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No he's NOT F'g RIGHT! If you want to say that WHEN Patterson gets ON he's a more valueable runner than Frank, well that's like the F'g most obvious statement in the world to make but fine. Dually noted. But if you're going to say that the TOTAL number of times Patterson has EARNED a base is more important than the TOTAL number of times Frank has then you're a F'g idiot. In 2003 FT was on-base 258 times. In 2002 FT was on-base 227 times. In 2003 CP was on-base 114 times. In 2002 CP was on-base 177 times. Now any one with a F'g brain can see the vast difference in those numbers & realize that's insane to even compare these 2 players. Reynold's don't expect a coaching job in the ML's any time soon. Dip s***!

Here to teach the moron Reynolds: predicted RPG = predicted runs/game of entire lineup of given player It takes into account all of the player's offensive statistics such as W (noting IW), HBP SB CS SH SF as well as the normal S D T and HR. And of equal importance it takes into account the total OUTS made, including SO. 2004: AL: A 1 Thomas, Frank CHW R 11.56 A 2 Belliard, Ron CLE R 11.18 A 3 Beltran, Carlos KC B 10.81 A 4 Ford, Lew MIN R 10.80 A 5 Giambi, Jason NYY L 9.62 A 6 Mora, Melvin BAL R 9.55 A 7 Uribe, Juan CHW R 9.47 A 8 Posada, Jorge NYY B 9.22 A 9 Lopez, Javy BAL R 9.21 A 10 Ramirez, Manny BOS R 8.65 NL: A 64 Patterson, Corey CHC L 4.93 2003: A 6 Thomas, Frank CHW R 7.78 B 22 Patterson, Corey CHC L 5.62 Reynold's WHO THE <BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP> ARE YOU CRAPPPING?!!!!!!!!!! ESPN get a REAL <BLEEEEPPPPPPPING> ANALYST!

Everyday position players: MIN > CHW > CLE > DET > KC Part-time players: CHW > MIN > CLE > DET > KC Reserves: MIN > DET > KC > CHW > CLE Starters: CHW > DET > MIN > CLE > KC Relievers & failed starters: CHW > MIN > KC > CLE > DET Temps: KC > CLE > MIN > DET > CHW (we don't have any! ) You should be more afraid of DET than CLE.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/alp04.htm ALC NPERA Apr 2004 (ending 5/2) A 1 Sabathia, C.C. CLE L 1.96 A 13 Loaiza, Esteban CHW R 3.33 A 14 Maroth, Mike DET L 3.36 A 16 Santana, Johan MIN L 3.42 A 18 Lee, Cliff CLE L 3.55 A 23 Garland, Jon CHW R 3.91 A 25 Buehrle, Mark CHW L 3.97 A 27 Silva, Carlos MIN R 4.06 A 28 Davis, Jason CLE R 4.11 A 30 Schoeneweis, Scott CHW L 4.13 A 31 Robertson, Nate DET L 4.13 A 33 Johnson, Jason DET R 4.18 A 35 Bonderman, Jeremy DET R 4.27 A 37 Radke, Brad MIN R 4.39 A 42 Affeldt, Jeremy KC L 4.91 A 44 Anderson, Brian KC L 5.24 A 47 Lohse, Kyle MIN R 5.81 A 50 Cornejo, Nate DET R 7.26 Starters: CHW > DET > MIN > CLE > KC B 5 Field, Nate KC R 1.00 B 10 Fultz, Aaron MIN L 1.45 B 12 Westbrook, Jake CLE R 1.58 B 17 Takatsu, Shingo CHW R 1.86 B 19 Cotts, Neal CHW L 2.02 B 22 Rincon, Juan MIN R 2.23 B 26 Grimsley, Jason KC R 2.40 B 30 Jackson, Mike CHW R 2.80 B 31 Walker, Jamie DET L 2.82 B 32 Koch, Billy CHW R 2.84 B 33 Romero, J.C. MIN L 2.91 B 42 Betancourt, Rafael CLE R 3.32 B 45 Sullivan, Scott KC R 3.50 B 46 Gobble, Jimmy KC L 3.51 B 50 Stanford, Jason CLE L 3.62 B 52 Patterson, Danny DET R 3.97 B 55 Roa, Joe MIN R 4.00 B 57 Nathan, Joe MIN R 4.02 B 58 Reyes, Dennys KC L 4.09 B 59 Camp, Shawn KC R 4.26 B 61 Levine, Al DET R 4.47 B 62 Politte, Cliff CHW R 4.49 B 63 Yan, Esteban DET R 4.53 B 64 D'Amico, Jeff C. CLE R 4.59 B 69 Adkins, Jon CHW R 4.94 B 71 Marte, Damaso CHW L 5.35 B 72 Pulido, Carlos MIN L 5.38 B 77 Knotts, Gary DET R 5.87 B 79 Cressend, Jack CLE R 6.40 B 80 Wright, Dan CHW R 6.60 B 82 Greisinger, Seth MIN R 6.82 B 85 May, Darrell KC L 7.01 B 86 Durbin, Chad CLE R 7.10 B 89 Stewart, Scott CLE L 7.84 B 90 Colyer, Steve DET L 8.53 Relievers & failed starters: CHW > MIN > KC > CLE > DET C 3 Huisman, Justin KC R .20 C 10 MacDougal, Mike KC R 2.10 C 11 Cerda, Jaime KC L 2.15 C 15 Mulholland, Terry MIN L 2.55 C 20 Urbina, Ugueth DET R 3.79 C 21 Jimenez, Jose CLE R 3.80 C 24 Carrasco, D.J. KC R 4.44 C 27 Robertson, Jeriome CLE L 4.73 C 28 White, Rick CLE R 4.90 C 33 Lee, Dave CLE R 6.96 C 34 Appier, Kevin KC R 7.01 C 36 Laker, Tim CLE R 7.51 C 38 Tadano, Kazuhito CLE R 8.34 C 40 Leskanic, Curtis KC R 8.53 C 43 Villacis, Eduardo KC R 9.44 C 45 Riske, David CLE R 11.48 C 49 Anderson, Jason CLE R 16.38 Temps: KC > CLE > MIN > DET > CHW (we don't have any! )

