quickman

Look for me its simple, if you cannot find a player elsewhere than you go with a strength. Find a better outfielder in the minors, even if that outfielder is not a lead of hitter. Your lineup at the top will need to change until Pods comes back. If that means bringing up, Borcahrd or Anderson to play the outfield and having less speed at the top of the lineup then do that. Playing Harris out of position and batting his 200 average, with zero bunting ability tells me Ozzie is indeed out of his mind. This should not happen.

This topic is making me sick, does this actually sound like a team that could win the World series? Would the Redsox, Yankees,or Angels bring up a guy like Willie Harris to play out of position for two weeks? This is the best we have, or the best we can get? Now you know why others around the country don't take us seriously.

QUOTE(JimH @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 01:14 PM) anyone not named quickman. I am a man of the people as you know. As opposed to you, you are a man of the peephole. walk on water for me...then I will believe you. By the way, I spackled the peepholes, I have graduated to mini cameras.

QUOTE(JimH @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 01:07 PM) For the record, I don't enjoy just any beer. I like cheap beer. In fact I plan to have two Huber Bocks tonite before dinner. I may even watch an episode of "Friends" while doing so, then again maybe not. Actually I like a chick who makes me laugh and smiles alot, I would have a good time with Lisa Kudrow to be honest. oh god, what else do you like Jim, Please tell so we can all get to know you.

QUOTE(JimH @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 01:00 PM) Brando! really, hmm I thought I liked him.

QUOTE(Mr. Showtime @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 12:59 PM) Hold on here, I never claimed to be a Jim fan. I just enjoy reading when you guys go back and forth. its all about Jim, at least that is what he thinks.

lineup is awful. Just awful

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 12:52 PM) Jim....you kill me. oh man another fan. Jim is very good with young boys!

QUOTE(JimH @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 12:44 PM) I can just see you at the day spa now .... You and the mrs., holding hands while getting a mud pack and two cucumber slices over your eyes, with WNUA 95.5 playing in the background. admit it I have always been in touch with my femine side. I really need 94world champs or whatever his new name will be next week, to tell me what beverage to drink. I mean he really convinced me about "the Baj". I am so in line with our farm system now I can't wait for all our Major league players to leave. Gload should take konerko's place next year, can't wait for that to happen, and Baj should be the closer of the future. Damn I am convinced now. Where is that White wine spritzer, Jim pass the sparkling water will ya I need to mix it with the Chablis or you can just pass me one of those gay beers since I can't sit at the big table and drink with the major leaguers.

QUOTE(JimH @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 12:42 PM) Like any guy with Jennifer Aniston, right? Aniston is extremely average.

QUOTE(JimH @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 12:11 PM) Wow, I learn something new every day. s*** if beer is gay maybe I should check myself and turn gay. hell everyone else in the world is gay now days.

QUOTE('94WorldChamps @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 11:12 AM) Indeed. Ok, tell which "talent" Gload so obviously lacks. Willie has been given plenty of chances and the verdict is in: can't cut it in the bigs. Not the same boat as Gload who waited patiently behind Helton, Vaughn, Gracie, then succeeding the only chance he got, then injured his shoulder and was practically decommissioned. And Brown's numbers pale in comparison to Gload's right now. Blum is a joke. Barely enough range to handle 3B, let alone 2B/3B. Can't hit to save his life the last two years... Hmmm. This organization is known for occasionally putting petty politics and front office egos above the interest of the team. And Ozzie isn't anybody's judge of talent. So I don't see the "if he was so good, how come he is rotting in AAA... It makes no sense!" line of reasoning as some kind of arguement-killer trhat you apparently do. To each his own. If what you say is true than other teams should be lining up to trade for him in the off season. We will see.

QUOTE(JimH @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 11:10 AM) Hey, speaking of selling, did you know that domain name is for sale? stopyourself.com ? That would be perfect for you. You can have one page set up to be your Bully Pulpit with all things political. Then you could have a big Excel spreadsheet on another page to navigate thru all your White Sox tickets and who has what. Another page could be all the places that serve PBR, Blatz, or good donuts. Still another page could be a list of all the insults we've hurled at one another. And you could have a pictures page and put on Angry Politte, Sara Beeson, Jennifer Aniston, and Wes Whisler. You can call it Quickman's Favorites. how much?

