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QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 04:12 PM) I'm just going to ignore that second paragraph where you again go off topic. Regarding his revised quote, yes of course I agree. I took no issue with it, and if that was all he said, then great. But its not. He said something else before going back and mopping up his mess. Its his first quote that I took issue with. I've stated my point like 5 times now, and you keep wanting to direct me towards other quotes that are not what I commented on. I give up. Sorry then I am totally misunderstanding your point. I thought your concern was his earlier statement that we are a Christian Country, founded on Christian Values. I do not believe anyone thinks McCain is going to try and create a national religion, like the monopoly that the Church of England enjoyed when the Constitution was written. I'm not certain what your concern is in regards to what he would do as the President. I am sorry I am not understanding your post.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 03:44 PM) I worked for Comcast - I did like their product (but I didn't live in a Comcast area, blah). The market here is now Time Warner... the product itself is good - especially as they upgrade one of the oldest cable plants in the United States, but the customer service is s***, they are arrogant screwtards, and their ondemand can't touch Comcast's. And Greasy, no programming issues, just purely technology/image/even HD (I'm probably going to get an HDTV in a month or two). I went with cable at my new place for a few reasons 1. I was most familar with Time Warner and Road Runner so no learning curve. 2. Road Runner vs. DSL. Speed/cost

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 03:34 PM) You keep reverting to the question of whether or not the President is Christian, which is not what I am talking about. I could care less if the President is Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, B'Hai or Santaria. That is not what I took issue with. See my quote, again, in bold from that post earlier. It has zero to do with the religion of the President. That fact that you keep making it about that just illustrates my point - It shouldn't matter one bit what the President's religion is. What matters is the recognition of religious plurality, freedoms, jurisprudence and history. I can't make it any more clear than that. The United States is NOT a Christian nation - it is a pluralistic society, as protected in the words of the Constitution, and has so hard fought by the founders of this nation. McCain's apparent lack of knowledge of this fact is disturbing to me. He said "What I do mean to say is the United States of America was founded on the values of Judeo-Christian values, which were translated by our founding fathers which is basically the rights of human dignity and human rights," Do you disagree with that? I don't. And are we talking theoretical or in reality? We keep electing Protestants to office, we have In God We Trust on our currency. In court, until recently we swore under oath to God. Most people disagree with the courts when nativity scenes are taken down. Seems like the American public sure accepts Christian values. Why are there no avowed atheists running? Islamics? Buddists?

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 03:20 PM) Again missing the point. Note that I said nothing about his other quote, where he said he'd want to vote for a Christian. I have zero problem with that. Stick to the other quote, the one I quoted again above. That is the one I take issue with. I responded with this already, isn't that spot on? When was the last non-Christian President? It was in my lifetime, but barely, that a Catholic was elected. And that was earth shattering with many people believing the Vatican would control the US. We like our Presidents Protestant. So I would say that most Americans vote for Christian candidates. And I guess it doesn't matter who McCain would vote for, he's only one vote, but who the American public will vote for. He's stating he will govern with Christian values, those same values are shared by non-Christians as well.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 03:09 PM) Did you read his quote? He said, AND I QUOTE: the Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation This has zero to do with media bias - I am dealing with what he said, what came out of his mouth. He's wrong on this one, and its indicative of a view that will not sit well with those of us who have no desire to see this country turned into a religious state. And he later explained I guess I have to ask who is the atheist that is running? It's been a long time that a candidate hasn't cast his first vote with God when he runs.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 03:11 PM) DirecTV > Cable, Dish Network, anything else Maybe from programming, but Kap was speaking technology, I'd place it Cable > Direct > Dish

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 03:04 PM) I expect the President to be more objective, and above allowing his/her biases to stand in the way of basic freedoms as guaranteed in the Constitution, as well as the consistent history of religious plurality and acceptance in the United States. If McCain thinks this was intended to be a nation of one religion, then he needs to go do some reading. Not what he said, so that isn't an issue.

Kap, there are too many variables, drive around your neighborhood and look.

Most Americans want someone like themselves to be President. I think if more people would read what he said than listen to the liberal media reporting what he said, this would not be an issue for him. I guess we know now how the liberal media is going to cover McCain, again.

QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 02:39 PM) I have a problem with allowing self financing with campaigns. To fix it would you set the limit at $0? A percentage of the overall total spent? Is there some level you are comfortable with?

BTW, I was speaking with a volunteer from a local blood bank and she mentioned donations have been down among the retirees because they can't donate for x months after getting a tat. I was thinking to myself wtf? are old people getting that many tats. It's all the "permanent" makeup being done.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 02:20 PM) Yep - there's one of the problems. Back to work, dammit! Agreed, and I was guessing that's where you were going. I have a problem when it isn't voluntary via unions, subscriptions, membership, etc.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 02:15 PM) They cost more than one night with Jim, too I'll take your word for it, don't ask, don't tell

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 12:24 PM) I'd think you might eventually get a tad bored...no? Or does George tickle your fancy that much? eventually. I'd damn sure like to sing like him.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7093001332.html I remember buying a TI-30. Amazing stuff.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 01:50 PM) PACs annoy me. I'll share why later. I like voluntarily joined PACs. I'll share later as well.

I thought a thread to discuss campaign finances would be interesting in its own right.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 01:30 PM) The problem is that the speech doesn't fit into a 5 second soundbyte. You would literally have 95% of America changing the channel if you tried to explain the Middle East in that fashion. Its just sad to be honest. Most American's don't understand the rest of the world, because we only see things through our own eyes. But he has some great sound bytes in there. I wish more people would take a sound byte and follow it for more information. But it is probably too much to ask most Americans until the general to take the time. And ironically we are willing to fight and die for others to vote, but won't actually vote ourselves. Perhaps the greatest irony of democracy.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 12:56 PM) Hey, at least we know Kucinich wouldn't stray or play while at work. . . because he doesn't need to. Two thoughts, somewhere there is a supermodel and a guy who's tired of putting up with her s***. and She's too hot for him.

Nice try PA.

The closer the power is to the people, the better the accountability.

Hillary's spouse arguably has the best political credentials of any of the candidate spouses. I've been reading a bit about Cindy McCain and am very impressed Cindy McCain's Volunteer Efforts / About Cindy McCain / Informing You / Home I did not start this thread to tout Cindy as the end all in spouses, I do not know much of anything about the other spouses, but Cindy does seem genuine.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 11:50 AM) Astros drew over 3 million people for the second year in a row. Kind of funny that they didn't get up over 3 million in 2005 when, well, you know. They lost. And in the end, isn't profit what we really care about? We demand that the team does not over pay for a player, no matter their abilities. We'd love A-Rod at $10,000,000, hate him at $25,000,000, because that would lower the team's profit. $$

QUOTE(jasonxctf @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 11:56 AM) any justice, liberal or conservative, is trying to put their ideology into the court and onto their decisions. anyone claiming otherwise is full of sh*t. How else would they decide? I disagree with "ideology", I think "opinion" rooted in their ideology, would be more accurate. And that's why we have more than one Justice, and why I like a few from the range of ideologies. And by nature, ideologies are not right or wrong, they are just differences.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 12:07 PM) Eep. There is a few names on there you really don't want to be endorsing you. I was wondering if any "thanks but no thanks" happen with anyone. I imagine yes.