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/alb04.htm ALC RPG SAG RATINGS (Apr 2004 ending 5/2): A 1 Thomas, Frank CHW R 11.56 A 2 Belliard, Ron CLE R 11.18 A 3 Beltran, Carlos KC B 10.81 A 4 Ford, Lew MIN R 10.80 A 7 Uribe, Juan CHW R 9.47 A 12 Hafner, Travis CLE L 8.10 A 14 Harvey, Ken KC R 7.92 A 15 White, Rondell DET R 7.8 A 18 Jones, Jacque MIN L 7.39 A 19 Stewart, Shannon MIN R 7.37 A 22 Rodriguez, Ivan DET R 7.11 A 23 Glaus, Troy ANA R 7.05 A 26 Sweeney, Mike KC R 6.82 A 28 Koskie, Corey MIN L 6.6 A 29 Lawton, Matt CLE L 6.60 A 30 Konerko, Paul CHW R 6.51 A 34 Ordonez, Magglio CHW R 6.19 A 42 Guillen, Carlos DET B 5.79 A 43 Martinez, Victor CLE B 5.77 A 46 Mientkiewicz, Doug MIN L 5.59 A 49 Pena, Carlos DET L 5.42 A 50 Gerut, Jody CLE L 5.37 A 53 Randa, Joe KC R 5.25 A 54 Vizquel, Omar CLE B 5.19 A 56 Lee, Carlos CHW R 5.08 A 57 Graffanino, Tony KC R 5.07 A 58 Gonzalez, Juan KC R 5.04 A 62 Blanco, Henry MIN R 4.80 A 65 Blake, Casey CLE R 4.52 A 68 Harris, Willie CHW L 4.32 A 72 Sanchez, Alex DET L 4.11 A 74 Vina, Fernando DET L 3.96 A 77 Crede, Joe CHW R 3.79 A 82 Higginson, Bobby DET L 3.63 A 84 Guzman, Cristian MIN B 3.56 A 89 Monroe, Craig DET R 3.07 Everyday position players: MIN > CHW > CLE > DET > KC B 5 Inge, Brandon DET R 8.10 B 8 Broussard, Ben CLE L 7.33 B 10 Olivo, Miguel CHW R 7.24 B 17 Stairs, Matt KC L 6.62 B 18 Valentin, Jose CHW B 6.42 B 19 Offerman, Jose MIN B 6.41 B 20 Punto, Nick MIN B 6.31 B 28 Rowand, Aaron CHW R 4.70 B 34 Santiago, Benito KC R 4.28 B 35 Escobar, Alex CLE R 4.25 B 36 Munson, Eric DET L 4.22 B 37 Guiel, Aaron KC L 4.16 B 38 Cuddyer, Michael MIN R 4.07 B 39 Merloni, Lou CLE R 3.88 B 40 Blanco, Andres KC B 3.85 B 42 Gload, Ross CHW L 3.72 B 44 Hunter, Torii MIN R 3.53 B 51 Alomar, Sandy Jr. CHW R 3.22 B 54 Laker, Tim CLE R 3.07 B 56 Rivas, Luis MIN R 2.89 B 57 Perez, Timo CHW L 2.83 B 58 Crisp, Coco CLE B 2.55 B 61 Berroa, Angel KC R 2.35 B 62 Lopez, Mendy KC R 2.09 B 65 Norton, Greg DET B 1.89 Part-time players: CHW > MIN > CLE > DET > KC C 1 Mauer, Joe MIN L 94.28 C 3 Young, Dmitri DET B 19.56 C 5 Stinnett, Kelly KC R 8.82 C 7 Ryan, Michael MIN L 8.14 C 9 Bowen, Rob MIN B 5.93 C 11 Dransfeldt, Kelly CHW R 5.19 C 15 LeCroy, Matthew MIN R 3.68 C 20 Infante, Omar DET R 2.36 C 24 Shelton, Chris DET R 1.81 Reserves: MIN > DET > KC > CHW > CLE

I have to agree with the rest. He's got E coast written all over him. Pick one: NYY, BOS, or BAL. We have no shot at landing him & the fav to get him is NY. NY will like re-tool with Pedro & Beltran before 2005. The 2005 rotation will be : Brown, Pedro, Mussina, Vasquez, Lieber They will trade Contreras, Lofton/Williams with major cash incentives. There are always takers.

Last I heard, he was offered 58/4. That's better than 14 mil a yr. When I heard he rejected that I said goodbye. I don't care how much is deferred. Everybody accepts deferred $ these days. Manny's 20 mil is only real worth 16 mil/yr with deferred payments. Beltran is 3 yrs younger & right now is in the top 10 in the AL. When you factor both his speed & power if I'm going to overpay I'm going to do it on Beltran. I don't think we should commit $ now on Maggs when we don't know what Garland, E-LO, & SSchow will cost in 2005. By the break will have an idea but if we hope to compete in 2005 we need to bring back 2 of the 3. If 2 of the 3 win over 15 gms, we might be looking at 12-15 mil to bring them back.

