Texsox

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 3, 2011 -> 12:51 PM) I think it's safe to assume he's been in this compound, maybe with the occasional trip out, since 2005. If nothing else, the U.S. has supposedly been watching this facility quite intently for the last year and there's no reports that we saw him coming or going. I assume they checked for any underground tunnels. Although 40 minutes might not have been enough. Also, someone had to have left to buy grocercies, beer, check the soccer scores, pick up porn.He could have been concealed. So many questions. It's a book I'd buy.

I am assuming that their military has more freedom to check civilian homes than here in the US. It would be very easy to understand someone hiding in a home like that in the US and not getting caught. We have so many privacy laws. Hell, we don't catch everyone on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list. I am a little surprised that Pakistan is trying to take some public credit. That would set them up for reprisals from what remains of Al Qaeda.

they are busing the homeless back home? If they have a home, how are the homeless?

I may have missed it, but is the assumption he's been there since 2005? I'm not surprised he was living in a mansion, with his money I assumed he was in some remote villa with access to multiple escape points. My second assumption was he had multiple safe houses to move to, never staying more than a week or two at any one place. Perhaps he grew tired of running. If he had been there since 2005 there is a bit of satisfaction knowing he was a prisoner, even if he was a prisoner in a prison he built.

The Olympic security went up substantially after the Munich Olympics. In Mexico and South America, mention the Gulf or Zeta Cartels and people will tell you a lot. The IRA, PLO all have caused security to tighten. You can't park next to most Federal buildings today, the reason? Timothy McVeigh. Could you name the terrorists that captured the school in Russia with hundreds killed? I bet they can in Russia. I'm not discounting the terror that Al-Qaeda has inflicted on parts of the world, but there are just so many countries that are not involved, not targeted, just do not care. Of terrorist attacks that have killed more than say 100 people, there are only a few countries that are involved. bin Laden. former US ally, announced war on Americans, not Christians, not Jews, Americans. We felt his terror more than any other country. I'd say in the Arab world there is a sense of relief not that he was brought to justice, but that America will not be coming to their country to look for him. You are right his organization is felt around the world, but it was felt ten times more here.

What did they say AJ was doing?

Jenks, again we will disagree on world. Bin Laden wasn't an issue for most of the world. Narco-terrorism is way more of an issue in South America and Mexico. Bin Laden isn't the biggest problem for Israel. What terrorism did Obama cause in Norway, Sweden, Greenland, Australia? Did Bin Laden commit crimes against Japan, Korea, China, Vietnam? Bin Laden wanted death to Americans. Most of the rest of the world could give a f*** about us. Again, where were the people waving Greek flags in Greece? Where were the celebrations in Turkey? Yemen? Honduras? He was an American problem and we took him out. I believe the celebrations will have a bigger impact here in the US, both positive and negative, than you do. I think they will have a much smaller impact around the rest of the world than you do.

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ May 2, 2011 -> 09:30 PM) I just wanna know who brought the beach balls to the white house last night for the spontaneous celebration. And who brought the cheerleaders? or the guy in the stars and stripes spandex bodysuit on the light post? Sounds like SPLASH weekend on South Padre.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 2, 2011 -> 09:25 PM) Fine. Change "world" to the "west." Doesn't really alter my point. I think it points to the differences in this thread. You were painting a picture of the world wanting him dead and cheering with almost no one against that position. My point was the west may be cheering, but not in the rest of the world. So in judging the good and the bad that comes from it, it is good for the west, bad for the rest of the world. Which is why some people here put more weight on the bad than you do. And, while thinking it is as good as you say, only add the weight of the west, not the whole world. Again, I had no probloem with the cheering, I think it did more good than harm, but believe the harm was greater than you believe. Hating us passively and taking action are two different things. We probably pushed a few people to take action. We'll see if they are successful.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 2, 2011 -> 09:15 PM) He was pretty heavily active against Saudi Arabia in the 2000's. Libya as well. He was a gigantic s***head to a good chunk of the world, Christian and Muslim. I just do not see celebrations like in the US anywhere else in the world. For the WORLD"S #1 Terrorist to be brought to justice, you would think we'd see these crazy street celebrations in Australia, Germany, South Africa, Spain, Pakistan, Brazil, Mexico, Korea, China . . . He was justifiably the #1 face of terrorism in the US, and we should have spend the resources to take him out, but for most of the seven billion people on the planet, he was a criminal who committed a crime against America or worse, a justified freedom fighter.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 2, 2011 -> 09:10 PM) Are you living in reality? You do know that Bin Laden was the world's number 1 terrorist right? How on earth can you call him a small b**** considering the lives and money he's cost the world over the last 10-12 years? World's? Which countries are you including in that? He was certainly the US's #1 and perhaps a couple other english speaking, Christian countries, #1 terrorist threat, but he was nothing to most of the world.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 2, 2011 -> 09:04 PM) No you can't. I just showed you how they're recruiting new people and spreading their message simply because of his death. It had nothing to do with our celebration of it. And you don't think celebrating helped people? You don't think that helped the national mood? You don't think that's good news that made people happy, even if for a day? GMAFB man. I believe celebrating helped some people, in balance, the celebrations may have done more good than harm. And of course our existance is enough for some people, but you act as if people are already set on for or against us. There are a lot of people out there, watching CNN, FOX, and other US coverage, who are not swayed as much by terrorist recruiting but on what they see with their own eyes from as close to unbiased sources as available. You are certainly intelligent enough to see that point.

