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I wonder what enhanced technique she used to get the tip? http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/05/o...ur-in-2008.html

QUOTE (kapkomet @ May 3, 2011 -> 10:02 PM) No, you can't. And that's why they always throw that line out there. "You can never be certain". Of course not, let's continue every straw man arguement there is to make it look like the political discourse has changed somehow. Guess what, it hasn't. I do not believe this is a political discussion unless you believe that all Reps believe in torture and all Dems are against it. I believe it is more a moral *and* practical one. What will you say or admit to if "enhanced" techniques are being used? Someone then has to check out those leads. If you are telling me you won't lie under duress and say whatever to make the "enhanced" techniques stop, then you are a better man than I. If the bombing in Tora Bora was successful, would they have credit the enhanced techniques for that? Or was that a red herring tossed out by someone wishing to make the "enhanced" techniques stop?

I'm stilling planning my vacation around the Sox schedule, but damn, it just ain't going to be the same. The difference between expectations and results is about the greatest for any season I can remember. I just haven't seen enough the past two weeks to believe it can turn around, even in a division like the Central.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 3, 2011 -> 09:13 PM) Panetta confirmed advanced interrogation techniques, including waterboarding, produced the intel they needed to find Bin Laden. If it didn't play a part I don't see why he wouldn't have just said so. The question will be how much of a part and would the intel have happened without those techniques, or even would it have been better intel which might have saved time. And the worse part is it is impossible to predict, Did enhanced techniques cause them to chase other locations and leads which were false? That's what I really dislike about the discussion, you cannot say with certainty.

I'm feeling the walk off the field the game is over

Anyone think it isn't Dunn?

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 3, 2011 -> 06:48 PM) This would make sense if not for the fact that they (Pak military) routinely checked the area for operatives, literally going door to door checking ID's. They should have known that this compound held a target of some level of importance. That's the extent of the US decision to check this place out - it looked way too big and secure for it to be a nobody. Right, and I would think he was hiding and they had the kind of IDs that being a billionaire could secure. They could have assumed it was a drug kingpin, a mistress for the President, a Russian mobster, or almost anything else. Who really would have assumed it was bin Laden? Like I said, I am leaving the possibility there that they could have been fooled. After all is everyone who lives in a secure gated community in the US doing something illegal? But it is more likely someone high up in Pakistan was protecting him.

QUOTE (Brian @ May 3, 2011 -> 05:15 PM) This. I don't care if we killed an unarmed man. He didn't deserve a trial. He admitted to everything. I just hope the SEAL that shot him in the head had some sweet one liner before pulling the trigger. You just rejected the entire US legal system and the US Constitution. But, if there ever was a case where we should throw it out, this would be the one.

After reading and watching several reports, I am open to the Pakistanis not knowing he was there. In some ways, it was safer than out in the wilderness. The US had to factor in a military base that close by in the operation. No one really would have suspected he was hiding that close. Now it would be even more believable if it was in a different country than Pakistan. At first I was surprised he wasn't surrounded by more fire power and in a compound with tunnels or some other mean of escaping. But again, that would have attracted more attention. Another thought, if high ranking Pakistan military and government knew, why not build him a compound inside one of their bases? A top secret building could have been arranged as a research facility. I will agree the most likely scenario is some knew and were protecting him, but I am open to the idea that they did not.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 3, 2011 -> 12:51 PM) I think it's safe to assume he's been in this compound, maybe with the occasional trip out, since 2005. If nothing else, the U.S. has supposedly been watching this facility quite intently for the last year and there's no reports that we saw him coming or going. I assume they checked for any underground tunnels. Although 40 minutes might not have been enough. Also, someone had to have left to buy grocercies, beer, check the soccer scores, pick up porn.He could have been concealed. So many questions. It's a book I'd buy.

I am assuming that their military has more freedom to check civilian homes than here in the US. It would be very easy to understand someone hiding in a home like that in the US and not getting caught. We have so many privacy laws. Hell, we don't catch everyone on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list. I am a little surprised that Pakistan is trying to take some public credit. That would set them up for reprisals from what remains of Al Qaeda.

they are busing the homeless back home? If they have a home, how are the homeless?

I may have missed it, but is the assumption he's been there since 2005? I'm not surprised he was living in a mansion, with his money I assumed he was in some remote villa with access to multiple escape points. My second assumption was he had multiple safe houses to move to, never staying more than a week or two at any one place. Perhaps he grew tired of running. If he had been there since 2005 there is a bit of satisfaction knowing he was a prisoner, even if he was a prisoner in a prison he built.