QUOTE('94WorldChamps @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 10:41 AM) I may not convince you, but I may convince somebody else not to buy what you're selling. I may be wrong in the end, then so be it. Well I am not selling anything on this board. I do that everyday for a living, this board is 80% pro Baj anyway, so no need to be so defensive. Not trying to convince you either, you know what you believe as well as I do. You jumped in on the thread because you felt passionate about the players or system mentioned. I am not as bullish about those particular players or how our system has progressed or not progressed. I am old now, seen alot of drafts and alot of can't miss players actually miss. I care only about the big club and winning the world series. I really do not care which players we have to win it. I personally do not care about how they feel, if they got a fair shot or if they have 12 kids. WIN just WIN.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 10:27 AM) I'd say Viz may not be back next season, and maybe not Marte. That leaves possibly 2 spots open, 1 possibly for a free agent, and 1 in house for a guy like Baj possibly. He's not a stuff guy, if he had better stuff he'd probably be on a major league team right now. But when you look what he's done over the past 3 years, the majority of the last 2 at a hitters paradise in Charlotte (with sub 2 ERA's), he's been unlucky to not get a chance. If he was in an organization like the Tampa Bay Devil Rays who are crying out for relievers, he definitely would have by now. Ok we will see, we will pick up this conversation next year. What will happen to this board if he doesn't make the team next year? There will be people jumping out of there windows.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 10:22 AM) Malone is not the closer in AA. Dwanye Pollok and Paulino Reynoso are actually rotating the role. Almonte was all the way back in 2001 BTW. thanks I apprecaite that, which one of those guys will play for us in the next 3 years? None. My falult on malone. Didn't he get a save the other day?

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 10:19 AM) The guys in the pen in front of Jeff Bajenaru; Dustin Hermanson, Neal Cotts, Cliff Politte, Bobby Jenks, Damaso Marte and Luis Vizcaino (Adkins as the long man). That's a damn good pen, and almost every other major league team would love to have it. Therefore there's no room for Baj at the moment. Maybe teams have tried to trade for him and KW has said no. It's awfully premajure to write a guy off after he's had what 8 innings of major league relief. People were falling over themselves bashing the crap out of Neal Cotts earlier in the year. After 1 simple adjustment now they're fallin all over themselves to get on his bandwagon. Ok we will see if he is on the team or any team next year. I highly doubt it.

QUOTE('94WorldChamps @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 10:15 AM) I merely brought up Diaz as an example of someone who failed not because of his 90 mph fastball, but because all of the sudden he lacked everything else that made him successful in the minors. I am not a fan, to say the least. MaCarthy, Gio, Broadway, Lumsden aren't guaranteed s***, but to write them off already is beyond preposterous. I don't buy the garbage time arguement, not completely anyway - it's simply not as easy as you're making it out to be. Bigs are bigs. And it's not Gload's fault he was given a chance in late August. Great undiscovered talent? What's next? A 1st-ballot Haller? Seriously, the guy has a low-maintanence, compact gap-happy swing from the Left side, and he can run and field better than your average 1st sacker. He's clearly a man among boys in Charlotte. With injuries to Everett and Podsednik, he deserved a second shot. He didn't get it. I will agree with your point about not writing them off. I didn't write all of them off. I do think Baj won't make it. Stuck with Borachrd and crede way too long. Thought they would be all stars. Crede is average not an all star. Drank the cool aid of Willie Harris, the next ray durham. My point is most don't make it, MOST, and the ones that do are either role players or stars. We have very few that are stars.

