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Great point. Don't suspend him while in prison. I wonder if he'll be playing in Arena II, Canada, or would his suspension cover NFL-Euro

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 17, 2007 -> 09:43 AM) The government, on our behalf. I have always envisioned a tiered structure which allows government payed, universal coverage for everyone. Probably without choice, but utilizing care facilities that would replace needless trips to the ER. Then a second tier, probably funded optionally by employers, to allow choice and greater access to additional, non critical, care. And finally, private insurance, personally owned, that would reflect what many people have today. You must be a registered alien, at the minimum to qualify, all others will have to hope for private charities. Harsh, perhaps.

QUOTE(vandy125 @ Aug 16, 2007 -> 11:03 AM) Sounds like a little kid throwing a tantrum. "I never wanted it anyway. It is stupid." As part of his disbarment, (word?) he is prohibited from displaying his law license.

There you go. Privileges get abused by some and it gets taken away from many.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 17, 2007 -> 09:09 AM) You missed the two other big players - insurance companies, and health care companies. Insurance companies have to have their premiums paid by one of the three. That's what I was pointing to. Who should be paying the premiums?

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 14, 2007 -> 09:35 AM) It depends on how things get structured. Really, if you look at it, employer costs of health care is a hidden tax, in a sense. But, some companies choose to pay more on behalf of their employees as a "wellness" benefit. If a person is making $8.00 an hour, they're going to get caught in the existing safety net anyway... and the taxpayers will pay for it anyway as it exists TODAY. (this is very generic... but generally, this is the case)... especially if you're an illegal immigrant, oddly enough. So let the government do it? There are exactly three groups to pay for this. Government Employers Individuals Which one has the best chance to control costs, have everyone covered, and offer choices for those that can afford it? As you pointed out, everyone does have coverage of some sort via our safety net and not allowing people to just suffer and die.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Aug 16, 2007 -> 09:14 PM) My old laptop is falling apart! Today the n key fell off, and the guy said to fix it we would need to replace the whole keyboard due to the age of the computer. Dammit. I can live without an "n" I use a remote keyboard and mouse most of the time I use my laptop. My new machine has bluetooth built in, so I bought a blue tooth set up. But you should be able to pick up a cheap keyboard and just plug it in. I also place my notebook on a stand which elevates the display to be more like a desktop. At the minimum, it is a cheap and quick fix to this problem. BTW, after playing with my son's new Mac laptop, I really did not like the keyboard, but the rest of the machine seemed nice. I still would stay with a PC, at my advanced age, why relearn commands and such?

I love places like this http://www.cheathamstreet.com Every town should have one. I only wish I wasn't so damn tired last night to catch the bands second act. Keepin’ it ‘Tween the Lines © 2004 Paul Eason & Taylor Davis I have been a lot of places But no where else can compare They ain’t got no Texas women They ain’t got no Lone Star Beer I’m as free as any man can be But I ain’t goin’ nowhere Just keepin’ it ‘tween the lines, in the land of barbecue and pecan pie Give me rivers and dancehalls and open skies From the Red to the Rio Grande, New Mexico to Louisian(a) Just keepin’ it ‘tween the lines Sittin’ on the Guadalupe Summer breeze blowin’ in my hair Think I’ll float on down to Gruene Hall I know they got good music there Ain’t no good times you can’t find Livin’ in a Lone Star state of mind Sleepin’ on the Rio Bravo Campin’ under Marfa lights Got some friends up in San Angelo They won’t leave me lonely tonight If you don’t think I’ll stay here all my life You just count the days and nights

QUOTE(Cknolls @ Aug 14, 2007 -> 11:16 AM) Add three more victims to the illegal murder list. Its a great country isn't it? Illegal kills our citizens after twice receiving bail for two previous crimes. God forbid you ask someone to show proof of residency. Ask the five year old this sick f*** raped. Ask the parents of these three people who were murdered if they care about this a******* rights. We must be sensitive to illegals' rights. Sanctuary country is what we are people. New Jersey should fry this guy ..yesterday. They would have been so much happier if they had been murdered by an honest to goodness US citizen. Just like the DC sniper victims and Oklahoma City victims. Criminals are criminals and animals are animals.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Aug 14, 2007 -> 09:14 AM) why don't we just make ten louder? but this one goes to eleven . . .

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 14, 2007 -> 09:12 AM) Ok Tex, you almost always take the side of having government fix everything, including health care. You've implied before (not in this thread) that there's not enough done to provide health insurance for all, so the next logical leap is to have our government do it for us. Who are you kidding? Sheep in Wolves Clothing, or something like that. Unless it's Tom DeLay. Now HE'S the Second Coming, not Obama. On things that are better at a massive scale, yes, that is why the citizens on this country formed a government. So if not the government, how about employers? Or how will you have someone making $8.00 per hour afford even catastrophic insurance?