=========================================== =========================================== RACE TO BE THE BEST !!! ending 5/2/2004 =========================================== =========================================== MVP of SOX for Apr: Magglio Ordonez (Hon mention: Miguel Olivo) Indiv Game Honors: PoG: MOL(3), JG(3), MO(3), FT(3), SS(2), EL(2), JC(2), SA(1), MB(1), JV(1), PK(1), ST(1), JU(1) AoG: MB(3), BK(3), JG(3), JA(3), NC(2), MJ(2), SS(2), CP(1), EL(2), DW(1), DM(1), ST(1) BoG: MO(6), FT(5), JU(3), JV(2), MOL(2), JC(2), WH(1), CL(1), SA(1), PK(1) GoG: MOL(6), JC(5), CL(3), JV(2), MO(2), WH(2), AR(1), TP(1), JU(1), MB(1) PoG=Player of the Game AoG=Arm of the Game BoG=Bat of the Game GoG=Glove of the Game =========================================== =========================================== =========================================== Running Totals: =========================================== Starter Arms: JG < SS < EL < DW < MB DW(157/4=40)=43+34+27+53 SS(110/4=27)=32+10+17+51 EL(139/5=28)=24+40+4+19+32 MB(250/6=42)=28+10+38+121+33+20 JG(109/5=22)=14+32+24+27+22 Relief Arms: ST < NC < CP < BK < MJ < DM < JA ST(122/8=15)=85+0+17+0+5+5+0+10 BK(283/12=24)=45+10+37+5+175+0+10+10+34+7+0+10 DM(287/9=32)=155+10+13+10+0+30+19+30+20 NC(201/9=22)=10+13+30+0+20+20+15+8+85 JA(196/6=35)=12+5+10+138+0+31 MJ(195/7=28)=27+10+3+112+30+0+13 CP(228/10=23)=35+10+10+11+0+5+80+67+0+0 Starter Bats: MO > PK > FT > CL > JC > WH > AR MO(1007)=25+84+137+100+23+17+42+73+5+15+20+41+107+10+14+34+5+87+86+52+25+10+5 PK(768)=89+7+32+5+29+111+64+7+25+50+76+21+19+75+70+5+51+21+16 FT(766)=21+9+19+36+48+42+77+25+20+31+20+62+64+16+66+24+61+14+44+7+50 CL(668)=76+50+40+55+54+42+5+2+45+20+5+50+24+32+10+2+67+54+15+10+10 WH(564)=2+47+89+20+6+5+30+10+57+7+19+10+68+44+26+47+19+12+44 AR(412)=18+16+24+20+11+30+50+40+91+29+40+13+15+10+24 JC(601)=14+38+66+30+20+38+50+62+10+5+9+55+96+87+21 Relief Bats: JU > MOL > RG > SA > TP > KD JU(662)=2+28+60+36+54+34+14+30+15+75+49+93+41+54+70+2 MOL(498)=85+53+4+66+102+10+23+45+2+101+7 RG(218)=15+2+51+60+19+65+4+2 KD(112)=4+10+34+6+42+16 SA(191)=98+27+25+2+10+27+2 TP(165)=48+14+2+14+61+26 DL Bats: JV(478)=49+32+70+96+68+10+64+10+5+72 =========================================== The totals have been updated for all games in April (ending 5/2). It's no surprise that Maggs leads in the bats, but it is surprising that with a 250 pt edge over Koney & Thomas he only had 6 BoGs. One more than Frank. Still Maggs had more games with some production than any other player. Miguel Olivo is the franchise player for the White Sox. Second only to the phenomenal Uribe in offensive production, his D skils are arguably the best in the game. In the first month alone he has 6 GoGs & it almost looks like this is a preview of things to come. We might start seeing some comparisons to I-ROD in his prime before to long.

Reynolds is an idiot. That's why he's know Sagarin. In the Sagarin ratings (something ALL fantasy leagues use) Thomas is ranked #2 with an RPG of 11.45. His HR today only helped his cause. Patterson is ranked 61st in the NL (5.06). Why is Reynolds an idiot? 1) He failed to consider how many times ANY BODY scores when a big bopper walks. 2) He failed to consider the wear factor on the pitcher when a big bopper has a 10 pitch walk. 3) He failed to consider how many times a big bopper walk moves a runner to 2nd. 4) He failed to consider that a big bopper walk brings another man to the plate.

Harold Reynolds is an idiot. He believes OBP is over-rated for the big boppers because of their slow speed. So what he did was look up the number of times they were on base vs their runs scored in 2003. In Thomas' case he said he scored 45 out of 200+ times. Giambi was slightly better. But here's the fallacy in his so-called logic. He didn't bother to look up the average pitch counts assoc with the walks. He didn't bother to look up wins vs walks. He didn't bother to look up any many times ANY BODY scores in an inning when a big bopper walks. He didn't bother to consider big bopper walks vs GIDP. I believe OBP is one of the most important stats in baseball because it leads to greater pressure on the opposing pitcher. It's what I consider the wear down factor. This is oblivious to someone like Reynolds but any one following this years SOX games can see this. If there is one on & Thomas works a 10 pitch walk, the next guy can drive in a run with just a hit. That's what Reynolds completely ignores & this is the what the big bopper walks produce around the league. The objective for any team against a starter is to get the starter out of the game as soon as possible. This usually increases the odds of the team with scoring against the reliever. Big bopper walks help obtain that objective. This is also why in the Sagarin ratings: #2 - Frank Thomas 11.45 Why is he #2? 16R, 20H, 5HR, 10RBI, 23W, 39TB, 63AB, 44OB

