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Right! Which keeps Matsui's ab alive!

What an idiot Godzilla is! That's a good thing for us. He had any easy base hit but he was too lazy to run until it was too late. Not good. The media writers there won't be happy about that.

Don't throw garbage at me, but novacaine is a F'g kick-arse drug! If that's really what it feels like then those spiders better get the F out of there soon! I can see the minds of eager soldiers & capitalists alike seeing the green from those 8 legged freaks!

It's very bad news. What it means is that unless Kenny can get it done before the trade deadline, he's GAWN. You can NEVER win a biddng war with NY & the reference to Guerrero is just that.

That really throws a LOT of weight towards Heinlein's Starship Troopers! Dang it. I've got the itches now

Oh crap! Now some terrorist is going to get the idea to round these things up & import them to America! Just like the Asian Long Horned Beetle! Better keep my grill lighter & aerosol spray handy! Where's the ORKIN man?

Seriously, I have mixed feelings for the war. I pray daily that every soldier takes excellent care of their arms & that God does his part to prevent malfunctions/jamming. But I'm not the die-hard capitalist I once was. I realize that our presence their is more about dollars than freedom. The power brokers behind the capitalist engine are not nationalists. They don't have a signature of any one nation. In fact they probably are citizens of many nations. I very well imagine that while the French govt condemns the war, there are much more powerful capitalists in that country in favor of it. Today's capitalistic engine runs heavy on OIL. I was never for/against it, I'm glad it brought Libya to the table on disarming her WMD's, but I realize that now that we are there America is a little bit safer & we absolutely have to see this thing through. So for those of you who do have relatives over there as I do there are many causes that they are fighting for: 1) The end of the regime has ended the torture of those who opposed Saddam. For ever American who has died in the war his efforts have probably saved another 1000 from being tortured. 2) Building a new nation. These people were starving under Saddam's regime. Education was practically non-existant. Jobs were driven by Saddam's regime. Now America is building them schools, furnishing them text books, & feeding the hungry. America is moving as quickly as possible to help them transition to a state where they can both protect & serve to defend their new way of life. What's more is that they are doing it in such a way that organized crime is having a hard time growing there. This is in stark contrast to what has happened in Russia. 3) Without question they are helping to keep America safe. Dividing the resources of terrorists between Iraq & America makes America safer. 4) Regardless of whether you were for/against the Iraq war it would be unconsciencable to abandon them now. We have a duty to protect the lives of the many millions of Iraqi's that believe in us there. How can you really expect the soldiers that have lived their lives with these people for all these many months to simply abandon them? I don't think you can imagine the sense of family that must be feeling with these people. They are not just fighting a war. They are building schools, teaching in those schools, & helping the everyday lives of Iraqi. I imagine there are many who in a real sense have adopted some Iraqi children in this effort. Mentoring them as I write this. That is not something you can just get up & leave. 5) Every soldier serving in Iraq today is a symbol of peace & prosperity not just for the Iraqi people but the world. If America succeeds in their endeavor there the world will take notice & listen. It may be hard to imagine but let's say in 2010 the per capita income in Iraq is raised to say $5000.00. That will be better than 2 times what it ever was under Saddam. This is a real & obtainable goal. Communist regimes can hide information all they want but they can't hide economic data in a world economy. An economically strong Iraq means a major victory for the American way of life. It will symbolize the strength of American ideals & virtues more so than any diplomatic resolution could ever dream of. Common people all over the world we'll see what happened in Iraq & believe in America like never before.

