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QUOTE(Jenksismyb**** @ May 31, 2007 -> 09:10 AM) Would people have an issue with this (permanent base there)? My dad seems to think that was the point of this entire war. The Bush people thought the best and easiest target was Iraq, which wouldn't take long to overhaul, and then we could move onto the bigger evil-doers in Iran. But along the way we found out that taking over a country and implementing a new government is hard work and takes a little longer than expected. At least it would give us the ability to protect the oil fields... And taking over a country by violence is exactly why some countries distrust us. Statehood for Iraq!

But after we leave, it crumbles like a house of cards.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 31, 2007 -> 07:42 AM) Out of curiousity, if this kid snaps and shoots a bunch of people in a couple of years, will they still feel that dropping the charges was the right thing to do? Great point. I just wonder under existing laws what we could do to stop it? I think about the only option would be an involuntary admission to a Psychiatric Hospital.

QUOTE(Alpha Dog @ May 31, 2007 -> 08:20 AM) I fixed that for you. When they take on a pro-second amendment case or two, let me know. Great point. I'm trying to think of a Constitutional case involving the 2nd that has been tried recently. We also have the NRA and all of our attorneys there, so the ACLU probably isn't of much help. I know I'd rather have paid NRA attorneys than volunteers from the ACLU defending my gun rights.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 31, 2007 -> 07:01 AM) Well I am glad to see you have stayed consistant with the racist attitude that American's are better than the rest of the world, but migrants are bad enough to work our lowest paying, hardest working jobs. I don't see what is wrong with having American's work tough jobs, but that is just me. For some people their skill set dictates that they would be best served picking fruit or digging a ditch. I don't know why you want to attach a stigma to that, because it is honest work. I know it HAS to be a black and white issue, because that's the way the filibuster, much like our electoral process, has to be, but in reality it doesn't... Anyway, I can't help but thinking if there are still 500,000 people a year willing to risk their lives to get here either by paying Coyotes or risking their own lives in the desert, how many more people would come here legally if given the opportunity? Also think about the laws of places like Mexico, which treat illegals way worse than the US does, pretty much holding them for bribes and/or ranson in some scenarios. How many people never migrate from Central and South America because of those laws who would like to come here? Now look at the wars and genocides in places like Africa... I just read the other day that there are two million refugees estimated in Sudan alone, who are displaced because of the janjaweed. How many of those people would love to have a job in the US? Staying in Africa, how many people have lost entire families from the scourges of AIDS or Malaria, or even famine, and would like to start over in the US. How about all of the Iraqi and Palestinian refugees? Do you think any of them would like to start over here? How about people escaping Shariah in parts of the world? Well anyway you get the point. We could easily find 12 million people around the world who want to work in the US. There are no shortage of people who want to come to the US and work here if we had the balls in institute a real immigration policy, instead of our historic plan consisting of getting here and hiding until the next Amnesty comes around. We need to set our immigration system within other countries so that we can review potential immigrants there to decide who best fits the US and its needs. People should be applying to come to the US at the embassy in their home country, not after risking their lives illegally to get here. That would also remove the geographic bias for those who are close to the US versus people who are half a world a way, but in reality could use the break of moving the US a lot more. Now before everyone starts screaming about cost, the illegals are costing us a lot of money just by being here. I read a Heritage Foundation study that estimated currently illegals cost the US taxpayers $20,000 per person, per year. I am sure that you believe this alone is reason enough to send home 12 million illegals, what with your strong convictions about balanced budgets and all. According to my calculations that would equal out to be about $240 billion per year, which would balance out our budget, problem solved, right? Well even if you are willing to swallow your budget morals in this case and say its OK to go into debt in this case, why not spend the money smarter? If we are willing to swallow $20k a person for illegals, wouldn't you rather spend that money for full US citizens, with