========================================== Sun, May 2 v TOR W3-2: Black Jack Garland? POG: Jon Garland (7+ip, 1R) AOG: Jon Garland (7+ip, 1R) BOG: Frank Thomas (HR difference maker) GoG: Juan Uribe (3 big plays, saving 2-3 runs. Hon Ment: C Lee (1 run saving throw) Note: The GoG was close because of the momentum shift C Lee's play had. If that run scores it completely shifts momentum to the Jays. Grant it was only one play but the value on that play was great. Overall Uribe made some very big plays to save runs including a strong armed DP. If Uribe doesn't make those plays the momentum shifts even earlier in the ball game. ========================================== JG(22)=32+10+12+0+50+20+30+20 DM=20 CP=0 BK=10 WH(44)=24+5+15 JU=2 MO=5 CL=10 AR=24 MOL(7)=2+5 FT=50 ========================================== TORONTO 1ST -H Clark walked. 5 -V Wells grounded out to third, H Clark to second. 2 -C Delgado singled to center, H Clark scored. 25 JG=32 CHICAGO SOX 1ST -W Harris doubled to left. 20 -J Uribe sacrificed to pitcher, W Harris to third. 2,2 -M Ordonez hit sacrifice fly to right, W Harris scored. 5,2 WH=24 JU=2 MO=5 TORONTO 2ND -G Zaun singled to right. 10 JG=10 CHICAGO SOX 2ND -C Lee singled to left. 10 CL=10 TORONTO 3RD -F Catalanotto singled to left center. 10 -V Wells grounded into fielder's choice to shortstop, F Catalanotto out at second. 2 JG=12 CHICAGO SOX 3RD -A Rowand doubled to deep left. 20 -M Olivo sacrificed to pitcher, A Rowand to third. 2,2 -W Harris hit sacrifice fly to left, A Rowand scored. 5,2 -J Uribe walked. 5 -J Uribe caught stealing second, catcher to second. -5 AR=24 MOL=2 WH=5 TORONTO 4TH JG=0 CHICAGO SOX 4TH -F Thomas homered to left center. 50 FT=50 TORONTO 5TH -G Zaun singled to left center. 10 -C Gomez reached on infield single to shortstop, G Zaun to second. 20 -F Catalanotto singled to right, G Zaun to third, C Gomez to second. 20 JG=50 CHICAGO SOX 5TH TORONTO 6TH -O Hudson doubled to deep left center.20 JG=20 CHICAGO SOX 6TH TORONTO 7TH -Top of the 7th inning -G Zaun singled to right. 10 -C Gomez singled to right, G Zaun to third. 20 JG=30 CHICAGO SOX 7TH TORONTO 8TH -V Wells doubled to deep left center. 20 JG=20 -D Marte relieved J Garland. -V Wells to third on wild pitch by D Marte. 10 -R Johnson walked. 5 -O Hudson hit sacrifice fly to right, V Wells scored. 5 DM=20 -C Politte relieved D Marte. CP=0 CHICAGO SOX 8TH -M Olivo safe at first on error by third baseman H Clark. 5 -W Harris reached on bunt single to catcher, M Olivo to second. 15 MOL=5 WH=15 TORONTO 9TH -B Koch relieved C Politte. -G Zaun singled to left center. 10 BK=10

=========================================== =========================================== RACE TO BE THE BEST !!! May 2nd thru May 31st =========================================== =========================================== Indiv Game Honors: PoG: MB(4), SS(3), EL(3), PK(3), JG(2), FT(2), MO(1), JU(1), MOL(1), RG(1), CL(1), MJ(1), AR(1) AoG: SS(5), EL(4), MB(4), JG(4), DM(2), NC(1), ST(1), CP(1), MJ(1), JA(1) BoG: FT(4), PK(4), JV(4), AR(2), RG(2), CL(2), MO(2), JU(1), MOL(1), SA(1) GoG: JU(7), AR(4), PK(3), JV(2), CL(2), WH(2), JC(1), EL(1), MOL(1), TP(1) PoG=Player of the Game AoG=Arm of the Game BoG=Bat of the Game GoG=Glove of the Game =========================================== =========================================== =========================================== Running Totals: =========================================== Starter Arms: MB(21) < SS(23) < JG(24) < EL (28) < FD(51) < JR(53) Relief Arms: ST(9) < DM(10) < JA(17) < BK(27) < MJ(28) < NC(31) < CP(38) Pinch Arms: KW(19) Starter Bats: FT(921) > JV(873) > PK(843) > JU(819) > CL(806) > MO(723) > JC(444) Relief Bats: AR(514) > MOL(441) > WH(412) > RG(396) > TP(323) > SA(237) Pinch Bats: KD(12) > JB(5) Note: cum avg for starters & arms is pts / appearances =========================================== =========================================== Disclaimer: I want to first say that I am a guest in the PTC game & that I fully recognize the owner of the game is SS. This thread has no intention of undermining the scoring system of that game. The purpose of this thread is to keep track of the value of each SOX player as the season progresses. Bats: (Incremental hit values) Hits: 1B=10, 2B=20, 3B=30, HR=50 Hits-Ron: 5 pts for each base + BONUS 5 pts for run scored Non-Hits: 1B=5, Non-Hits-Ron: 2 pts for each base earned + BONUS 3 pts for run scored This system places a value on BOTH the quality of the AB & the effect it has on RON. Non-hits addresses the impact of sacrifices, fielder's choice, errors, etc. Basically if you move a runner over in a non-hit AB you should get some credit for making someone make a play on the ball. Runner: SB: 2B=10, 3B=15, RS=20, -5 pts for each CS (RS=Run Stolen) FP: 2 pts for each base earned in the field of play This system rewards some value for smart base running during the field of play. It's much harder to steal home than 3rd & 3rd than 2nd. Hence the increments. Arms: Evaluation of pitchers will be based on evaluation of opposing team's hitters. That total for each pitcher will then be divided by innings pitched. The pitcher with the least point value is the arm of the game.

