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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 09:03 PM) You would think entering his 10th season on the job, KW would want the Angels to want to be like the White Sox not the other way around. Or at the very least, he'd want to mold his team after what the Angels have done successfully and not what in an area where they've been bad.

QUOTE (JDsDirtySox @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 09:05 PM) Thome coming back is now up to 50/50. http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2010/01..._the_sox_s.html there is a God

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 08:00 PM) Kenny said their DH by committee is something the Angels have been doing the last couple of years. How convenient. Their DH's put up a .767 OPS in 2008, a .706 OPS in 2007, .694 in 2005, .728 in 2004, and .751 in 2003. In 2009, they put up .817 with Vlad playing in 93 games as a DH. Looks like a committee to me. In 2006, they put up .850 with Tim Salmon (.816) playing 53 games, Garrett Anderson (.756) playing 45 games, and Vlad (.934) playing in 30 games. In 2002, they put up .842 with Brad Fullmer (.888) playing in 90 games while Tim Salmon (.883) and Shawn Wooten (.773) combined to play 39 games. On top of that, Scoscia is like twice the manager that Guillen is.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 06:00 PM) According to latest twitter feeds there was some Greg Walker bashing, Ozzie defending him. Kenny said "there is always one more move to made" Lots of a**-kissing everywhere. Which is code for "We are not going to make another move."

QUOTE (PeavyTime @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 06:38 PM) Are you making the case for me or you?? That pretty much sums up everything I've said. QUOTE (PeavyTime @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 06:40 PM) Again, this is my argument. They didn't win because the pitching staff was garbage. Are you on my side? OK, f*** this, here it is. The 2010 White Sox have a good pitching staff. They have, what appears to be, the best rotation in the AL Central. The bullpen is shaky, but relievers are volatile from year to year, and the potential is there for the 2010 bullpen to be very, very good. The offense, as currently constructed, will be lucky to 750 runs, and it's more likely they end up around 700 runs scored. For example's sake, I'll quickly project optimistic OPS's for the members of the lineup if absolutely everything goes right... Pierzynski - .750 Konerko - .850 Beckham - .850 Ramirez - .775 Teahen - .775 Pierre - .725 Rios - .800 Quentin - .900 Jones/Kotsay - .775 This means Pierzynsi hits around .300, Konerko repeats last season, Beckham progresses like normal, Ramirez hits for power again, Teahen actually produces, Pierre finds his doubles power, Rios hits for average, Quentin remains healthy, hits for power, and hits for a good average (and his career BABIP of .258 proves to be a mirage), Kotsay puts up his career average, and Jones proves that last year wasn't a fluke and that his 2007 and 2008 seasons were. But, if the Sox could move Jones and Kotsay to the bench while still getting about 200-300 plate appearances each (due to injury, slumps, and regular substituting), they can still be very useful members of the club, and the Sox can bring in another good hitter into the fold and the offense can go from a point of weakness to a point of strength with the amount of depth it has. All by the addition of one more hitter. The Twins offense, especially if the sign Thome, will likely end up scoring around 850 runs. It was strong before, and any contribution Thome gives them - even if he hits .230 (because he walks and hits for enough power that his average is virtually meaningless unless he's hitting about .200) - will add to that strength. The pitching is there, and they need one more hitter. If they get that hitter, I will be satisfied, but I strongly doubt it will happen.

QUOTE (PeavyTime @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 06:27 PM) The White Sox won the world series because of incredible pitching which included a ridiculous 2.55 ERA in the postseason. They Sox then hit 236 homers in '06. 36 more than when they won it all. They must have won it all again right? They didn't? What was different? Oh yeah, their pitching SUCKED! Because a lot of guys reverted to their career norms or worse, and they felt the burden of pitching deep into the season the previous year. The 2005 White Sox have 4 starters with a season ERA under 4. The 2006 White Sox DIDN'T have ONE starter with an ERA under 4. The big 4 from the previous season returned, and they brought in Javier Vazquez to be the 5th starter (and he was an adequate 5th starter, even if more was expected from him). They didn't neglect the pitching staff.

QUOTE (PeavyTime @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 06:09 PM) You are proving my point buddy. Teams who sign these "big boppers" and neglect the pitching staff don't win squat. Home run and OPS numbers of the past 10 World Series champions 2000 Yankees - 205, .804 2001 Diamondbacks - 208, .783 2002 Angels - 152, .773 2003 Marlins - 157, .754 2004 Red Sox - 222, .832 2005 White Sox - 200, .747 2006 Cardinals - 184, .769 2007 Red Sox - 166, .806 2008 Phillies - 214, .770 2009 Yankees - 244, .839 Teams who sign these "big boppers" win World Series titles. The team average for home runs in a season was 195, the average OPS was .788, only 4 teams in the past 10 years hit fewer than 200 homers (and 184 isn't bad), and only 2 had a team OPS below .769. The White Sox actually had the worst offense of any team to win the World Series in the last 10 years, and not only did they have one of the best pitching staffs within the team's past 25 years, they also had one of the most impressive postseason pitching performances in recent postseason history. They are also one of only like 2 teams to ever go 11-1 in the postseason too. I think you can take your straw man argument somewhere else.