all of the rights and privledges that go with that? Well in that case I just found you nearly a quarter trillion dollars a year that is already being spent by the US government to spend on this problem. People to re-fill the labor pool legally, check. Money to fund programs, check. I agree that many more would be willing to come with legal immigration, and we need to do that. As I have said all along, we need to tie any immigration reforms into jobs. No jobs, no immigration. Sadly, no elected official has proposed that. How much does a legal worker in a job that pays $14,000 a year cost the country? That is the point you keep forgetting. The working poor generally qualify for all sorts of benefits. We will be paying that when the legal workers arrive as well. In fact, as you have pointed out, when these jobs go on the books, Social Security takes a hit when more low end jobs are added to the pipeline. Have you figured out how to bring these jobs on the books and avoid that crisis? I did not. Doesn't matter who works these jobs, the budget takes a hit. We have one of the greatest education systems in the world. A person who has the benefit of that system can dream of a better job than working in a car wash. Third world education systems are not that good and access is limited. It isn't racist to know that there is a pool of workers willing and eager to do these jobs and Americans that do not want those jobs. BTW, it was you in an earlier thread that pointed that out. The topic was wars and which soldiers die first. I don't care where the workers come from, but we need a system that allows immigration when we have jobs to support it. I don't care what country these workers come from. I'm not an accountant so help me here. Wouldn't it cost more to bring in a family from the Sudan than Mexico? It does not make sense for a business to spend more to relocate a worker when an equally qualified worker could be found for less. The reason we have these immigrants from Mexico is how cheap it is to arrive on our shores compared to other third world countries. I also know we benefit when we share a border with a relatively stable country. I would love to see the end of illegals coming to this country. I would love to see this problem solved without destroying our economy. The cost to replace 12,000,000 workers with new workers, over night, seems impossible, but I'm certain it can be done. From the standpoint of the businesses that find they have illegals working for them, the cost will be high, perhaps put some out of business. We will probably have to endure higher prices. I have sympathy for those that are victims of forgery, none for those that knowingly hired them.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 31, 2007 -> 07:39 AM) Because the generally protect pedophiles? Its kind of like the Catholic church scandal, but without the scandal. I'm generally not a big fan of the ACLU, they tend to be suing my Church and my employer on a semi-regular basis. But to be fair, they are always defending the Constitution. They do this by making certain that the lowest forms of life are allowed their rights. By making certain that those low life's are allowed all the rights that the Constitution guarantees, we know that everyone else will be protected as well. I don't see anyone else doing that. Free legal services are a rare thing for scum bags to get. It also makes for strange bedfellows. I know one very conservative former attorney turned Judge who was very supportive of the ACLU. His love of our legal system and our Constitution was great enough to want to see it preserved. He would speak of a slippery slope when scum bags (my words) lose their Constitutional rights just for being scum bags. My problem, and I am certain quite a few others here, is how they interpret the Constitution. I never have liked it when we try and paint an entire organization bad based on the actions of a small percentage of members.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ May 31, 2007 -> 12:19 AM) I remember watching Lidsville as a kid back in the day, and it was only a few years later that i realized the weird guy from Match Game was the baddie from that show. I only just found out about the Circus Fire connection after Chas died, but reading it it jogged another bit of useless trivia I had tucked away about that American tragedy. There's a famous front page newspaper photo of Hobo Clown "Weary Willie" Emmet Kelly helping to try to put out the Hartford Fire, and that tragedy actually changed Kelly's make-up for therest of his career. The black teardrop that he always included in his make-up after that fire was his personal memorial to the victims. So yeah, i do need to purge the cranial hard drive of all the clutter. All that ~and~ a PhD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshtigo_Fire I never knew that on the same day as the Chicago Fire three other towns around Lake Michigan also were destroyed with this being the deadliest in history.