========================================== Sat, May 1b v TOR L10-6: Wright=Wrong! POG: Miguel Olivo (Did all he could) AOG: Billy Koch (hitless 9th) BOG: Miguel Olivo (101, 1B, RON 1,2 HR) GoG: Miguel Olivo (Throw) Note: Neil Cotts is NOT the 5th starter either! Sun will be the last game for this thread. A new thread will be started for May. ========================================== DW(53)=17+167+12+77 SUCKS! JA(31)=15+52+25 MJ(13)=0+25 NC=85 WORST! ST=10 BK=0 (HOLY COW!) CL(10)=5+5 MOL(101)=16+85 JU=70 MO=10 PK=16 JC=21 FT(44)=10+27+7 AR(15)=5+10 KD=16 WH=12 FT=7 ========================================== TORONTO 1ST -F Catalanotto singled to center. 10 -V Wells walked, F Catalanotto to second. 7 DW=17 CHICAGO SOX 1ST TORONTO 2ND -E Hinske homered to right. 50 -G Zaun singled to center. 10 -O Hudson homered to right, G Zaun scored. 70 -F Catalanotto singled to right center. 10 -V Wells walked, F Catalanotto to second. 7 DW=167 CHICAGO SOX 2ND -C Lee walked. 5 CL=5 TORONTO 3RD -J Phelps singled to center. 10 -E Hinske grounded into fielder's choice to second, J Phelps out at second. 2 DW=12 CHICAGO SOX 3RD -M Olivo reached on infield single to third. 10 -J Uribe homered to left, M Olivo scored. 70,6 -M Ordonez reached on infield single to third. 10 MOL=16 JU=70 MO=10 TORONTO 4TH -C Woodward singled to center. 10 -H Clark walked, C Woodward to second. 7 -F Catalanotto singled to center, C Woodward scored, H Clark to second. 30 -V Wells singled to left, H Clark scored, F Catalanotto to second. 30 DW=77 -J Adkins relieved D Wright. -F Catalanotto to third, V Wells to second on passed ball by M Olivo. 5 -C Delgado intentionally walked. 5 -J Phelps grounded into fielder's choice to third, F Catalanotto scored, V Wells out at third, C Delgado to second.5 JA=15 CHICAGO SOX 4TH -P Konerko singled to left. 10 -J Crede singled to left, P Konerko to second. 15,2 -M Olivo homered to left, P Konerko and J Crede scored. 85,4,6 PK=16 JC=21 MOL=85 TORONTO 5TH -C Woodward singled to left. 10 -H Clark grounded out to second, C Woodward to second. 2 -F Catalanotto singled to left, C Woodward scored. 25 -V Wells singled to center, F Catalanotto to second. 15 JA=52 CHICAGO SOX 5TH -F Thomas singled to deep left. 10 FT=10 TORONTO 6TH -E Hinske walked.5 -E Hinske caught stealing second, catcher to shortstop.-5 -G Zaun doubled to right. 20 -O Hudson walked. 5 JA=25 MJ=0 CHICAGO SOX 6TH -A Rowand walked. 5 AR=5 TORONTO 7TH -F Catalanotto doubled to center. 20 -V Wells walked. 5 MJ=25 -N Cotts relieved M Jackson. -C Delgado singled to center, F Catalanotto scored, V Wells to second. 30 -J Phelps singled to left, V Wells to third, C Delgado to second. 20 -E Hinske hit sacrifice fly to center, V Wells scored. 5 -G Zaun singled to center, C Delgado scored, J Phelps to second. 30 NC=85 CHICAGO SOX 7TH -K Dransfeldt singled to left. 10 -F Thomas doubled to left, K Dransfeldt to third. 25,4 -C Lee safe at first on throwing error by pitcher M Nakamura, K Dransfeldt scored, F Thomas to third. 5,2,2 KD=16 FT=27 CL=5 TORONTO 8TH -S Takatsu relieved N Cotts. -F Catalanotto singled to left center.10 ST=10 CHICAGO SOX 8TH -A Rowand singled to center. 10 AR=10 TORONTO 9TH -B Koch relieved S Takatsu. BK=0 (HOLY COW!) CHICAGO SOX 9TH -W Harris singled to right. 10 -F Thomas walked, W Harris to second. 7,2 WH=12 FT=7

========================================== Sat, May 1 v TOR W4-3: Way to go Joe! POG: Joe Crede (hon mention: Mark Buehrle) AOG: Mark Buehrle (20, 7IP/2R) BOG: Joe Crede (87, RON 1 HR, 2 RBI, 1B) GoG: Joe Crede Note: The POG selection was very tough on this one. But Joe's D helped Mark out, & his 2 big ab's off Halliday gave the SOX the lead & the win. ========================================== MB(20)=30+45+0+12+50+0+0 CP=0+0 DM=60+0 ST=0 JU(54)=10+22+22 PK(21)=5+11+5 TP(26)=24+2 SA=2 WH(19)=5+9+5 JC(87)=70+12+5 MO(25)=7+2+16 FT(14)=5+9 RG=2 ========================================== TORONTO 1ST -C Woodward tripled to deep right center. 30 MB=30 CHICAGO SOX 1ST -J Uribe reached on infield single to third. 10 JU=10 TORONTO 2ND -K Cash singled to right center. 10 -O Hudson doubled to deep center, K Cash scored. 35,4 MB=45 CHICAGO SOX 2ND -P Konerko walked. 5 PK=5 TORONTO 3RD CHICAGO SOX 3RD -T Perez doubled to right. 20 -S Alomar Jr sacrificed to pitcher, T Perez to third. 2,2 -W Harris sacrificed to catcher, T Perez scored. 5,2 TP=24 SA=2 WH=5 TORONTO 4TH -C Delgado walked. 5 -E Hinske safe at first on error by pitcher M Buehrle, C Delgado to second. 5 -K Cash grounded out to third, C Delgado to third, E Hinske to second. 2 MB=12 CHICAGO SOX 4TH TORONTO 5TH -C Woodward hit by pitch. 5 -V Wells singled to center, C Woodward to second. 15 -C Delgado singled to left, C Woodward scored, V Wells to second. 30 MB=50 CHICAGO SOX 5TH -P Konerko walked. 5 -J Crede homered to left center, P Konerko scored. 70,6 -W Harris walked. 5 -J Uribe singled to right center, W Harris to third. 20,4 -M Ordonez walked, J Uribe to second. 7,2 PK=11 JC=70 WH=9 JU=22 MO=7 TORONTO 6TH MB=0 CHICAGO SOX 6TH TORONTO 7TH MB=0 -C Politte relieved M Buehrle. CP=0 CHICAGO SOX 7TH TORONTO 8TH CP=0 -D Marte relieved C Politte. -C Delgado homered to right. 50 -J Phelps singled to right center. 10 DM=60 CHICAGO SOX 8TH -J Uribe doubled to deep left. 20 -M Ordonez grounded out to shortstop, J Uribe to third. 2,2 -F Thomas intentionally walked. 5 JU=22 Mo=2 FT=5 TORONTO 9TH DM=0 CHICAGO SOX 9TH -J Crede singled to left. 10 -T Perez sacrificed to pitcher, J Crede to second. 2,2 -W Harris walked. 5 JC=12 TP=2 WH=5 TORONTO 10TH -S Takatsu relieved D Marte. ST=0 CHICAGO SOX 10TH -M Ordonez singled to left. 10 -F Thomas walked, M Ordonez to second. 7,2 -R Gload sacrificed to third, M Ordonez to third, F Thomas to second. 2,2,2 -P Konerko intentionally walked. 5 -J Crede hit sacrifice fly to right, M Ordonez scored. 5,2 MO=16 FT=9 RG=2 PK=5 JC=5