QUOTE('94WorldChamps @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 10:15 AM) I merely brought up Diaz as an example of someone who failed not because of his 90 mph fastball, but because all of the sudden he lacked everything else that made him successful in the minors. I am not a fan, to say the least. MaCarthy, Gio, Broadway, Lumsden aren't guaranteed s***, but to write them off already is beyond preposterous. I don't buy the garbage time arguement, not completely anyway - it's simply not as easy as you're making it out to be. Bigs are bigs. And it's not Gload's fault he was given a chance in late August. Great undiscovered talent? What's next? A 1st-ballot Haller? Seriously, the guy has a low-maintanence, compact gap-happy swing from the Left side, and he can run and field better than your average 1st sacker. He's clearly a man among boys in Charlotte. With injuries to Everett and Podsednik, he deserved a second shot. He didn't get it. but why didn't he get the chance?

QUOTE(JimH @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 10:14 AM) Some flaws here, but thanks for enlightening us, where have you been all our lives, how did we get by without the benefit of your vast knowledge? Rauch was a head case, before and after the shoulder problem. Kris Honel, I hope he makes it, the odds are long. They outrighted him and not one of the other 29 teams took a chance. He's another guy who needed (needs?) to mature. Like I said I hope he comes around. Cotts ... has found his niche. As a starter, he doesn't have the necessary pitches. Just my opinion. Munoz and Diaz ... I watched them both crap their pants in Tucson, so no thanks on those two guys. I have nothing against them personally, I just prefer they don't pitch for the White Sox so I don't have to watch them crap their pants in the majors. Apparantly the Sox agree with this POV because they're not here. I like the Broadway pick, I feel he has the smarts, and I like his low walk totals, albeit in High A ball. I think he has a good shot. We'll see. And just as we have both identified ... we'll see. I'm not counting on any of them frankly. Too many flame out. No one here is a true judge of talent, it's all just opinions anyways. don't forget Edwin almonte, he was our closer in double A. Now Corwin Malone is the closer in doubleA. Wasn't Corwin one of our top left handed prospects, Paving the way for the great Wes Whisler.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 09:57 AM) Ok quick name 10 other minor league systems that are better than the Sox's for me (and it's a serious question because I think with the way our prospects have played this season so far it's certainly gone up the list). Don't you think getting Jenks was good scouting for KW and the minor league guru's as well? I don't really agree 100% with the statement that we didn't develop him. Sure he had his stuff, but he was a train wreck. The Sox and the guys down in B-Ham gave him guidance on and off the field, converted him into a closer, and got him to throw strikes. Don't forget this on Baj too quick, he was 22 when he was drafted by the Sox. He's 26-27 now. He missed 2002 with that shoulder injury. Since then he's posted ERA's of 3.2 in B-Ham (2003), 1.34 in B-Ham (04), 1.80 in Charlotte (04) and 1.04 this season in Charlotte. In reference to Jim's earlier post about using Adkins instead of Baj, I've haven't got so much of a problem with that as other posters here. What I did have a problem with however, was Kevin Walker being given an oppurtunity, not once but twice, despite the fact he had terrible numbers down in Charlotte, and wasn't even used as a lefty LOOGY because he couldn't even get any hitters out at all. Here comes the Baj apologist. I really don't care who was injured and when. I know you like him but why isn't he playing here or any other damn ball club. I will measure the players on what they do here. I don't think he will make it. Whats wrong with that? So far I am right. Please tell me when he makes this club and sticks. LEt me know.When?

QUOTE('94WorldChamps @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 09:58 AM) Yes, I am an apologist for our minor league system. But only when the opposite POV is half-uninformed and half-kneejerk-doom-n-gloom. I didn't praise Diaz. In fact, quite the opposite. Read. Gload has only been give ONE shot to become an everyday player... and he did! High-800 OPS as an everyday player in August-Septeber of '04. So try again. And how easy do ou think is it to dominate AAA to the extent that they do? Giving up 2 HR in 60 innings in that bandbox alone is worthy of some kind of medal. What's with the (organization) inferiority complex? Jenks was totally given up on by "them". Ditto Garland. And Cotts. Hence, they're ours. Not that it makes a difference. Personally, you will not convince me so why try?All they did with jenks is take away his booze. For the other players you mention, so far I am right. Are they here? NO, if they do play regulary, then you win, if its more the same then I win. I do know how to read, thanks. I read how you explained pitching to me, God I was enlightened. With that explanation why in the world would Baj be in the minors? Only you can tell us. BUT he is and so is gload. SO far I am right about these guys, but you can keep your expert analyzation. Seems you are pretty bold for a new guy, or maybe your just another retread.