QUOTE(BigEdWalsh @ May 31, 2007 -> 12:14 AM) The long and winding road There has to be a twist I rode my motorcycle in the rain. flirtin with disaster He's going the distance Gonna eat a lot of Peaches And I was standin' on the side of the road Standing in line, marking time, waiting for the welfare dime Then I saw her face The girl with the kaleidoscope eyes A brown eyed girl in hand me downs Blinded me.....with SCIENCE She was the best damn woman I had ever seen Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds She ain't exactly small 42-39-56 BABY GOT BACK! She knows she got everything a woman needs to get a man, yeah. One Bourbon, one Scotch, one beer.I don't wanna touch you too much baby 'cuz making love to you might drive me crazy Cause southern belles are hell at nightI'm a cowboy, on a steel horse I ride Cowboy take me away Slob on my knob, like corn on the cob Lie back and let me unlock you I've got a brand new pair of roller skate, you've got a brand new key She's a super freak, a super freak, she's super freeeeakaaayyyyyy Why don't you come with me little girl, on a magic carpet ride? You aint seen nothing yet But with a magnifying glance, I just sort of look her over. Now I'm back in the ring to take another swing And I fell in to a burning ring of fire Burn baby burn! - Disco inferno! Burn baby burn! - Burn that mama down, yoh! Yeah Im hot blooded, check it and see Feel the fever burning inside of me Lord amighty! I feel my temperature risin' I'm so hot for you and you're so cold Why can't I free your doubtful mind and melt your cold, cold heart Let's get together Before we get much older. Because I'm turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so Walking on thin ice, I'm paying the price For throwing the dice in the air. You're as cold as ice. You're willing to sacrifice our love I see a little silhouetto of a man, Scaramouche,scaramouche will you do the fandango- Turned cartwheels cross the floor Like the circles that you find In the windmills of your mind I'm so dizzy, my head is spinning. Ride a painted pony let the spinnin' wheel spin. And it stoned me to my soul, stoned me just like Jellyroll Everybody must get stoned That Ain't no way to have fun, son Some people claim there's a woman to blame Young girl, get out of my mind My love for you is way out of line And they called it puppy love Tonight's the night for you to hit it doggie style If you don't expect too much from me, you might not be let down Where it all ends I can't fathom, my friends. If I knew, I might toss out my anchor. I just spent six months in a leaky boat, lucky just to keep afloat. Call for the Captain ashore Let me go home, let me go home The captains tell they pay you well. But How ya gonna make some time when all you got is one thin dime? Time is on my side, yes it is. Time everlasting, time to play B-Sides. When they know they have you, they really have you. Haven't you noticed the days somehow keep getting longer. It won't be long 'til Summer comes, now that the boys are here again. And if you let me cool you one time, you'll be my regular stop. Oh the dashboard melted but we still have the radio. Hey mister DJ, I just wanna hear some rhythm & blues right now On the radio, on the radio, on, on the radio. Dancing in the moonlight, everybody's feelin' warm and right. Well it's a marvelous night for a moondance There's a girl right next to you, and she's just waiting for something to do. Wild thing...you make my heart sing...You make everything groovy. Sing, sing a song, make it simple to last the whole night long I'm singing this note 'cause it fits in well with the way I'm feeling. Boy, you sure took me for one big ride and even now I sit and I wonder why. Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids But Mama, that's where the fun is. And she'll have fun fun fun til her daddy takes the t-bird away. Well, I ain't been home to see my baby, in ninety nine and one half days.

I don't like a knuckleball late and with men on base. And I'm a huge Wilbur Wood fan so it isn't like I never like aq knuckleball, just not in the 8th in a 2 run game.

Wilbur Wood (well known to older fans so maybe doesn't apply) Switching topics slightly, my all-time favoreite roll player off the bench was on the Bulls, Granville Waiters. At the end of a blow out, the stadium faithful would start a Grraaaaaaaaanville cheer. Back top the Sox. Jorge Orta or Carlos May.