http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/ds.../pro/021sd4.htm 1-You want more bars and restaurants in the neighborhood. 2-You want ticket prices to be lowered — especially for upper-deck seats. 3-You want cheaper parking. 4-You want Metra service. 5-You want more family-oriented promotions. 6-You want a visible commitment from the owners that they care about you. 7-And you want Magglio re-signed. 1) Disagree. I don't think we need to have more bars & restaurants in what is still a low income housing neighborhood. What is needed is covered entertainment & food available before/after games near the park. I would be more in favor of a Taste of Chicago like atmosphere on home games than new bars & restaurant. I don't even think it is economically viable to even attempt permanent bars & restaurant in that hood. 2) I do not want ticket prices arbitrarily lowered. I think that is a mistake as many have advocated on other boards & threads. What I want is for the SOX to create a rebate program where a SOX ticket can be used to get $5 off a ticket for another game. I think this would go much further to building repeat business than cutting prices would go for building new business. People are drawn to good deals in any venue & this would be a good deal. 3) Parking right now represents a few thousand tickets sold ea. game. It doesn't count as attendance but it's a substantial part of revenue from SOX games. Again I don't agree with just slashing the prices, but I do agree with rebates. I can't stress this enough. You drive to the game in a car of 2 or 3 patrons. You pay the $16 & on the ticket it says redeemable for $5 off the next time. They you go to the game & it says the same thing on the tickets. Is that not going to make you feel better about the SOX? Will that not increase the likelihood of going to another game? 4) Metra service is a no-brainer. This is as much about convenience as it is about Metra montly passes. If you're paying $70-100/mo to commute to work via Metra & suddenly you can use that pass to get to/from The Cell you are more likely to frequent the ball park. Not to mention the time savings. It would probably be a 5min ride from LaSalle to The Cell. I'm a big advocate of this not just for The Cell but IIT as well. I think a Metra station at The Cell would have frequent ridership year round from IIT students, some of the private hgh schools in the area, some of the IIT research workers, & possibly some bridgeport residents as well. 5) More family-friendly promotions. Hmmm. I like 2 for 1 on Mom's day, & Fr's day, but I really think daily raffles would go further. This seems so simple to me for the SOX to do. Who has the best looking apparel line in MLB? The WHITE SOX. I don't care what the sales figures are, SOX apparel looks the best. So why not give fans the chance to win some of it at games. Again promotions build upon 1 another. Rebates for repeat parkers, rebates for repeat patrons, & now the chance to win SOX apparel at each game. Are you getting the picture? For a relatively low cost the SOX can give patrons such an emotional lift & feeling of wellness that the odds of them coming back would be great. 6) If they implemented 1-5 the fans would definitely know they care. 7) At what price? He's having a so-so year rate now. Probably still ranking in the top 50 but barely. In comparison Frank & Uribe are probably ranking in the top 20. Do we want a ShamME Sosa situation a few years down the road? He's barely in the top 70 right now! One thing FA has proven time & again. Bats for hire are FAR more plentiful than arms. Having learned that Pedro & Boston have broken off talks I would be very cautious if I were the SOX right now as to where I plan to allocate 14-15mil/yr. I think Maggs is worth 10-12mil/yr. Not a penny more. Keep in mind that the Yanks are trying to trade Giambi or Williams right now. That shows you how depreciation is hitting sluggers at the corners or OF. I think 7 should really address marquee players. Pedro or Maggs? Luis Gonalez will be avail from AZ. I'm just saying there are a lot of options to spend that kind of money on.

4/30 defensive challenge: Maggs or Wille? TORONTO 3RD -F Catalanotto reached on infield single to second. -C Delgado flied out to right. TORONTO 9TH -O Hudson hit by pitch. -C Woodward grounded into fielder's choice to second, O Hudson out at second. Maggs play on Delgado was made greater because of Willie's inability to make a play at second. I'm not saying that it was an easy play to make, but infield singles are rare enough to cause doubt. Likewise Wille's failure to gen a DP in the 9th could have hurt the SOX. Overall Maggs had better glove play than Willie, but Harris did have the web gem.

The big bop walkers of the league are really unsung heroes. This goes for Giambi & Bonds as well. Consider the value in pitch count of a Frank Thomas walk. Not only is it betw 8-10 pitches for Frank's ab, but it's usually a min of 4 pitches for the next ab his walk generates. So an 8 pitch walk is really worth about 12 in the pitch count. I think this is why the SOX are able to really battle back in late innings. Thomas not only does this against starters but he does it against the relief core as well. An 8-10 pitch walk against a reliever usually means he will face one less batter than he normally would. That doesn't show up in a scorer's table but it plays a big role in the game.

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Frank won the POG by a thin margin (61-52) over Maggs. Some might argue that Maggs GOG honor should put him over the time, but I don't agree. Frank's production at the plate resulted in an RBI double & run scored in the big rally. Maggs homer ignited the rally. But Frank's long counts & walk before the rally helped make the rally possible. Frank rarely earns a walk from a 3-0 or 3-1 count. He usually battles for the walk & that means his walks typically take 10 pitches. Thomas & Koney ate 17 pitches from Hentgen in the 4th. Thomas earned the walk & Koney struck out. But that kind of wear & tear led to 2 hits in the 5th, followed by the big 6th. When margins are thin as to whom is deserving of the award these things are looked at.