I forgot it is impossible to wake someone who is pretending to be asleep.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 2, 2011 -> 08:43 PM) What is this bizarre world where I'm agreeing with Tex and ss2k5 in the same thread? And once again I want to be clear, I'm not saying celebrating is wrong, I believe it was sincere and genuine for most of the people. Different people all react differently. But the extremists sell converts that we are the extremists, that we are the blood thirsty Muslim killers on a holy war and they need to band together to protect themselves from the evil US empire. We looked like it last night.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 2, 2011 -> 08:35 PM) All because we killed the worlds #1 terrorist after 10 years and were happy about it? Really? The President of the US is the #1 terrorist in some corners of the world. If they killed him (either Bush or Obama) what would the US reaction be? Hey, he was the #1 terrorist in the Arab world, so we're cool with them celebrating? You do get that the US looking like Muslim blood thirsty terrorists is exactly what they use against us? Earlier we killed Qaddafi's grandchildren, how do you think that played out? Again, the wonderful part about America is we can celebrate like this, we have the First Amendment, but those celebrations will help terrorists recruit and receive donations.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 2, 2011 -> 08:31 PM) Again, I agree if this were a different guy. But this is enemy of the world #1. It's not some nobody we're celebrating here. Agreed. But the celebrations will feed anti-American sentiments and help in their recruiting efforts.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 2, 2011 -> 08:30 PM) I think it's more us coming across as a bunch of barbarous, blood-thirsty douchebags that we're always complaining about. Which could take those people "on the fence" and move them to America is evil and wants all Muslims dead point of view. And yeah, we are pretty damn good at killing people for good reasons, just ask most of the countries that have pissed us off.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 2, 2011 -> 08:22 PM) I love how we're concerned about pissing off people that want to kill us. I could be wrong, but I believe it is more of a concern of pissing off the people that don't want to kill us but could be convinced we are evil and should be killed. We keep creating more enemies and wondering why the world gets more dangerous. Contrast the President's speech, which was very carefully written to not only not celebrate, but not to piss off too many people and point out the evil Bin Laden has inflicted on everyone, not just Americans. Again, I am not wanting to say those waving flags and singing were wrong, just trying to keep the dialog moving along and fostering understanding.

The west wing of the white house ten days ago . . . "Mr. President, we need something bold and decisive now that you announced you are running for reelection. How about we get serious about killing Osama Bin Laden?" "Damn, we've been trying for 9 years, we've had all of our best people looking for him. I just think it is futile. What else you got?" "Well the Sox are 6 games back and really struggling, maybe we could right that ship" "Get Gates on the phone, I have an idea about that Bin Laden . . . "

USA USA USA

I'm not saying any reaction is right or wrong. On 9/11 there was an outpouring of Americans, of all ages, races, creeds, religions, all with about the same reaction. The celebrations I saw last night where mostly young people 18-25. Perhaps it was the time of the announcement. But while there was a very common respond to the 9/11 attacks, our responses seem to be much different to his death.

So what are we giving the Pakistanis in return for them giving him up?

Hell just added another resident

I hear where some of y'all are coming from. It was a war ending kind of street celebration, yet the war really hasn't ended. It probably didn't help that it seemed like many were celebrating for the sake of celebrating. I was expecting a more somber, remember those that died, kind of mood. But the spontaneity of the celebrations was very cool, and I believe genuine for the majority of people.

The details of the intelligence that brought him down are starting to emerge. It seems the feds found him because of facebook, he kept getting tagged in photos taken at the compound, and his top aids kept answering "15 questions about Osama". The CIA chief said he probably would have been ok when he only friended those closest to him, but once he started playing Farmville, he needed so many friends he was friending just about everyone.