What EXACTLY does FAST REPLY do? As for the rest of you go shopping for a sense of humor! Sheesh! It's a message board . Most people who have any history of me know that from time to time I get in SMACK moods & it just takes a topic of interest to set me off. I realize this makes it difficult to discern SMACK from serious points but I think if you use your brain you can figure it out. For your information I was in ROTC. Did my basic, served my time & that's it for me. I learned enough in that time to validate some assertions I experienced in ROTC. That is that I have better chance of killing the enemy or staying alive with a gun of my own than a US military issued one. The quality assurance involved in our military hardware is piss-poor to say the least. When it doesn't work like it should in combat exercises how the F am I to have confidence in it on the battle field? I hate the lose & sometimes that was the reason. That experience soured me probably for life on the US military. I believe no dollar should be spared to insure that every private to 4 star general should have the highest quality assured equipment available. I don't know why given our present state of science & tech that the military continues to have DOUBLE DIGIT defect rates! This tells me that no matter what legislation is pass the capitalistic side of arms production & deal making in the Pentagon will always result in corners being cut. ==================================================== Please spare me your sympathy towards the Iraqi terrorists that fire upon coalition troops from mosques. That has to be the most narrow-minded viewpoint one can take. The WAR is about securing the safety of oil supplies. You may not like that & you may not think it's fair, but the GLOBAL economy runs on OIL. We can ill-afford a Saddam to threaten the regions production any more. I noticed how none of your DOVES commented on Libya coming forward with their WMD programs. That's probably because you have nothing to debate on this subject. It's a direct result of our sweeping victory in Iraq & that's pretty much indisputable. As is the state of preparedness Libya had in terms of using these WMD's. Reading is fundamental but you have to be open-minded to read it ALL. Since you have so much sympathy for the Iraqi loyalists to Saddam (Shiites no doubt) where was your sympathy when Saddam was loading Kurds & other rebels feet first into large plastic shredder machines? This was documented on ABC news at the time the story broke. The estimations are that since GW 1, Saddam had tortured/killed some 200-300 thousand Kurdish rebels or just rebels in general. Where was your sympathy for their lives? It was wrong to have not backed the Kurds in GW 1. But that was a decision not made by the US but rather the Coalition & the UN. They set the parameters in that war. This was a huge mistake & cost us more American lives in 2003-4. This is yet another example of why I don't trust the UN to decide the fate of Americans. There is no love lost between the power brokers of the UN (the European Union) & America. In my opinion the voting structure of the newly formed EU is like a gang running the UN. Each nation in the EU still gets a single vote but now they are more likely to be united in that vote. In my opinion to even the score America should have equal representation from her 50 states. CA is larger than most nations in the EU! ==================================================== WAR is a horrible tragedy, but sometimes it is necc. Stop ignoring the history of the people that America is fighting. We were public enemy #1 to those people before the war so nothing has really changed. If you don't like it so much than you should campaign against the main catalyst: capitalism. Because it's impossible to have one without the other. If you don't understand why take some history courses.

Ticketmaster is not setup to sell those seats. So I think they are open on a fcfs basis for any one who buys a lower deck ticket.

It's very doubtful that I-ROD, White, & Munson can keep this up. White's OPS is +700 pts higher than his career right now. No way will that remain. Munson's OPS is 300 pts higher ... I-ROD's OPS is 200 pts higher ... There's no way these 3 guys will hit like they are now all year long. When the runs get scarce the losing will be back.

Their next 2 game: They face Radke & Santana at home. Johnson & Momo have pitched good so far, but now will see what they do w little run support.

Half of all Tiger TB's are coming from White, I-Rod, & Munson. The startiing pitching has looked fair at best. The bullpen is playing over it's head. White, I-Rod have a history of injuries resulting in down time for about 1 month. Munson is very young & prone to streaks. I doubt very much that they can continue to ride the backs of these 3 for wins.

APR 5 @ KC CHICAGO SOX 2ND -Top of the 2nd inning -F Thomas singled to left. 1 -C Lee singled to left, F Thomas to second. 1.5, .5 -P Konerko doubled to deep right center, F Thomas and C Lee scored. 2+2.5, 1, 1.5 -A Rowand grounded out to second, P Konerko to third. .5, .5 -S Alomar Jr homered to left, P Konerko scored. 4+.5 FT 2.5 CL = 3 PK = 5.5 AR = .5 SA = 4.5 KANSAS CITY 2ND -Bottom of the 2nd inning -J Gonzalez singled to center. 1 -K Harvey reached on infield single to pitcher, J Gonzalez to third, K Harvey to second on error by pitcher M Buehrle. 1.5, 1 -B Santiago grounded into fielder's choice to shortstop, J Gonzalez scored, K Harvey out at second. .5, .5 MB = 4 KANSAS CITY 3RD -Bottom of the 3rd inning -D Relaford singled to left. 1 MB = 1 CHICAGO SOX 4TH -Top of the 4th inning -C Lee homered to left center. 4 -P Konerko singled to center. 1 CL = 4 PK = 1 KANSAS CITY 4TH -J Gonzalez singled to center. 1 MB = 1 CHICAGO SOX 5TH -Top of the 5th inning -S Alomar Jr singled to center. 1 -W Harris sacrificed to catcher, S Alomar Jr to second. .5, .5 SA = 1 WH = .5 KANSAS CITY 5TH -Bottom of the 5th inning -B Santiago homered to center. 4 -T Graffanino walked. .5 MB = 4.5 CHICAGO SOX 6TH -F Thomas walked. .5 FT = .5 KANSAS CITY 6TH -C Beltran singled to center. 1 MB = 1 CHICAGO SOX 7TH -Top of the 7th inning -A Rowand singled to left. 1 -S Alomar Jr singled to right center, A Rowand to third. 1+1, 1 -J Valentin doubled to deep right, A Rowand scored. 2+1, 1 -M Ordonez singled to left, J Valentin scored. 1+1, 1 AR = 3 SA = 2 JV = 4 MO = 2 KANSAS CITY 7TH -Bottom of the 7th inning -J Randa reached on infield single to shortstop. 1 -K Harvey grounded out to second, J Randa to second. .5, .5 -A Guiel singled to center, J Randa scored. 1+1, 1 MB = 5 CHICAGO SOX 8TH -P Konerko singled to left center. 1 -P Konerko stole second. 1 PK = 2 KANSAS CITY 8TH -M Sweeney doubled to deep right center. 2 CP = 2 KANSAS CITY 9TH -Bottom of the 9th inning -J Randa walked. .5 -J Randa to second on passed ball by S Alomar Jr. .5 -K Harvey walked. .5 -B Koch relieved C Politte. -B Santiago doubled to deep left, J Randa scored, K Harvey to third. 2+1+1 -A Guiel struck out swinging. -M Stairs hit for T Graffanino. -D Marte relieved B Koch. -M Lopez hit for M Stairs. -M Lopez homered to center, K Harvey and B Santiago scored. 4+1.5 -A Berroa singled to left. 1 -C Beltran homered to left, A Berroa scored. 4+1.5 CP = 1.5 BK = 4 DM = 12 TOTALS FT = 2.5+.5=3 CL = 3+4=7 PK = 5.5+1+2=8.5 AR = .5+3=3.5 SA = 4.5+1+2=7.5 MB = 4+1+1+4.5+1+5= 16.5/6.3 = about 2.5 WH = .5 JV = 4 MO = 2 CP = 2+1.5=3.5/1.6 = about 2.1 BK = 4/.3 = about 12 DM = 12 = about 48 Arm of the game: MB If a starter is within a point of relief pitcher he get's the nod. Bat of the game: PK Player of the game: MB