========================================== Thu, APR 29 v TOR W6-4: Holy Cow 6th! POG: Frank Thomas (61, Prod in 4 ab's) AOG: Neil Cotts (0R, inherited RON 2) BOG: Frank Thomas (2B, 1B, 2W, RBI, RS) GoG: Magglio Ordonez Note: Thomas' walks in late innings are big part of the teams comeback success. ========================================== EL(32)=0+92+10+50+0+52+20 NC(8)=15+0 BK=7 JU(41)=16+25 FT(61)=35+5+16+5 MO(52)=2+50 PK(51)=20+31 KD(42)=12+30 WH(47)=15+32 CL(15)=13+2 AR=13 MOL=2 ========================================== TORONTO 1ST EL=0 CHICAGO SOX 1ST -J Uribe singled to left. 10 -M Ordonez grounded out to shortstop, J Uribe to second.2,2 -F Thomas doubled to left, J Uribe scored.35,4 JU=16 FT=35 MO=2 TORONTO 2ND -C Delgado homered to right center. 50 -J Phelps walked. 5 -G Zaun grounded out to first, J Phelps to second. 2 -O Hudson doubled to deep right, J Phelps scored.35 EL=92 CHICAGO SOX 2ND -P Konerko doubled to deep center. 20 PK=20 TORONTO 3RD -F Catalanotto reached on infield single to second.10 EL=10 CHICAGO SOX 3RD TORONTO 4TH -G Zaun homered to right. 50 EL=50 CHICAGO SOX 4TH -F Thomas walked. 5 FT=5 TORONTO 5TH EL=0 CHICAGO SOX 5TH -K Dransfeldt singled to right. 10 -W Harris singled to left, K Dransfeldt to second. 15,2 KD=12 WH=15 TORONTO 6TH -C Delgado singled to deep right. 10 -J Phelps walked, C Delgado to second. 7 -E Hinske singled to center, C Delgado scored, J Phelps to third. 35 EL=52 CHICAGO SOX 6TH -M Ordonez homered to center. 50 -F Thomas singled to left. 10 -C Lee walked, F Thomas to second. 7.2 -P Konerko singled to left, F Thomas to third, C Lee to second. 25,2,2 -K Dransfeldt singled to right, F Thomas scored, C Lee to third, P Konerko to second.30,2,2,2 -A Rowand GO into FC to SS, C Lee scored, K Dransfeldt out at second, P Konerko to third. 7,2 -M Olivo sacrificed to pitcher, A Rowand to second. 2,2 -W Harris reached on infield single to shortstop, P Konerko scored, A Rowand to third. 25,2,2 -J Uribe singled to right, A Rowand scored, W Harris to second. 25,2,2 -W Harris to third on wild pitch by J Frasor. 5 MO=50 FT=16 CL=13 PK=31 KD=30 AR=13 MOL=2 WH=32 JU=25 TORONTO 7TH -C Woodward doubled to deep right center. 20 EL=20 -N Cotts relieved E Loaiza. -H Clark struck out swinging. -R Johnson hit for F Catalanotto. -R Johnson reached on bunt single to pitcher, C Woodward to third.15 NC=15 CHICAGO SOX 7TH -F Thomas walked. 5 -C Lee grounded into fielder's choice to third, F Thomas out at second. 2 FT=5 CL=2 TORONTO 8TH NC=0 CHICAGO SOX 8TH TORONTO 9TH -B Koch relieved N Cotts. -O Hudson hit by pitch. 5 -C Woodward grounded into fielder's choice to second, O Hudson out at second. 2 BK=7

As you all know I love baseball stats. There isn't another sport that generates as much interests in it's stats as baseball. So here's a new one I've created. I plan to update it either weekly or monthly so we can see it unfold over time. Enjoy! RS RA diff 1-Boston 103 74 +29 ALE 2-Texas 125 100 +25 ALW 3-Baltimore 118 97 +21 ALE 4-Chicago Sox 114 100 +14 ALC 5-Detroit 136 122 +14 ALC 6-Anaheim 127 115 +12 ALW 7-Minnesota 127 118 +09 ALC NY Yankees 99 104 -05 Kansas City 111 117 -06 Oakland 96 104 -08 Toronto 100 120 -20 Cleveland 110 135 -25 Tampa Bay 70 97 -27 Seattle 90 123 -33 Houston 126 90 +36 NLC Florida 104 80 +24 NLE Chicago Cubs 112 92 +20 NLC San Diego 108 93 +15 NLW Atlanta 114 100 +14 NLE St. Louis 126 120 +06 NLC Los Angeles 95 89 +06 NLW Philadelphia 84 80 +04 NLE Cincinnati 106 107 -01 Arizona 121 126 -05 Milwaukee 118 124 -06 Colorado 127 134 -07 Pittsburgh 81 92 -11 NY Mets 77 88 -11 San Francisco 90 131 -41 Montreal 40 83 -43 Big month of May: MIN 3 v ANA, 3 @ SEA, 3 @ OAK, 3 v SEA MIN 3 @ CHW, 3 @ TOR, 5 v CHW, 3 @ (TB,KC) CHW 4 v TOR, 3 @ BAL, 3 @ TOR, 3 v BAL CHW 3 v MIN, 3 @ CLE, 5 @ MIN, 3 v (TEX,ANA) Comments: MIN is playing above their run difference potential. That's the effect of a solid bullpen to hold the leads. Something the SOX need to greatly improve on. DET is scary. Leading the league in RS. When will White go on the DL?

Why does Wille Harris suck in the majors & excel in the minors? Why does Borchard struggle in the minors? What are the top 10 organzations in MLB they would like to find themselves playing for? Do they think the SOX will win a WS in their playing days? Do they hate the Cub? Do they hate the Cub minor league teams? What do they think of the steroid/supplement issue in MLB? Do they know of minor leaguers that use them? Any on the Cub team? Do they think Sosa is/was a steroid/homone freak? Which SOX players do they think are on something? Do they look forward to the day they play in the Cell? Are there other parks they are eager to play before? Is the media biased against them down there? Do they believe it's biased in Chicago? Which minor league player do they feel has the best shot to be the NEXT regular for the SOX?

They probably have get-togethers so they can swap stories. You call him Kotek-boy & I call him Moron-idi-ot.

