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QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 5, 2012 -> 03:21 PM) Isringhausen blows. Even Beckham got a hit.

This is fun.

How about a little momentum . . .

Everything we buy should be closely monitored by the government. Actually, we should receive coupons. But yeah, we can do better. I just don't like the idea of the government monitoring what people buy. I realize that for some items it is in our best interest.

Textbook NL run

First game I've watched in over two months. I wish I was enjoying it . . .

Starting pitcher still picking the uni? That's kind of cool if he did.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Aug 5, 2012 -> 01:41 AM) Got the central regional director position!

QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Aug 3, 2012 -> 10:20 PM) Right, I was just trying to make the point that most of the innocent people that end up in prison wouldn't be your everyday person. They very likely have a criminal record in the past which was part of the reason they became a suspect or were involved with some real shady stuff. I agree. BTW, can someone give me a short summary of this case, I just don't hear much about it.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Aug 5, 2012 -> 12:17 AM) In the UK, where socialized medicine rules, doctors kill patients because they cost too much to care for or sometimes simply because they need the beds. And good luck suing them for wrongful death. So it seems that the government CAN have an interest in having you dead. Now what ya gonna do? The first 2 paragraphs http://www.lifenews.com/2012/06/20/shock-b...ients-annually/ So you believe the source *and* more importantly believe we can't possibly do something better than England? I believe we can do better than England. Hell, I believe we are the greatest nation on the planet and can do anything better than any other country if we try. But I'm a liberal, we're pretty crazy that way.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 4, 2012 -> 08:01 PM) If I witnessed something illegal/criminal involving a football coach, and I reported it, I'd have zero reason to believe that the university would fire me. This was not the case at Penn State. That is the definition of "Creating a culture of compliance". It permeates the school. Everyone knew who was in charge, and you didn't cross that guy at Penn State. That is not an issue of Spanier, Curley, Paterno, and the other guy whose name I've forgotten. That's not even just a board issue. That's an entire school issue. Two janitors caught Sandusky raping a kid in 2001. They discussed reporting it, and then realized...it would cost them their jobs. THey chose not to report it because they could not afford to lose their jobs. This is not just the janitors at fault. That is the definition of a failed culture of accountability. You can judge those janitors if you want...but that is not a decision they should ever have to make...between their family's lives and doing the right thing. Penn State defied federal law in order to maintain their lack of accountability in the football program, failing to meet compliance reporting steps. That isn't one guy doing that, that is not just the athletic department doing that, that is something permeating the administration. I just can't believe there are people who will now (we learn from mistakes) place an athletic department above their their own life, liberty, and family's security. That somehow ruining their own life isn't enough of a deterrent, that an athletic department must also be destroyed. As you have said, it was the University President and administration that failed to report. then to make certain this doesn't happen again, should the feds pull all research dollars so that education faculty loses their jobs or only athletic support people, secretaries, and other employees? After all, the scandal reached all the way to the top. The people that will be hurt the most are the support people in the athletic department and the non revenue sport programs. The gymnastics, baseball, tennis, swimming, etc. Football's budget will not be cut too much. Most universities depend on football and basketball revenue to run. Put another way, if this happened in Iowa, how would Heads losing his job keep this from ever happening again? These are innocent people. They knew nothing. That had no chance to make a difference. University president: If I cover this up, I could lose my job. I would never get hired at another university, I could be sued and lose everything. My families future would be ruined. Decides he can take that risk then realized . . . But, the football program may get the death penalty!. Whoa, I can't risk that! I just don't see that happening. Now that this tragic situation has become public, I don't see others making the same mistake. Obviously most people here believe that there are a lot of people that value their university's football program over their own life, liberty, and family.

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Aug 4, 2012 -> 10:23 AM) I'm a travel agent, just so ya know. My favorite cheap destination was Nicaragua. $5/night hotels a block from a gorgeous beach, riding chicken buses across the country for $1.25, drinking Tona beer and chilling out for a week was great. I wasn't even paying attention to what I was spending, had a great time, and never spent more than $70 in a day. When will there be a Rex-lead soxtalk vacation?

QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 4, 2012 -> 01:15 PM) At my college, every single persoin I've met from Texas flies a Texas flag in their dorm room. Should I not assume that you have a Texas flag in your home somewhere? Every school day I recite Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, One and indivisible. But no, not one at home, not even one on my truck.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 4, 2012 -> 06:50 PM) And the question winds up being...which of those are important enough for you to do something...like vote. It's not just the extremists on TV. There's a reason why we think of "religious people" in this country as overwhelmingly anti gay...it happens to be true. Throwing up your hands and saying "Not me" and then following it up with "I can't figure out why the media portrays religious people as gay-hating" and "I can't figure out why young people don't flock to the church these days", as has happened in this thread...is a wonderfully ironic combination. Here is what I am personally doing. My girlfriend and I have been living together for three years. I am not getting married until gay couples have the same right. I believe any couple who allows the government to determine if they are married is agreeing with the government's definition of marriage. That is my protest. If you took out a marriage license and got married, aren't you agreeing with the government's position? Isn't it ironic to have people saying it is wrong *and* going out and participating by having the government ok their marriage? Kind of like crusading about illegal drug use while being an illegal drug user? Or wearing a wedding ring while saying the government's position is wrong. My Church, The Chapel by the Sea hires a pastor. He is our only employee. We are a one location community with about 50 year round members. What would you like us to do?

QUOTE (YASNY @ Aug 4, 2012 -> 01:03 PM) This was a hideous crime against children. Tex, this was a no brainer and PSU dropped the ball. Perhaps college boards will vet theor AD hirres better in the future, and the AD's vet the HC hires better and so on down the line. That is the why these sanctions are so necessary. Look at the positions of the people who lost their careers. Who had their reputations ruined forever. Who lost any respect they had among friends and possibly family. The personal punishment is enough. Again, what is a bigger deterrent Football team being punished or Losing your career, respect, and possibly going to jail? I just do not believe the next PSU president would risk his life in God forbid, the same situation, regardless what happens to the football program. We have sent one message. If you are a janitor or asst coach, tell someone famous and you are off the hook. Use your company as an example. A former employee is caught wrestling naked with a kid in a company restroom. The president of the company is told and does nothing. Should you lose your job so that another company doesn't do the same thing?

I'm going to shut up after this. Bottom line, anyone who believe that extremists speak for an entire population do not know enough people in that population. Anyone who believe the few people they see on TV speaking out on an issue speak for anyone else besides themselves risk a huge mistake. From politics to religion, from sports to art, no large groups are that in step with each other. Balta can try and lump me in with the groups we see on TV all he likes, but I sincerely hope that no one else does. I have been very clear that I support getting government out of the business of marriage. That the people involved should decide what is, and is not, a marriage. I do not believe I have to wave a sign or be on TV for my opinion to be validated. When a liberal politician wants to take away my guns, he is not speaking for me. When a liberal politician wants to extend abortions to the third trimester, he is not speaking for me. When my state senators speak out against gay rights, drilling in Alaska, or a myriad of other things, they are not speaking for me. I shouldn't have to constantly point that out.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Aug 4, 2012 -> 12:49 PM) Will the crime happen again? Yes. There are too many Sanduskys out there. The penalties will send a "no-doubt" message to Head Coaches, AD's and university presidents in regards to how to react if something like this is reported up the chain at another school. That is why this is 100% justified and necessary. And yes, I still think PSU should have received the death penalty. We'll disagree. I do not believe what happens to the football program weighs heavier on the decision than personally losing your career and going to jail. You really believe the next PSU President would cover up a child rape if the football program was spared.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Aug 4, 2012 -> 12:40 PM) The answer to your last question at Penn st is "yes" The people that knew are already gone. You really believe their replacements would make the exact same decision?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 3, 2012 -> 09:07 PM) So obviously, the answer is to do nothing, be silent, let the hatemongers be the only religious voices who are ever heard, and continue to be dumbfounded when people lump religion together with the Chick Fillhators and leave it out of their lives. These are Americans, and are speaking for you also. As an American what have you done? I will speak out on a message board and try to educate those people that opinions among people who attend church vary as much as any other group in America. The answer is that as someone who attends church regularly I do not have to speak out on every social issue in America, any more than as a scientist you have to. Do you immediately denounce any scientist who makes a statement you disagree with? Again, you make it seem like religion means everyone believes the same thing. Why do you think there are thousands of different churches around America? And which group speaks for you 100% of the time?

