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Oh the irony of tobacco plants are the savior.

Sorry to hear that.

If I understand this correctly the healthiest people on the planet with 24/7 access to premier unlimited health care are concerned about returning to work because they might endanger their health. Imagine what the rest of society without those advantages is facing.

It's amazing how supposed adults can come up with so many excuses for not wearing one.

I'm not certain we pissed away two months. Just because the Grand Ol Party wasn't behind it I can't believe private and university researchers waited for Trump to ask for help. I believe turning it into a political football for voters caused a horrible lack in preparation and I can't find the word I'm looking for. We just sucked at all the precautions. I believe it is our selfish and entitled ways. And it's my personal bias but the GOP has consistently been in favor of people dying as long as they are born. Pro-Life seems to end at the birth canal.

I agree with your assessment of what happened in this country. I do disagree that it will have to be a US government led researcher that discovers a vaccine. The world's been working on one longer, and I wouldn't be surprised if researchers in this country had a head start even without guidance from the West Wing of our government. I will put some words in your mouth and agree in advance that US government funding would have been really useful sooner rather than later. But do you see any way we could have kept everything shut down until a vaccine is found? The concept of flattening the curve wasn't let's avoid anyone getting the disease, it was let's keep the medical systems from getting over loaded. People were always going to get sick, they were always going to die. Flattening the curve saves some lives but not all. Personally I wish we had an economic system that assured affected workers were not going to see their financial lives destroyed, especially the kids in their twenties and thirties.

That's an interesting point about rent. I wonder how many teams have a gate split arrangement and won't be paying rent on a stadium.

I do not see a way to reopen without an acceleration unless we wait months or years for a vaccine. And even then the process of having people be vaccinated would cause a temporary spike as people leave their homes. We know increased contact equals more transition. It doesn't matter if that is today or 2021. If we all stayed in our homes for the next three months then came out, there will be an acceleration. The question is can the health care system handle the acceleration.

Months down the road. I think there will be a spike whenever we reopen schools. I believe that is unavoidable.

Yes I did. Did you think we were on the downside of the curve already?

The long lasting change in my view of our society after this is we are a very selfish, entitled, society.

And if they renegotiated based on expecting one thing like playing all the games in one place and that isn't possible, don't renegotiate, just cancel the season.

I agree. It's a tough decision to make and I do not envy anyone who has to make it.

They run independent of each other, not as a ticket. It's possible to have a governor from one party and the lieutenant governor from another party. You could be quoting our Railroad Commissioner for all the impact it has on the governor and state policy.

So you are also listening to what elected officials have to say? BTW, I haven't seen that quote from our governor. This is more in line with what he has been doing

Agreed. Especially when we have an accurate test.

We have our elected leaders who have these experts at their disposal. If you can listen and have an opinion, I assume that others can as well. So I'm not going to dismiss immediately those plans to reopen some businesses. I do not believe we can keep businesses closed permanently and I doubt you do either. Therefor, eventually there will be a reopening. I'm not paying ettention to crazy lady hanging out a car window, but I will listen to people in positions of authority. BTW, I have cancer and hypertension so I am in a very high risk category so I don't take this position lightly.

I believe the owners have an obligation to their sport to safeguard the long term success of their league. Most owners are associated with the teams for a much longer time frame than players and their vision should match that tenure. In context the sacrifices that were made during the war years didn't destroy the sport and any sacrifices made during the Quarantimes won't either. I believe it could be argued that playing would provide a psychological boost to the nation. I believe it could also send a message that other restrictions are unnecessary and increase pressure to return to "normal".

I'm clicking pause at this point. We now have intelligent, educated, probably not blinded by partisanship people calling for easing back the restrictions. I'm at least going to listen.

I agree with that and I'm that way also. So it wouldn't matter to us if it was the players or the owners to blame.

For that it doesn't matter. But we all know that the same datum is used for a lot of different applications. Which is why the goal of "just give me one number" doesn't seem important to me.

I'm 98% with you. One potential counter is the argument that they get to shop without masks in that state, why not us? Lots of people have a notion that everyone needs to be treated the exact same. Which is different than everyone needs to be treated fairly. But yeah, killers gotta kill. I think that guy would have no matter what.

It will depend on how you are using the data. If you are studying the cancer rate you would want to know the person had cancer. If you are studying traffic fatalities, you would want to know about the accident. With technology today, it seems like we could have both. Why work a 2020 problem with 1960s methods and tools?

I'm more interested that each death is accounted for, even if that takes two columns instead of one. Reporting that 3,000 people are confirmed dead (via tests) and 1,500 are presumed dead is better than one state reporting a number one way and a different state making up their own rules. I think your concern is more how the data is being used than how it is calculated. Why the fuss over wanting one number when it is an estimate that will only be confirmed years down the road. The under-reporting is a bigger issue IMHO. Your assertion that the world is all doing it the same way isn't accurate. There still differences in how some states report the deaths compared to others. If each state is doing it differently here in the US is it really accurate to say that every country does it the same way? https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200417/how-accurate-are-coronavirus-death-counts It seems like having the same procedure for each state and even each country just makes sense. I'm not really hung up on which method they use. Use the one we've assumed everyone was using, use the one the WH recommends, I don't care. Just have every death noted and every state reporting using the same guidelines.