Tue APR 27 v CLE: L11-7 : Was it a fool-moon out? Pun intended. PoG: Magglio Ordonez AoG: Damaso Marte (20, nothing to shout about) BoG: Magglio Ordonez (87, brought tying run to plate in 10th) GoG: Miguel Olivo (big play at plate) ==================================================== JG(27)=19+51+20+89+0+0+10 NC(20)=20 CP(67)=67 DM(19)=19 BK(34)=34 JA(138)=138 (SMELLLY!!!) JU(49)=24+10,5,10 MO(87)=65,2,20 FT(66)=50+16 PK(70)=50,20 JC(55)=10+10+30,5 MOL(45)=19+17+9 WH(44)=35,9 CL(67)=17,50 ==================================================== CLEVELAND 1ST -M Lawton singled to right. 10 -O Vizquel walked, M Lawton to second.7 -J Gerut flied out to left, M Lawton to third.2 JG=19 CHICAGO SOX 1ST -J Uribe reached on infield single to shortstop.10 -J Uribe stole second.10 -M Ordonez homered to left, J Uribe scored. 65,4 -F Thomas homered to left center.50 -P Konerko homered to left.50 -J Crede singled to right center.10 JU=24 MO=65 FT=50 PK=50 JC=10 CLEVELAND 2ND -T Hafner walked.5 -V Martinez singled to left, T Hafner to second. 15 -R Belliard singled to right, T Hafner to third, V Martinez to second.20 -B Broussard hit by pitch, T Hafner scored, V Martinez to third, R Belliard to second. 11 JG=51 CHICAGO SOX 2ND -J Uribe singled to center.10 JU=10 CLEVELAND 3RD -T Hafner doubled to deep center.20 JG=20 CHICAGO SOX 3RD CLEVELAND 4TH -B Broussard singled to left. 10 -A Escobar doubled to left, B Broussard to third. 40 -M Lawton grounded out to second, B Broussard scored, A Escobar to third. 9 -O Vizquel singled to right center, A Escobar scored.20 -O Vizquel stole second. 10 JG=89 CHICAGO SOX 4TH -J Crede singled to right center. 10 -M Olivo grounded into fielder's choice to shortstop, J Crede out at second. 5 -M Olivo stole second. 10 -W Harris doubled to deep right, M Olivo scored. 35,4 JC=10 MO=19 WH=35 CLEVELAND 5TH JG=0 CHICAGO SOX 5TH -F Thomas singled to left. 10 -C Lee singled to left, F Thomas to second. 15,2 -J Crede singled to center, F Thomas scored, C Lee to second. 30,4,2 FT=16 JC=30 CL=17 CLEVELAND 6TH JG=0 CHICAGO SOX 6TH -M Olivo singled to right. 10 -M Olivo to second on wild pitch by K Tadano. 5 -J Uribe walked.5 -M Ordonez flied out to left, M Olivo to third. 2,2 MOL=17 JU=5 MO=2 CLEVELAND 7TH -O Vizquel singled to right. 10 JG=10 -N Cotts relieved J Garland. -O Vizquel to second on wild pitch by N Cotts. 10 -O Vizquel stole third. 10 NC=20 CHICAGO SOX 7TH -C Lee homered to left. 50 -P Konerko doubled to deep right. 20 -J Crede grounded into fielder's choice to shortstop, P Konerko out at third. 5 CL=50 PK=20 JC=5 CLEVELAND 8TH -C Politte relieved N Cotts. -V Martinez homered to right. 50 -R Belliard singled to right. 10 -A Escobar walked, R Belliard to second. 7 CP=67 -D Marte relieved C Politte. -M Lawton walked, R Belliard to third, A Escobar to second. 9 -O Vizquel hit sacrifice fly to left, R Belliard scored. 10 DM=19 CHICAGO SOX 8TH -J Uribe singled to right. 10 JU=10 CLEVELAND 9TH -B Koch relieved D Marte. -C Blake hit by pitch. 5 -T Hafner grounded out to second, C Blake to second. 2 -C Blake to third on wild pitch by B Koch. 5 -V Martinez intentionally walked. 5 -B Koch relieved D Marte. -Top of the 9th inning -C Blake hit by pitch. 5 -T Hafner grounded out to second, C Blake to second. 7 -C Blake to third on wild pitch by B Koch. 10 -V Martinez intentionally walked. 5 -R Belliard walked, V Martinez to second. 7 BK=34 CHICAGO SOX 9TH CLEVELAND 10TH -J Adkins relieved B Koch. -O Vizquel reached on infield single to shortstop. 10 -J Gerut singled to center, O Vizquel to second. 20 -C Blake doubled to deep left, O Vizquel scored, J Gerut to third. 65 -T Hafner intentionally walked. 5 -T Laker walked, J Gerut scored, C Blake to third, T Hafner to second. 9 -R Belliard singled to center, C Blake scored, T Hafner to third, T Laker to second, T Hafner scored on throwing error by center fielder A Rowand. 29 JA=138 CHICAGO SOX 10TH -M Olivo walked. 5 -W Harris walked, M Olivo to second. 7,2 -M Ordonez reached on infield single to third, M Olivo to third, W Harris to second. 20,2,2 MOL=9 WH=9 MO=20

Bf, 4/27 is an even a closer call. I moved this post to where it's after 4/28. At least now the CLE games are back to back posts. Any ways here's my detailed explanation of why Marte over Cotts. In general I don't penalize pitches for situations beyond their control. I feel a WP is worse than a W because all RONs move when it happens. Likewise when a pitcher doesn't hold a runner on 2B that's worse than a SF. Normally the difficulty of stealing 3B warrants 15 pts, but I felt Neil was only 2/3rds to blame so I only charged him 10. CLEVELAND 7TH -O Vizquel singled to right. 10 JG=10 -N Cotts relieved J Garland. -O Vizquel to second on wild pitch by N Cotts. 10 -O Vizquel stole third. 10 NC=20 CLEVELAND 8TH -C Politte relieved N Cotts. -V Martinez homered to right. 50 -R Belliard singled to right. 10 -A Escobar walked, R Belliard to second. 7 CP=67 -D Marte relieved C Politte. -M Lawton walked, R Belliard to third, A Escobar to second. 9 -O Vizquel hit sacrifice fly to left, R Belliard scored. 10 DM=19 Cotts inherited RON 1, gave up a WP, & SB to 3rd. Then he got 3 outs. Marte inherited RON 1,2 gave up a W & SF. Then he got 2 more outs. Because there situations are different you have to make a theoretical judgement call. It is more likely that Cotts gives up a run in a RON 1,2 0 outs with his WP & SB combo then it is for Marte to give up a run in a RON 1, 0 outs with his W & FO combo.