I gave him 2 pts & w/out question he won glove of the day honors. I do factor the glove pts towards player of the game honors. Olivo finished with 8,5 to Maggs 11. But no one was going to steal this away for JG. You still have to give him credit for 1 er, 8 in & even in the 4th with Olivo's pick JG still had to come up with outs when bases where loaded. That's pretty big. Joe's getting some credit too. A key play in the 4th as well.

APR 9 @ NYY CHICAGO SOX 1ST -W Harris singled to right. 1 -W Harris stole second. 1 -M Ordonez grounded out to shortstop, W Harris to third. .5, .5 WH=2.5 MO=.5 JG=0 CHICAGO SOX 2ND -P Konerko doubled to deep center. 2 -T Perez singled to left center, P Konerko to third. 1+.5, .5 PK=2.5 TP=1.5 NY YANKEES 2ND -G Sheffield doubled to deep left. 2 -H Matsui singled to center, G Sheffield scored. 1+1, 1 -E Wilson walked, H Matsui to second. .5, .5 JG=6 CHICAGO SOX 3RD -M Ordonez walked. .5 MO=.5 NY YANKEES 3RD -D Jeter singled to right center. 1 -J Giambi walked, D Jeter to second. .5, .5 JG=2 NY YANKEES 4TH -Bottom of the 4th inning -H Matsui walked. .5 -B Williams walked, H Matsui to second. .5, .5 Matsui picked off by MOl -E Wilson walked, B Williams to second. .5, .5 -K Lofton walked, B Williams to third, E Wilson to second. .5, .5, .5 JG=4 MOl.glove=2 JC.glove=2 (Failure to make the play is probably 2 runs scored) Joe Crede also homered for the White Sox and made a key play at third base. After he nipped Derek Jeter with the bases loaded to end the fourth, the White Sox scored nine runs in the next two innings. CHICAGO SOX 5TH -T Perez singled to center. 1 -T Perez stole second. 1 -T Perez to third on wild pitch by J Contreras. .5 -M Olivo walked. .5 -M Olivo stole second. 1 -W Harris hit sacrifice fly to right, T Perez scored. .5, .5 -J Valentin walked. .5 -M Ordonez homered to left, M Olivo and J Valentin scored. 4+1+1.5, 1, 1.5 TP=3 MOl=2.5 JV=2 MO=6.5 NY YANKEES 5TH -A Rodriguez walked. .5 -J Giambi grounded into fielder's choice to second, A Rodriguez out at second. .5 JG=1 CHICAGO SOX 6TH -Top of the 6th inning -J Crede homered to center. 4 -T Perez walked. .5 -M Olivo doubled to center, T Perez to third. 2+1, 1 -W Harris grounded into fielder's choice to shortstop, T Perez and M Olivo scored, W Harris safe at second on error by catcher J Flaherty. .5, 1, 1+.5+1 -J Valentin walked. .5 -M Ordonez singled to right center, W Harris and J Valentin scored. 1+1+1.5, 1, 1.5 JC=4 TP=2 MOl=4 WH=2.5 JV=2 MO=3.5 NY YANKEES 6TH JG=0 NY YANKEES 7TH JG=1 CHICAGO SOX 8TH -J Valentin singled to right. 1 JV=1 NY YANKEES 8TH JG=0 CHICAGO SOX 9TH -P Konerko singled to center. 1 PK=1 NY YANKEES 9TH -S Takatsu relieved J Garland. -H Matsui doubled to deep right. 2 B Crosby homered to right, H Matsui scored. 4+1, 1 ST=8 ============================================= Bat of the game: Maggs WH=2.5+2.5 MO=.5+.5+6.5+3.5 PK=2.5 JV=2+2+1 JC=4 TP=1.5+3+2 MOl=2.5+4 Arm of the game: Garland JG=0+6+2+4+1+0+1+0 ST=8 Glove of the game: Olivo MOl.glove=2 (1 on out, .5 for prevention to 3rd, .5 for prevention to home) JC.glove=2 (I'm giving the nod to Olivo because his play prevents a score from walks, but Crede deserves equal credit for his play at 3rd to end the 4th). I'm trying to make this as objective as possible. Because of all the walks the pick-off has a domino effect. The out equals 1 for .5 (existing runner removed) & .5 for one less batter faced. The .5 is gained by the next walk Jon issued, & the final .5 is gained by the next walk Jon issued. Player of the game: Garland JG=0+6+2+4+1+0+1+0=14/8 = 1.6 MO=11 MOl=8.5 I know Hawk picked Maggs over Garland for PotG, but I just think 1 er / 8 in is so rare for the SOX that Jon deserves it.