QUOTE(Alpha Dog @ Aug 14, 2007 -> 08:04 AM) Cost ME about $500 a month. Which many employees do not understand. That is about $3 an hour benefit. Probably is about 20% or more of his cost to you.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 13, 2007 -> 11:07 PM) According to you, we all should. The government should say where we get treated, when we get treated, and who treats us. I'm sorry... not in my country. I would rather keep that choice, thank you. Oh wait, now I will hear that most people don't get a choice. I personally think there are ALWAYS choices. It's what you choose to do ultimately. Whaaaat? Where did you get that idea? The taxpayers are all paying now for uninsured, the working poor, the indigent, the workers whose employers will not offer that benefit. I'd like to see a better system. So far in this thread there is one proposal, making employers responsible and your snarky comments assuming my views.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 13, 2007 -> 04:35 PM) All thought I will say a few days like that will explain a lot about Texans. Think of the old scrambled eggs/drugs commericials That's one good thing about my job, June and July at the beach. Cool Gulf breezes every night.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Aug 11, 2007 -> 02:08 PM) Have a good time all the time. That's my philosophy, Marty. Mega cool points for identifying the quote WITHOUT Googling. I would have made the same guess as PA, I guess this one is worth eleven points?

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Aug 14, 2007 -> 12:51 AM) Perhaps I mis-speak when I say morality cannot be legislated, and I really mean morality ought not be legislated. Cartainly laws can and do have moral weight, but they should not be based on relativistic moral positions (e.g., I'm a racist so I'm going to push for a new set of Jim Crow laws even if my position is not representative of societal mores.). Aren't all laws based on morality?

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Aug 14, 2007 -> 12:32 AM) Firstly, anybody who believes that science has "proven" anything - ever - doesn't get science and aren't really adding to the discussion. Which I believe was my original point that started this. Thank you. It takes some degree of faith to accept unproven, and can never be proven, information.

Noooooooooooooooooooo it's too soon. I was hoping for the late September collapse. It's all a Sox fan has left, watching Cub fans in misery.

I always liked him.

Damn he's almost as old as FlaSoxxJim

QUOTE(Alpha Dog @ Aug 13, 2007 -> 04:27 PM) OK, we all raise prices en mass, then the people just end up paying for their healthcare thru higher prices. How much extra would I need to generate to cover the 'charges'? $200 per employee? $400? $50? If I had to add another $2000+ per month to cover this so-called 'free health care', I would have to add about $16 per invoice to cover it (at a $2000 cost). That would be about a 5% increase, just for that program. not to mention that all of MY costs are goign to go up as well from whatever suppliers of mine have to pay the fee, so my prices have to go up even more. Figure at least another 5%, probably closer to 8%. This would also be an overnote jump once the plan is implimented, so we would just end up being like the gas stations, raising our prices dramatically in one day. Those $40 business cards now cost $45. The $350 mailing job now costs almost $400. And not just me, the corner convenience store raises the Pepsi price from $1.35 to $1.50. That .99 hot dog special now costs $1.12. The new tires for your car just went from $400 to $440. Someone has to pay for it. Eventually it will be consumers, but the government is just trying to use business as the tax collector. Instead we are paying tax money for health benefits through Medicaid, CHiPs, and other health care for the working poor programs. Tell me, if one of your employees found out he had a tumor that needed to be removed, who should pay for it and do they have the resources?

So we can decide morality for the nation? My views should be rejected because I go to Church? How about anyone that drinks beer shouldn't be allowed to force their views of alcohol laws on anyone? If you own stocks you shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion on financial matters?

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Aug 13, 2007 -> 09:33 PM) Well, of course, none of this is testable even if it iis imaginative. Once something falls out of the realm of the testable it is no longer of concern to science. And that is exactly my earlier comment, although much better presented. Once I better understood the scientific process, and believe it or not, it is used in the behavior sciences as well , I started to understand the limits of our "proven" knowledge. We can not reproduce a primordial soup, there is just too much stuff there that we can't control and test. Like many debates in this country that become faith-centric (abortion, capital punishment, etc) both sides quickly reject all things on both sides, and that is a mistake. I believe science is about unraveling God's work and discovering his process. In the end, if there is one, science will bring us closer to God, not further away. Sadly, at that moment, I could believe that neither side would believe what has been "proven" because they are still fighting. But bottom line, because we can not test the beginning of human time, it currently is out of the realm of science, yet some still believe science has "proven" evolution *and* the beginning of time. That is not the case, may never be the case, and if you believe in the primordial soup theory, it is by placing your faith in an untested theory.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 13, 2007 -> 04:46 PM) OOOOOOOOOKaaay... that's taking it a little too far. How so? How much influence do you think he had on President Bush?