spoil the whole dish. One thing to consider though...and we always remember best what we saw last, should the Bears beat the Packers in the final regular season game last year, the 2010 installment of the Packers gets remembered as a team that couldn't run the ball enough to win consistently. Or a team that got destroyed by the injury bug. But yeah, I see your point.

QUOTE (He_Gawn @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 07:00 PM) Then you obviously don't know anything about Brad. Uh huh, and you guys are. At least Crean has an excuse. They stop this year. Or we could just blame it on the seniors like Illinois does every year... Ohio State, MSU, IU, Wisconsin, and even Purdue have set themselves up for the long haul. Catch-up. Oh I have a feeling the next two years when Indiana is just mediocre that there's gonna be a whole lot of "just wait until Crean gets ALL of his guys here! Then we'll be really good!" I also enjoy the fact that Indiana fans can completely dismiss the fact that the guy that ruined their program WAS HIRED BY THEIR PROGRAM DESPITE KNOWING HE'D ALREADY BEEN VIOLATING NCAA RULES. I have no beef with Indiana, nor do I consider them a "rival." Illinois' rivals in the Big Ten are MSU and WI and to a lessor extent Iowa (traditional) and Northwestern (state). But Indiana fans annoy the piss out of me. The cling to what happened 25 years ago as if that's still relevant. You're a traditional power. Good for you. You haven't been relevant except for a year here or there since then. So get off your f***ing high horse. And I've said it here before, Indiana fans better not get crazy with excitement. Yes, you'll be better than you have been recently, but big recruiting classes mean absolute dick. It doesn't guarantee you Final Fours and Championships. Especially since other programs in the Big Ten (UI, MSU, OSU, WI, PUR) are getting the same kind of talent. It's not like Indiana is the only Big Ten school getting ranked recruits.

Yeah, he still comes off as the best candidate IMO. It's just the personal s*** that won't make him electable.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 02:02 PM) I think the government hiring the people who are out of work and putting them towards rebuilding America is a great idea. I feel however that the unions might not be on board. Well let me rephrase that, they will be on board as long as this temporary force pays union dues. I think this, plus adding tax incidentives to companies that hire unemployed people, including a sliding scale of tax incentives for hiring the 99ers. I'd be fine with this. Hell, most are receiving unemployment paid for by the Federal government anyway. Might as well make em work for it.

Am I the only one remembering how this franchise loses consistently to inferior talent? Or the team that loses to the Falcons with a 22 second scoring drive as time wound down? At best Lovie is an average coach who keeps getting flukey winning seasons just as his firing is imminent. We should have hired Rex Ryan to extend the Ryan legacy here in Chicago. Maybe Rob will come this way once he's had his fill with Dallas.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 02:47 PM) To watch them not get close to the tournament again?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 01:35 PM) I was specifically saying contenders in Lovie's tenure. The Eagles have the same number of division titles in that time frame, more playoff appearances and the same number of Super Bowl Appearances. Not saying they are remotely as good as the Eagles have been, but just clarifying the time frame I was looking at. I just don't see why people thing Lovie is a good coach. Under his tenure they've had 3 ok season, on mediocre season and 3 losing seasons. I'm sure this will be a fourth losing season. They guy is average all the way.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 01:07 PM) It's called a crack pot theory because it's probably wrong, but it's fun to try and think outside the box. It's something I learned from a LOST podcast I used to listen to. True, but this is episode one of season one, there is a lot of time to go. They could turn things later this year, or even next.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 12:48 PM) No, I dont lack that and you know that. You are now just acting like a dick for no reason. I just want to understand how the Bears havent consistently been competing for a Super Bowl over the last several years (Lovie's tenure). I am a Bears fan and I hate the offense as much as anyone, its been the story of our lives. My point, which you neglect to actually read and understand, is that how can you say a team like the Eagles and Packers are more competitive when they have the same or similar results as the Bears. If you line up records, divison titles etc they are all fairly even. So how can 2 of the 3 be more competitive than the other one? The Eagles dominated their division for the better part of the 00's. 5 NFC championship games in an 8 year period. The Bears have 2 in the last 23 years. The Packers have 5 in the same 23 year period but 2 rings. So no, I wouldn't say they are even. The Bears are a perennial Super Bowl Contender as much as the Bucs or Panthers are. In the NFL any team can get hot and make a run for a season. But anyone paying attention to the Bears knows that they haven't been Super Bowl quality since '85. 2006 was a fluke and 2010 was an even bigger fluke. Edit: and all 2 NFC championship games and one SB appearance despite having 2-3 HOF players on defense/special teams (Urlacher, Hester and Gould) and a top ten defense for about 6 years straight. It's pretty f***ing pathetic really.