QUOTE(caulfield12 @ May 30, 2007 -> 09:38 PM) baseball that would you personally would like to see stay with the organization through the end of 2008 (and beyond)? Let's just call them "building blocks" for the future, although I know a few will blink once or twice at Thome and Konerko's names. I'll try to average out the results over time to get a clearer picture of where everyone stands as a composite. 1. Buehrle 2. Konerko 3. Danks 4. Garland 5. Thome (we have to maintain some left-handed pop, plus his OBP is so strong) 6. Jenks 7. Gio Gonzalez 8. Sweeney 9. Fields 10. Tie-Thornton/Russell Thome is on a decline and not that important beyond 2007 maybe 2008. If we are thinking just the next two seasons, I wouldn't look too deep at our farm system. 40% of your list has less than a few months of MLB experience. Absent some dream scenario of trades, etc. All the keys for 2007/08 are on the 25 man roster today. Challenges for 2009 and beyond will depend too much on working out contracts with guys like Buerhle.

Are there manatees in South Texas waters? I thought I saw either a manatee or a really ugly guy drowning. I've read a couple sites that say yes, but no one down here reports actually seeing one.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ May 29, 2007 -> 05:12 PM) A Little Charlie Nelson Reily trivia for you: He played the evil magician Hoodoo on the Kroft Brothers' Lidsville in 1971. Butch Patrick (Eddie Munster) pleyed opposite him as the teenager protagonist Mark. As a kid, he survived the infamous Hartford, CN, Circus Fire in 1944, and from that day on he never sat in an audience again. Oh, yeah, I think he also might have been a little gay. How long have you had those facts rattling around, all alone in that brain of yours, waiting to use them?

QUOTE(BigEdWalsh @ May 30, 2007 -> 11:02 PM) The long and winding road There has to be a twist I rode my motorcycle in the rain. flirtin with disaster He's going the distance Gonna eat a lot of Peaches And I was standin' on the side of the road Standing in line, marking time, waiting for the welfare dime Then I saw her face The girl with the kaleidoscope eyes A brown eyed girl in hand me downs Blinded me.....with SCIENCE She was the best damn woman I had ever seen Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds She ain't exactly small 42-39-56 BABY GOT BACK! She knows she got everything a woman needs to get a man, yeah. One Bourbon, one Scotch, one beer.I don't wanna touch you too much baby 'cuz making love to you might drive me crazy Cause southern belles are hell at night I'm a cowboy, on a steel horse I ride Cowboy take me away Slob on my knob, like corn on the cob Lie back and let me unlock you I've got a brand new pair of roller skate, you've got a brand new key She's a super freak, a super freak, she's super freeeeakaaayyyyyy Why don't you come with me little girl, on a magic carpet ride? You aint seen nothing yet But with a magnifying glance, I just sort of look her over. Now I'm back in the ring to take another swing And I fell in to a burning ring of fire Burn baby burn! - Disco inferno! Burn baby burn! - Burn that mama down, yoh! Yeah Im hot blooded, check it and see Feel the fever burning inside of me Lord amighty! I feel my temperature risin' I'm so hot for you and you're so cold Why can't I free your doubtful mind and melt your cold, cold heart Let's get together Before we get much older. Because I'm turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so Walking on thin ice, I'm paying the price For throwing the dice in the air. You're as cold as ice. You're willing to sacrifice our love I see a little silhouetto of a man, Scaramouche,scaramouche will you do the fandango- Turned cartwheels cross the floor Like the circles that you find In the windmills of your mind I'm so dizzy, my head is spinning. Ride a painted pony let the spinnin' wheel spin. And it stoned me to my soul, stoned me just like Jellyroll Everybody must get stoned That Ain't no way to have fun, son Some people claim there's a woman to blame Young girl, get out of my mind My love for you is way out of line And they called it puppy love Tonight's the night for you to hit it doggie style If you don't expect too much from me, you might not be let down Where it all ends I can't fathom, my friends. If I knew, I might toss out my anchor. I just spent six months in a leaky boat, lucky just to keep afloat. Call for the Captain ashore Let me go home, let me go home The captains tell they pay you well. But How ya gonna make some time when all you got is one thin dime? Time is on my side, yes it is. Time everlasting, time to play B-Sides. When they know they have you, they really have you. Haven't you noticed the days somehow keep getting longer. It won't be long 'til Summer comes, now that the boys are here again. And if you let me cool you one time, you'll be my regular stop. Oh the dashboard melted but we still have the radio. Hey mister DJ, I just wanna hear some rhythm & blues right now On the radio, on the radio, on, on the radio. Dancing in the moonlight, everybody's feelin' warm and right. Well it's a marvelous night for a moondance There's a girl right next to you, and she's just waiting for something to do. Wild thing...you make my heart sing...You make everything groovy. Sing, sing a song, make it simple to last the whole night long I'm singing this note 'cause it fits in well with the way I'm feeling. Boy, you sure took me for one big ride and even now I sit and I wonder why. Mars ain’t the kind of place to raise your kids