QUOTE('94WorldChamps @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 09:34 AM) Most were bleeders, placers or bloopers like Ichiro, Winn, etc. Not saying Jeff was on top of his game by any means; wasn't his usual poinpoint self, velocity was down by an mph or two. But he definately didn't look "out of his league" as is the implication here, especially considering he was far from 100% health-wise. The logic that he must of not made a connection with Ozzie flat-out doesn't work for me. I trust my eyes. It doesn't matter if Adkins can go 4 innings if he gives up 2-3 runs, ok? If need be, do away with a useless shlub like Blum and promote yet another reliever. Get creative with the pen. "Baj" can go 2-3 innings if the game is not out of reach. All the talk of Gload or Bajenaru not being able to translate their performance to the bigs is a bit puzzling. Along with Jenks, they might actually be the two most ML-ready players we have in the minors. Yes, ahead of MaCarthy, ahead of Anderson. All you're going by keeping a superior player in the minors is sending an ambiguous message to the rest of the affiliates/ML clubhouse. Excellence should always be rewarded. Timo, Ozuna, Willie, Blum - dreck, positional "versatility" or not. Anyway, I am curious if you at all agree with my previous post, on Page 43. Thanks. 94, I have no idea who or what you are you seem to be new to the board, but you sound like an apologist for the Whitesox minor league system. its ok, you keep doing what you want to do. I don't beleive there is alot of talent there, whether thats because of injury or our scouting or the way the kids have developed. We can disagree, your posts won't conivnce me otherwise, and I appreciate the lesson in how pitching works. It actually describes to me how you in particular know much more than others on this board. Gives you instant credability. Save your posts let me know when Baj makes it, and Diaz makes it or if Gload becomes a regular everyday player. My argument has never been Adkins versus Baj or any other player. My argument is that we have a crappy minor league system and have had one for the past 5 or so years. As to your above quotes - I do think Jenks is ready "we didn't develop him" nice pick up though. Gload is a backup player, thats all he will be and yes he tears up AAA pitching because he spent his life there. Both Baj and Gload are better because they are older but there game should have transitioned already. They will never make it playing everyday. So far I am right.

QUOTE(JimH @ Aug 14, 2005 -> 08:43 AM) You bring up this exact same point every other day. Let me try to put it succinctly for you, maybe it will sink in. THERE ARE 12 PITCHERS HERE TO KEEP ALL THE ARMS FRESH. THE TEAM IS BUILT AROUND PITCHING. IT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO KEEP THE ARMS FRESH THAN GET ROSS GLOAD 5 AT BATS PER WEEK. God damn man, Ross Gload is a marginal reserve player for a reason. If he were that good, don't you think other teams would've scooped him up long ago? Give it a freakin' rest. Every other day it's the same stuff from you. it gets to you doesn't it. This is good training for me, I have two kids under ten.

QUOTE('94WorldChamps @ Aug 13, 2005 -> 11:47 PM) And how exactly did you come to that conclusion? Based on 8 meaningless innings which he logged with a torn groin? The only hard-hit ball was by Vlad, btw... Considering the second and third chances afforded to irredeemable losers by this organization in recent memory, you'd think the guy would be rewarded for his mL dominance as part of the Grinder Plan... What Adkins did today - go 2 innings - Bajenaru can do with his eyes closed. And he won't give up a month's worth of rockets in the process, either. And we seem to agree that Ozzie is a moron who gets credit for so much s*** he has little to nothing to do with. So why do you put so much faith in his ability to judge talent/make wise personel decisions when it comes to either Bajenaru or the gap-demon Gload? Look at the junk we have on our roster, for crying outloud! the defense of this board about this guy is unreal. I say it because I believe it. You believe the other teenagers who are in love with the guy. He won't make it.