QUOTE (PeavyTime @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 05:56 PM) You're right. Forgetting McGwire was on the A's 20 years ago shows how little I know. Yeah, OK. Maybe the Sox should resign Darin Erstad and Timo Perez too because they won a World Series. And s***, I'd probably be better than Thome too because I'm 16 years younger than him. I'd be twice the player he is.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 01:20 PM) Who gets the extra-spot on the bench? I'd bet you that unless Retherford hits hiss ass off in spring, it would be Lillibridge. Does that sound worth losing a spot in the pen for? Someone that's not in the organization. Branyan, Thome, Damon...the offense needs one more good hitter period.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 05:28 PM) But they've also outdrawn the White Sox for most of the last three years, at least the last two...when the White Sox should have had a five year window of opportunity after the World Series. Unfortunately, the final two months of 2006 and the 2007 season put a halt to that momentum quickly enough. Last year was the first year the Twins outdrew the White Sox in attendance since 2003, and I would say a lot of that has to do with the White Sox raising ticket prices and the Metrodome being in its final season.

QUOTE (PeavyTime @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 02:21 PM) I stand corrected on McGwire. For some reason I just named the steroid clowns. But thank you for making my point for me in regards to pitching winning championships. You are proving your ignorance and raw lack of knowledge in regards to baseball.

I'm grasping for straws, but I hope this is an effort by Thome's agent to get the Sox to panic to get him signed.

QUOTE (b-Rye @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 01:13 PM) The way its looking, payroll and roster spot wise, Jones and Kotsay are the DH. The only way I see us getting another hitter is through a trade that involves Jenks, and we can slide Putz/Thorton into closer. Yeah no

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QUOTE (PeavyTime @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 01:06 PM) This would be the best thing ever! First the Sox wouldn't get him, thank god. Then, he would waste a roster spot for the Twins considering they have Kubel. Then, when he does play, he will only be a detriment to the team!! Make it happen baby! Becuase Mark Kotsay is, like, so much better!

A 7-man bullpen is f***ing stupid for a team with an offense this weak and a rotation this strong.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 12:32 PM) Porky's BBQ and. . . Hamm's? jizzedinmypants

1B - Morneau LF - Kubel CF - Span RF - Cuddyer DH - Thome oh, and it gets Delmon Young out of their everyday lineup and into hitting solely against lefties. It makes sense to me.

QUOTE (CryptviLL @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 09:12 AM) Victorino is nice, love watching play. Rowand-like ? Way better than Rowand.

Had Dotel been offered arbitration, Putz would have probably been signed to a similar contract and Jenks would have been non-tendered or traded far, far below his value because the White Sox would have found very few trading partners for him.

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Shane Victorino to sign a 3-year, $22 mill contract. He is easily one of my favorite players in the entire game.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Jan 21, 2010 -> 11:28 PM) In Sanders' next at bat, he told Fisk that "The days of slavery are over", and that's when the confrontation occurred. Haha, Deion Sanders is so dumb.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 21, 2010 -> 11:32 PM) I've noticed our collective rage growing over the last couple months. Mine is only growing over this stupid ass revolving DH of s***ty ass hitters. I could come up with analogies of how stupid it is all night, and I might keep you guys entertained for a while, but I don't have that kind of time. QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Jan 21, 2010 -> 11:35 PM) I think it's funny how all this stuff works. Branyan puts up those numbers in Seattle but can't find a job while Marlon Byrd puts up a .283/.329/.479 line in Texas and gets 3 years, $15M guaranteed. As a lefty with huge power who can play both corners and LF you'd think someone would be interested. You have to understand what organization it came from though too - the same organization that gave a 3-year, $21 million contract to a pitcher coming off a year with a 6 ERA, that gave a $136 mill contract to a guy coming off the only year in his entire career where he actually drew walks, that signed a malcontent to a 3-year, $36 mill contract and then dealt him the next offseason, and so on and so forth. The Cubs are a dumb organization.

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jan 21, 2010 -> 11:13 PM) I thought we wanted to get past the station to station baseball we've had the "enjoyment" of watching the last few seasons...I like Big Jim as much as the next guy but time to move on. Jim Thome's station to station baseball resulted in him scoring 93 runs and driving in 90 during 2008. Juan Pierre's 1st to 3rd approach last scored him that many runs in 2007 (when he was actually starting because the Dodgers didn't realize how bad he was), and it took him almost 130 more plate appearances, and he wasn't driving in runs. I would like people to make a better argument against Jim Thome than "we're tired of him" and "station to station baseball." The Sox currently only have 2 full-time starters I would consider slow - Pierzynski and Konerko - and 2 others who aren't going to win track meets but move well enough - Quentin and Teahen. Having a guy that can get on base and hit some homers from the left side of the plate would really do wonders for the club, and I am one of the few who actually has relatively high hopes for Teahen.