I agree it's WAY TOOOOOOOOOOOO EARLY to give up on Mr. Zero. That Mr. Zero was NEVER about the regular season. It's about the POST SEASON! I've got faith he'll figure it out & be a great bullpen addition.

He reminds me of a LH Parque (after he lost his fast ball).

Hawk's dead on that Manuel would have yanked him. BRANDO are you listening? I gave Olivo some glove points for the pickoff. He finished a close 3rd to Garland & Maggs for Player of the Game honors. Price of each walk: 1 base Price of all walks : 7 bases Price of catcher with a cannon : PRICELESS

GARLAND ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOCKKKKKKKKKKKKKSSSSSSSSS !!!!!! Awesome! I knew we'd pound Ozborne, but Garland ..1 run? WORLD SERIES BABY!!!!!!!!

Now now let's not get extreme here. The UN does serve a purpose. It creates the fantasy that nations with little real wealth have a say against the G7 bad boys. Without the UN, they have only the IMF, World Bank, & WTO to create that fantasy force them. But only the UN has any military resources. So it's a pretty big part of the fantasy. I think it's important in that regards. But it should be restructed in terms of voting power. There should be 2 houses: 1) The World Senate : every nation gets 2 senators 2) The World House : 435 total representatives divided in accordance to each nations wealth. Needless to say the USA would be the CA of the World House. A vote can now pass by either 2/3rds in either the House or the Senate or by majority in both the Senate & the House. This should apply for the IMF, World Bank, & WTO as well. Any world organization would be better off following our lead. What could be better than to pattern the world off the greatest system on the planet?

The per capita income in Iraq is $610. It's expected to jump to $810 by yr's end. Before the war it was about $2000. The per capita income in the US is $37,555.00. WTF doesn't want the US life style? It's our God given destiny to Americanize the world. We just prefer to use the dollar instead of the gun, but we'll do it whichever way you prefer. Now if you want to say not everybody want's capitalism, well .. it's the GLOBAL economy now & well that includes everybody. Sorry but capitalism is the only game on the planet now. Dissidents not allowed.

Crud. I wanted to keep a running tally at the top of the thread but you can't modify polls & we don't have tables or charts.

Who else are you going to put there? You've got to put your faster starter at #1. It's an unwritten rule. So that's either Miguel Olivo or Wille Harris. Pick one. You've got to put your 2nd fastest starter at #2. It's an unwritten rule. So that's either Jose Valentin or Aaron Rowand. Pick one. My picks: Miguel Olivo Aaron Rowand

That's a deal! You have to let me get in their face when they aren't pulling their weight! WILLIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brando, I am appointing you as the game situation guy. All you have to do is post a message indicating all the super-sized game situations that you feel are worthy of more points. I'll take it into consideration the next time I do this. But for now the first 3 GAMES are HISTORY. I am not going to RE-EVALUATE THEM AGAIN! I'll just try to consider your points of view moving forward. Likewise, I expect the SOX to dump the dead weight based on the results at the end of the year. I'm sick & tired of excuses. If Willie is dead last after 2 months get rid of him! That goes for any body!