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ May 30, 2007 -> 10:07 PM) What on Earth are you talking about? What the hell's that got to do with this issue? Besides, I disagree that Americans -- or any country -- "gets it right most of the time, in the end." Or, at least, I contend that "in the end" isn't good enough and we should get more things right the first time. What it has to do with this issue is they reacted in the most conservative manner, quickly taking maximum action against the person in case he was a threat. After taking time to investigate all the facts and access the risk, they dropped back to a more reasoned approach. Perhaps in this era of school shootings removing the student was the correct first response. We always seem to see this stuff after the fact. To see it before the fact takes some guess work and risk of getting it wrong. Look at the Patriot Act and all the other "protections" we've been taking. Seems that remove the threat first and ask questions later is the new order of business in America.

QUOTE(Alpha Dog @ May 30, 2007 -> 09:02 PM) That right there is where you have a mental block. I never said that the people here WANT these jobs, nor that they should aspire to those jobs, but that if they have no other job, they should DO those jobs. I have done jobs that I hated, because I needed to work. I worked at a Rent-A-Center for a year in Joliet because I was unemployed for 9 months and needed to work. it paid s***, the hours were s*** and the conditions were s***. You wouldn't believe the homes I had to deliver to, collect from and repossess from. I was threatened weekly, shot at once, had a gun ponited at me a few more times than that and almost run over once. But is was honest work. And your unemployment figures are the amount of unemployed people who are SEEKING WORK, not how many aren't working. There are alot of people that COULD be working, but for now it is better for them to NOT work. So as a result, we need to import workers. How are you going to force those people to take those jobs? Are you claiming they really want to work but can't because of illegals taking their jobs? Who would you rather hire, someone who risks their live to come here and work and WANTS those jobs, or someone I agree we need to do something about a system that allows people to not make an attempt to improve their lot in life and just collect Public Aid. But removing workers from the system will not force any of these people into working that truly do not want to and I doubt that most business owners want to employ someone who is being forced to work and doesn't want to be there.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ May 30, 2007 -> 06:45 PM) Not that he deserved to have charges brought up against him, but why would someone write that crap in the first place? Arent you only asking for trouble when you write that stuff. Think about the works of literature that have scared and scarred America. Not to put him and a school paper but we've burned and banned books. Even Harry Potter was protested by some groups. Was this the venue? Obviously not.

One of the great things about this country is we generally "get it right" in the end. We may over act or under act at times, but we eventually do the right thing most of the time.

