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QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Oct 2, 2007 -> 12:01 AM) And the Phils will sweep the Rockies. Even if it's just an opinion, I don't see any way that's happening. The Rockies are playing ridiculous baseball right now, they are getting (and making their own) breaks right now, and the pitching staffs have to be considered pretty equal right now. The Phillies offense is assuredly better, but it's not like the Rockies offense sucks. Personally, as much as I love them, I think way too much credit is being given to the Phillies right now.

QUOTE(SouthsideNorthsideFan @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 11:38 PM) What it shows is you wanted the Rockies to win so you're defending a blown call. It's obvious. This isn't Jorge Orta in '85 dude, that's a bang bang play, and I don't know if you can call it a blown call.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2007 @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 11:32 PM) No disrespect to felix and krush, but if that crap had happened to the Sox, I doubt you would be as understanding. It was a blown call. I'd be understanding, I'd just be pissed as hell the Sox were put into such a situation by the pitcher.

Holliday ate dirt and missed the plate JUST f***ING RUN BARRETT OVER, HES A f***ING b****

HOLLIDAY NOOOOOO

ROXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

f*** that

and whos up but Helton to win this

I actually knew that was coming. I saw that coming the second before it happened.

Bet the Brewers are happy about giving up Thatcher.

That ball was gone, and I'd bet money on it.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 08:39 PM) Will Carroll is also right, while our moron of a GM says talent isn't the problem, and will see otherwise when we go 77-85 next season due to our age, one dimensional young players, and "keeping fiscal sanity", thus avoiding making big moves on the FA market. I actually see the White Sox signing a CFer, so until that doesn't happen, I'm not buying a word you're saying. KW realizes the team is f***ed up; he just also sees a pretty solid core there. I'd rather see him blowing the s*** up, but whatever.

something about a blind squirrel and a nut

Slightly off-topic, but looking back, Buccholz, Hirsh, and Taveras for Garland would be pretty nice.

McLellan is giving a ton of calls; Peavy threw two pitches that inning that were well off the plate, and that screwed Spilborghs in his AB, because if he's calling a pitch below his knees and outside a strike, he has to swing a pitch looking like its in the exact same spot.

I definitely believe that if this game is put into Helton's hands at some point in time, the Rockies are going to win. He looks locked in right now. Hell, he almost hit that ball in the first inning out of park to center, and he looked off balance when he swung.

time for the love-making to commence

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 04:01 PM) People presume that he can't control his emotions in big games because of those two playoff performances. It's not the other way around. Show me a scouting report that had him pegged as mentally fragile before he ever made a playoff appearance. My problem is with the sample, and anyone who makes definitive assessments on the strength of such a small body of work. It's the Frank Thomas effect. Or the Barry Bonds effect.

QUOTE(soxfaninpa @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 12:54 PM) Just a little something I put together, let me know what you guys think or if I missed somebody. C- D. Lucy 1B- FA 2B- C. Getz 3B- FA SS- Andy Gonzalez RF- R. Sweeney CF- FA/ Kenny Perez LF- T. Collaro DH- FA SP- G. Gonzalez SP- J. Egbert SP. L. Broadway SP- C. Haegar SP- A. Sisco RP- O. Perez RP- C. Vasquez RP- D. Day RP- A. Russell RP- F. Hernandez Departing- C. Rogowski, B. Anderson, H. Phillips, N. Masset, J. Bourgeouis I did not include the minor league journeymen in the departing section as I am acting on the assumption most will not return. I have Bourgeouis, Phillips, and Rogowski leaving as minor league free agents, and the club finding a way to dump Massett and Anderson. These are my predictions of what I think the organization will do and not necessarily what I want to see. I personally would like to see Bourgeouis, Rogowski, and Massett retained for another year. Thoughts? I'd personally like to see what Bourgeois can do at the MLB level as a backup infielder; I like Masset's arm, but that may be an uncontrollable circumstance. The rest I really don't care about, though it'd be nice if they'd be able to trade Phillips for something, seeing as how he throws left-handed.

QUOTE(striker62704 @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 03:11 PM) Are there any other bad contracts out there besides Contreras's that we can swap? I know Burrell gets alot of hate in Philly and if they re-sign Rowand they will have a surplus of outfielders. Maybe Burrell for Contreras and we throw in $5 mil?? Would anyone here do a Garland for Frucal straight up? Both FAs after 2008. Furcal's making more, the Dodgers have a shortstop ready, and he had an absolutely terrible year last year. I'm willing to trade Garland in a deal for Furcal, but if they don't include more, they can shove it.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 03:15 PM) Exactly. When he feels OK he is just as good as he has ever been. When he's hurting, he doesn't provide much. Look at this April of 06 and his September of this year. It's obvious he was feeling great, and he just exploded. The problem I think is the fact that he's hardly ever 100% anymore; with such a violent swing, it's hard for him to stay 100% all year long. Thus, I think it's a key for next year to bring in somewhat of a platoon partner for him. Not necessarily a true platoon, because taking Thome's bat out of the lineup hurts the team quite a bit even against lefties, but getting him rest against tough lefties with a LHP masher would be very nice. I think the organization planned on that this year with Eduardo Perez, but that just didn't pan out. That should be an area the Sox look at this offseason.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 01:36 PM) The best option is to develop them yourself, but obviously the Sox didn't have what they thought they had. Signing free agents can work out. Hermanson and Politte worked out for the Sox, even if it was for one season each. Gordon was great with the Sox for a season. Marte was very good too, and he was acquired in a Spring Training trade. There's also Schoenweis, Koch (though that was more of a major move than minor), and this year's collective failure too. It just seems quite 50/50. I'm also in agreement with jackie about Aardsma. Absolutely filthy in April, blew up in May, and was in the minors essentially the rest of the year and wasn't given a shot at taking a spot back in the bullpen in September. It would have been nice to atleast see if he could end the year on a good note with the MLB club, but hopefully he's somewhat "guilted" if you will into reproving himself next year.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 12:47 PM) I disagree, it meant he can still be a productive major league player. Something I am sure was in question in June and even July. That has much more to do with health than it does his ability. If he's healthy, he's still going to be one of the best power hitters in the game.

QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 12:26 PM) I agree to a certain extent. However, you evaluate your talent based on performance from the year before as well. You can't just hope your bullpen turns it around. At the end of 2004 Cotts and Pollitte started to get a lot of guys out, that carried over to 2005. Based on this year the only guy who got alot of guys out was Jenks. Thorton started off good but started to walk alot of hitters, same as MacDougal and Bukvich and Aardsma and Massett and Sisco etc... You have to evaluate your talent from the previous year and go out and get guys to fill the remaining holes. I believe there is still two holes in the bullpen. There are holes, no doubt, but there are potential suitable replacements within the minor league system. If anything, you fill one of those holes and then let Sisco, Aardsma, MacDougal, Masset, or some other name fill that hole in the pen.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Oct 1, 2007 -> 11:26 AM) Speaking of which, I wonder how well the team did in profits, which is what makes us all happy Astros drew over 3 million people for the second year in a row. Kind of funny that they didn't get up over 3 million in 2005 when, well, you know. They lost.