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Congrats on getting his numbers right guys, you get NOTHING

QUOTE (glangon @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 08:28 AM) Seconded. I don't think either of these players have what Hahn would be looking for to improve the team. Trumbo possibly would have been if we hadn't just signed Abreu. Bourjous, no thanks, too many downsides and I don't think he is any better than Jordan Danks that we already have. Peter Bourjos is about two to three times the player that Jordan Danks is. Peter Bourjos is a guy you talk about as a potential multiple gold glover and a 10/40 or 20/40 guy. Jordan Danks is a AAAA or bench player. Peter Bourjos's ceiling is probably a .300/.350/.475/.825 type season, while his low is probably .250/.300/.375/.675, all the while contributing great base running and incredible defense. Danks' ceiling is probably .250/.325/.475/.800, his floor .225/.275/.325 without the stolen bases and gold glove defense. Here's a simple test...would you trade Jordan Danks for Peter Bourjos? Answer is an obvious yes. If you had him, would you trade Bourjos for Danks? That is really an obvious no.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 25, 2013 -> 09:32 PM) 106 and 0. Lie

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 09:33 PM) Although the majority of his gold gloves were earned in RF, his sporadic time in CF have yielded very good results as well, just as good as Bourjos'. Plus....I'm not sure Bourjos can throw like this.... http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-leag...-160339569.html Or this... http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=15852977&topic_id=0 or make crazy stops like this... http://blogs.thescore.com/mlb/2013/06/11/v...parra-did-what/ OK, now you're taking your obsession too far because literally anything Parra can do, Bourjos can do better. There's no point in watching the videos.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFan05 @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 06:43 PM) I watched it before they left. It was fun to see Cowherd bash the Sox/Bulls/Bears/Blackhawks every day. No, not even close to fun. There is nothing that Colin Cowherd could do that I would watch or listen to and think "man, this is fun."

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 04:39 PM) 11 to 4 BB to K ratio in the Fall League thus far (including today's game). Small sample, but encouraging. Seriously, you almost wonder if he wasn't hurt this year. Maybe he received some coaching down there that completely turned his game around. Who knows what the hell is going on

QUOTE (ChiSoxFan05 @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 04:51 PM) If we were to sign another big name then SportsNation will start referring to us as the Heat of the MLB. (Signing LBJ, Bosh) No they would not. They would have to spend about $500 million this offseason and bring in every free agent. If they are going to refer to a team as "the Heat of the MLB," it's the Dodgers.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 04:02 PM) Take it easy, chief. Stop talking for awhile. Well I think they are planning on multiple titles, but the first one is going to be so, so sweet

I can't wait to win a World Series with this guy

If Konerko signed a 2 year deal, he'd already going back on his word about 2014 being his last year regardless of what happens. I don't think he's going to get a contract offer from anyone and he will be a roving instructor and ambassador in Sox camp in Arizona.

That picture is awesome. Also, he does not look fat or out of shape at all. He looks big and muscular.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 01:46 PM) The biggest difference is instead of having the best player on the planet, the Bulls are now chasing the team with the best player on the planet. That Pistons team had a 27 year old Joe Dumars, a 29 year old Isiah Thomas, a 29 year old Dennis Rodman, a 31 year old Mark Aguirre, and a 33 year old Bill Laimbeer (among others). The Heat have a 29 year old LeBron, a 29 year old Bosh, and a 32 year old Wade (let alone the age of guys like Allen, Anderson, and Battier). Cole, Chalmers, Beasley, and Oden (allegedly) are the only other players on their roster under the age of 30. You are going to try and convince me that that team isn't getting old? Your Nets are even older than that. It would be nice if Thibs would limit their minutes over the course of the season, but the only players OVER the age of 30 on the Bulls are Carlos Boozer, Mike Dunleavy, Kirk Hinrich, Mike James, and Nazr Mohammad. Other than Booz, you aren't counting on any of those guys for more than 15-20 minutes a night, and that's in the most extreme of circumstances.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 01:21 PM) You know who I'd rather have over Peter Bourjos? Gerardo Parra. http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...sition=OF#value http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...sition=OF#value I gotta be honest, I don't think Arizona would trade him for anything short or Quintana or Santiago+. I never thought much of him but he's turned into a pretty solid player and he absolutely should be a gold glove winner this year.