The long and winding road There has to be a twist I rode my motorcycle in the rain. flirtin with disaster He's going the distance Gonna eat a lot of Peaches And I was standin' on the side of the road Standing in line, marking time, waiting for the welfare dime Then I saw her face The girl with the kaleidoscope eyes A brown eyed girl in hand me downs Blinded me.....with SCIENCE She was the best damn woman I had ever seen Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds She ain't exactly small 42-39-56 BABY GOT BACK! She knows she got everything a woman needs to get a man, yeah. One Bourbon, one Scotch, one beer.I don't wanna touch you too much baby 'cuz making love to you might drive me crazy Cause southern belles are hell at night I'm a cowboy, on a steel horse I ride Cowboy take me away Slob on my knob, like corn on the cob Lie back and let me unlock you I've got a brand new pair of roller skate, you've got a brand new key She's a super freak, a super freak, she's super freeeeakaaayyyyyy Why don't you come with me little girl, on a magic carpet ride? You aint seen nothing yet But with a magnifying glance, I just sort of look her over. Now I'm back in the ring to take another swing And I fell in to a burning ring of fire Burn baby burn! - Disco inferno! Burn baby burn! - Burn that mama down, yoh! Yeah Im hot blooded, check it and see Feel the fever burning inside of me Lord amighty! I feel my temperature risin' I'm so hot for you and you're so cold Why can't I free your doubtful mind and melt your cold, cold heart Let's get together Before we get much older. Because I'm turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so Walking on thin ice, I'm paying the price For throwing the dice in the air. You're as cold as ice. You're willing to sacrifice our love I see a little silhouetto of a man, Scaramouche,scaramouche will you do the fandango- Turned cartwheels cross the floor Like the circles that you find In the windmills of your mind I'm so dizzy, my head is spinning. Ride a painted pony let the spinnin' wheel spin. And it stoned me to my soul, stoned me just like Jellyroll Everybody must get stoned That Ain't no way to have fun, son Some people claim there's a woman to blame Young girl, get out of my mind My love for you is way out of line And they called it puppy love Tonight's the night for you to hit it doggie style If you don't expect too much from me, you might not be let down Where it all ends I can't fathom, my friends. If I knew, I might toss out my anchor. I just spent six months in a leaky boat, lucky just to keep afloat. Call for the Captain ashore Let me go home, let me go home The captains tell they pay you well. But How ya gonna make some time when all you got is one thin dime? Time is on my side, yes it is. Time everlasting, time to play B-Sides. When they know they have you, they really have you. Haven't you noticed the days somehow keep getting longer. It won't be long 'til Summer comes, now that the boys are here again. And if you let me cool you one time, you'll be my regular stop. Oh the dashboard melted but we still have the radio. Hey mister DJ, I just wanna hear some rhythm & blues right now On the radio, on the radio, on, on the radio. Dancing in the moonlight, everybody's feelin' warm and right. Well it's a marvelous night for a moondance There's a girl right next to you, and she's just waiting for something to do. Wild thing...you make my heart sing...You make everything groovy. Sing, sing a song, make it simple to last the whole night long . . .

QUOTE(Y2HH @ May 25, 2007 -> 10:33 PM) A "hold" should never be more than 1$ unless they say so up front -- not to mention, on your e-bill (online) it should say "temp" next to the charge, designating that it was a temporary max test. Temp charges are simply a test to see if the credit line exists -- if the card is maxed, the 1$ temp charge will fail. Like I said, nobody should be temping 20$ without telling you about it, ever. I worked in the credit card PCI industry, and I'm not even sure if that's legal...then again, it's possibly he/she simply forgot to tell them about the 20$ temp, but for some reason I doubt it...because it should be marked as a temp credit line check on his e-bill. The major gas stations here put on $76 and $80 as soon as you put the card in the pump and it will fail if the debit card has less than those amounts. One station was using the $1 number, but with all the prepaid debit cards people would have $3 on the card, fill up and take off.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ May 30, 2007 -> 03:25 PM) that's true. Kudos for a lefty and a righty and both cut from the same cloth. Hey, wait a second. Look at those two, brothers separated at birth?

QUOTE(Felix @ May 30, 2007 -> 03:40 PM) I can't lie. Today was the day that my hopes for this season took a huge hit. I don't know why, but this game just really, really hurt.

Amazing in the best division in baseball, playing this horrible, we're 6 back. The Yankees are 13 out.

From where we are at, it will take more than one hot arm in the bullpen to turn around this season. Of course the most likely turn around to a play off berth is these same players turning around and getting out of a slump. Their collective talent level is enough to make the playoffs, but they have to start clicking. I don't see a magical trade that would make that big of a difference. I also have moved from the Ozzie and Walker supporters to the fence sitters.

There is no one person they can trade for that will magically turn this team into a juggernaut.