The Olympic security went up substantially after the Munich Olympics. In Mexico and South America, mention the Gulf or Zeta Cartels and people will tell you a lot. The IRA, PLO all have caused security to tighten. You can't park next to most Federal buildings today, the reason? Timothy McVeigh. Could you name the terrorists that captured the school in Russia with hundreds killed? I bet they can in Russia. I'm not discounting the terror that Al-Qaeda has inflicted on parts of the world, but there are just so many countries that are not involved, not targeted, just do not care. Of terrorist attacks that have killed more than say 100 people, there are only a few countries that are involved. bin Laden. former US ally, announced war on Americans, not Christians, not Jews, Americans. We felt his terror more than any other country. I'd say in the Arab world there is a sense of relief not that he was brought to justice, but that America will not be coming to their country to look for him. You are right his organization is felt around the world, but it was felt ten times more here.

What did they say AJ was doing?

Jenks, again we will disagree on world. Bin Laden wasn't an issue for most of the world. Narco-terrorism is way more of an issue in South America and Mexico. Bin Laden isn't the biggest problem for Israel. What terrorism did Obama cause in Norway, Sweden, Greenland, Australia? Did Bin Laden commit crimes against Japan, Korea, China, Vietnam? Bin Laden wanted death to Americans. Most of the rest of the world could give a f*** about us. Again, where were the people waving Greek flags in Greece? Where were the celebrations in Turkey? Yemen? Honduras? He was an American problem and we took him out. I believe the celebrations will have a bigger impact here in the US, both positive and negative, than you do. I think they will have a much smaller impact around the rest of the world than you do.

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ May 2, 2011 -> 09:30 PM) I just wanna know who brought the beach balls to the white house last night for the spontaneous celebration. And who brought the cheerleaders? or the guy in the stars and stripes spandex bodysuit on the light post? Sounds like SPLASH weekend on South Padre.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 2, 2011 -> 09:25 PM) Fine. Change "world" to the "west." Doesn't really alter my point. I think it points to the differences in this thread. You were painting a picture of the world wanting him dead and cheering with almost no one against that position. My point was the west may be cheering, but not in the rest of the world. So in judging the good and the bad that comes from it, it is good for the west, bad for the rest of the world. Which is why some people here put more weight on the bad than you do. And, while thinking it is as good as you say, only add the weight of the west, not the whole world. Again, I had no probloem with the cheering, I think it did more good than harm, but believe the harm was greater than you believe. Hating us passively and taking action are two different things. We probably pushed a few people to take action. We'll see if they are successful.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 2, 2011 -> 09:15 PM) He was pretty heavily active against Saudi Arabia in the 2000's. Libya as well. He was a gigantic s***head to a good chunk of the world, Christian and Muslim. I just do not see celebrations like in the US anywhere else in the world. For the WORLD"S #1 Terrorist to be brought to justice, you would think we'd see these crazy street celebrations in Australia, Germany, South Africa, Spain, Pakistan, Brazil, Mexico, Korea, China . . . He was justifiably the #1 face of terrorism in the US, and we should have spend the resources to take him out, but for most of the seven billion people on the planet, he was a criminal who committed a crime against America or worse, a justified freedom fighter.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 2, 2011 -> 09:10 PM) Are you living in reality? You do know that Bin Laden was the world's number 1 terrorist right? How on earth can you call him a small b**** considering the lives and money he's cost the world over the last 10-12 years? World's? Which countries are you including in that? He was certainly the US's #1 and perhaps a couple other english speaking, Christian countries, #1 terrorist threat, but he was nothing to most of the world.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 2, 2011 -> 09:04 PM) No you can't. I just showed you how they're recruiting new people and spreading their message simply because of his death. It had nothing to do with our celebration of it. And you don't think celebrating helped people? You don't think that helped the national mood? You don't think that's good news that made people happy, even if for a day? GMAFB man. I believe celebrating helped some people, in balance, the celebrations may have done more good than harm. And of course our existance is enough for some people, but you act as if people are already set on for or against us. There are a lot of people out there, watching CNN, FOX, and other US coverage, who are not swayed as much by terrorist recruiting but on what they see with their own eyes from as close to unbiased sources as available. You are certainly intelligent enough to see that point.

I forgot it is impossible to wake someone who is pretending to be asleep.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 2, 2011 -> 08:43 PM) What is this bizarre world where I'm agreeing with Tex and ss2k5 in the same thread? And once again I want to be clear, I'm not saying celebrating is wrong, I believe it was sincere and genuine for most of the people. Different people all react differently. But the extremists sell converts that we are the extremists, that we are the blood thirsty Muslim killers on a holy war and they need to band together to protect themselves from the evil US empire. We looked like it last night.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 2, 2011 -> 08:35 PM) All because we killed the worlds #1 terrorist after 10 years and were happy about it? Really? The President of the US is the #1 terrorist in some corners of the world. If they killed him (either Bush or Obama) what would the US reaction be? Hey, he was the #1 terrorist in the Arab world, so we're cool with them celebrating? You do get that the US looking like Muslim blood thirsty terrorists is exactly what they use against us? Earlier we killed Qaddafi's grandchildren, how do you think that played out? Again, the wonderful part about America is we can celebrate like this, we have the First Amendment, but those celebrations will help terrorists recruit and receive donations.