Greg 4 manager

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 12:05 PM) De Aza over Viciedo doesn't make a lot of sense to me either. It's tough to have a discussion about De Aza with stat guys. He grades well, but doesn't pass the eye test at all. I'm not saying Viciedo does, but Dayan has age and potential on his side. I don't believe De Aza is a good defender in CF, regardless of what the numbers say. He looks tenative and scared out there. In LF, he looks way, way more comfortable, and his weak arm plays better out there too. Frankly, in the even that you did bring in Bourjos, you could hypothetically split Viciedo, Dunn, and De Aza 120 games each which would be good for all 3 of them.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 11:49 AM) Keith Bogans is terrible. I get that. ANYBODY would've been an upgrade. Jimmy Butler is just not that good that the Bulls are going to go from getting waxed in 5 games to beating the Heat now. And Carlos Boozer is still here. That alone kills everything. I generally agree with you because the Heat are f'ing ridiculous. Still, if Rose can legitimately hit from long range and Butler (and the rest of the team) can keep it up, it's going to be a lot more difficult to guard the Bulls. It will all depend on health though too. I think Miami would win a 7 game series about 75% of the time against the Bulls. Upgrade it to 80% if it makes you feel better. I just don't think you would be able to say, absolutely, that the Heat would win.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 11:47 AM) Guys. Let's focus on and live in the now. Bulls @ Heat tonight. #TheReturn will be official. Will the Champs be distracted by their rings? Will D-Rose get nasty? Who ya got? I have Bulls by 5 with Derrick having a pretty rough night from the floor but making up for it by getting to the line and hitting a couple threes. I see Taj as having a nice game, too. I think the only reason the Bulls are going to win tonight is because of Jimmy Butler. Butler is going to put up 45/6/9/4/6 with 80% from the field and 60% from 3 land

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 11:35 AM) No, when multiple people are saying the Bulls are now equipped to beat the Heat because of Jimmy Butler, yes, that's ridiculous hype. Except that you are leaving out details and taking things out of context. Let's try this again "people are saying the Bulls are now equipped to beat the Heat because of Jimmy Butler DERRICK ROSE AND THE UPGRADE TO BUTLER FROM BOGANS AND BREWER WILL HELP MAKE THEM MORE DANGEROUS"

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 11:37 AM) Hahn already said he will be emphasizing offense this winter. I don't think defense is going to play a huge roll in his acquisitions. I think he thinks it will get better just by getting back to the mean, which could be true. Many couldn't have been worse in 2013. I think there will be a lot of guys who do improve offensively. I just think that, by adding Bourjos, you are adding up to 2 wins defensively in CF (20 win shares, top 2-5 defender in the majors) plus you are adding up to 2 wins defensively in LF with De Aza out there too. The problem, of course, is that Viciedo is then the odd man out. I like the idea of Bourjob, but I do agree that I don't know if that's the direction the Sox go in.

QUOTE (GoGoSox2k2 @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 11:37 AM) this was a joke right. he did not actually say this? Yes it was a joke

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 11:34 AM) Then why would you post what you posted in post #144? A reliever offers a completely different look from the starter. Stuff matters, but it affects the timing of the hitter. Good stuff can always get out good hitting, but there are times good stuff plus different timing will get good hitting more often.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 11:33 AM) I wouldn't do Santiago for Bourjos straight up like some suggest here but I'd have to think about Bourjos and Yarbrough, I still might not even do that....Maybe I'm not putting enough emphasis on defense but Bourjos doesn't really excite me at all, not for Santiago anyway....For Rienzo and some mid level guys? Ya, sure. Bourjos might legitimately be the best defensive outfielder in the game. We are talking about a guy who could be a comparable player to Carlos Gomez, only way easier to acquire.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 11:25 AM) Not in general. Ramirez and Beckham went from legit power threats to slap hitters. Ramirez is interesting because he still hit a ton of doubles. I think Ramirez got old and started actively trying to hit singles. Beckham I think did some of the same plus the wrist injury sapped power. That's my best guess anyways.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 11:18 AM) I'm all for adding power, but not with Trumbo. It needs to be added consistently throughout the line up. Abreu is a good start replacing Konerko. I'd like to know why the middle infielders went from producing 30 home runs to 10. You mean, like, in general? I think it's pretty obvious that PEDs were banned from the game and a short while later offense stopped hitting

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Oct 29, 2013 -> 11:18 AM) He was actually saying he goes up to plate and doesn't think HR but will do whatever the teams needs at the moment. At any given moment, the team could use a home run