I find it so sad that people believe that without punishment to the football program, that crimes will continue to be committed at other universities. That people at universities will see Penn State and say, well we would do the same thing tomorrow if they left the football program alone. Really!? Guilty people are behind bars, their reputations destroyed, careers lost, all on a personal level. But that isn't enough for a high ranking university official to react. Somehow without innocent people losing their jobs and their futures hurt, it could happen again? I don't see it. I don't see another university thinking they would risk jail, ending their career, and the rest, as long as the football program would be spared. Balta works at a university, how far would you go to protect the football program? Would you go to jail for it? Does it really take destroying the football program to have you do the right thing?

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Aug 3, 2012 -> 08:27 PM) What lesson does that teach people? If you commit a bunch of illegal acts for the betterment of your program, as long as everyone that was involved, you get rid of/dies, you're good to go. BTW, the "theys" that remain have the option to leave without penalty. The players, who would suffer the most, have a free out. The lesson it teaches is guilty people are prosecuted and punished, not innocent. And no, the players would not suffer the most. There are a lot of companies, and individuals whose paychecks are directly tied to the program. There are vendors who supply services and equipment. Think of all the people who work directly and indirectly for PSU football. The businesses who benefit on gameday. Look at the economic impact that having a team means to a community. It is way more than the players.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Aug 3, 2012 -> 07:41 PM) If everyone knew about it, sure. This has nothing to do with hindsight. You don't need hindsight to know child rape is wrong and that s*** needs to be reported right way. These weren't recruiting violations. The bottom line is they protected this stuff so football could go on. Well, now it's time for football, and that school, to pay for it. I would have been absolutely fine with shutting that down for a while. *They* are all gone. The "Theys" that are remaining, and who would suffer the consequences, never had a chance to do the right thing. Never knew any of this was going on. I believe in punishing the guilty. And this is why I place the greatest blame with McQueery. he should have immediately stepped in to stop the abuse and called police. Not calling his dad the next day.

QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 3, 2012 -> 07:54 PM) Just a place where his parole officer can find him. IDK, he'll be about 20 miles from Mexico. Maybe he can catch some "youth in a needle"?

http://www.themonitor.com/articles/canseco...s-american.html The team has an "Adopt-A-Player" program. I wonder if I signed up if I can offer a room for Jose?

I'm kindof all over the map on this. Jeffry Dahlmer used his locker at work to conceal some of his murders. Should that company be shut down? A couple executives sexually harass employees and rape them, should the entire company be shuttered putting innocent people out of work? In this case there were five or six people in the organization that should have acted, and didn't. Should all the businesses that rely on PSU football be shuttered? Should all the student workers lose their incomes? I have a hard time agreeing with those that believe the program should have been shut down. I guess I am also in the minority, next to Sandusky, McQueery, and now those janitors, will always be far more to blame than anyone else. They witnessed first hand a crime being committed and didn't immediately step in to stop it, or call the police. I place JoeP fifth or sixth in the blame game. Finally, hindsight is always 20/20. It is very easy to say what should have been done years after the fact. Hell, Sandusky should never have been coaching football. Victims should have come forward. His wife should have done something. But I'm not going to destroy an entire University of thousands and thousands over the actions of a handful. I doubt there were 10 people in all of PSU that would have made such a terrible decision.