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QUOTE(ARow33 @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 07:32 AM) The differnce is its A rod and we would be dealing with the boss. Chavez is obviously a better 3bb as you can see by the 4 straight gold gloves. no matter what beane says if we throw in b mac the As will deal chavey. TO futher my point the yankees dont go young they are a vetran ean and have been for a while.NAME 1 player the yankees have on there roster that has only played 2 games in the majors. The want proven players not potental. Yes but they need to upgrade half their roster. They just cannot do that by buying anymore. They need some youth.

QUOTE(ARow33 @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 07:29 AM) ANother point we must understand we are talking about the mother Fing Yankees. The boss has too much pride in himself and the yankees that hes not going to just give up and become a seller for the first time in how many years? The yankees are never out of it... If anything the boss is looking to buy like always and picking up Clemens would be just waht they need to turn the season around. i would love to deal with any of the Yanks all stars but its not happening Everything has pointed to Clemens continuing to stay in HOuston or if he was traded, the only place he would go to is the Rangers. The Spankees problems run deeper than one pitcher though. They need at least 3 pitchers (Brown is done, Wright is crap, Randy is no longer Randy and Pavano is average) and they need at least 3 BP relievers (except Flash and Rivera they have no one there). I bet you will find some of their older vets soon going to the DL once they all get overused trying to win every game. No way they buy this trade deadline. Who the hell do they have to give now to get anyone useful at the deadline?????

I have no problem if he writes about real problems with our owners or management of any Chicago sports teams. But it is clear he just hates the Sox owner + announcer and does anything and everything to keep fueling that through his articles/interviews. Be objective....geez

QUOTE(ARow33 @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 07:22 AM) Come on guys there is no way the Yankees will give up Pay-Rod they gave up too much and tried to hard to get him. If it would happen it would be unbelivable in some many ways the most important of all maing us into contenders for a long time and also help take over the city that bleeds cubbie blue. But we have to be realistic. You guys are all against getting a guy lie Chavez and you think we even havea chance at A rod. We need to focus on realistic trades for Randa, Furcal, Guardado, or rincon if we can add either one of those bats and one of those pitchers we would also be set. We need another arm in the bullpen and also a solid ss or 3bb PERIOD!! The problem with a Chavez is his shaky #s this year and the roids issues. ARod has never had a bad season and there is no reason to believe he will. Great defense + great offense + youth....what is not to like? Well, he did try to cheat in the playoffs last year

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 07:18 AM) Who becomes the closer for the Yankees then? Gordon is perfect in a set-up role for them. The problem in the Yankees pen hasn't been Mariano Rivera, it's been the pitchers in front of him. If the Yankees determine they are out of it this year, why does it matter? Rivera has shown signs of being done earlier this year? Next season may be his final season anyways as an effective closer. They would definitely look to sell him at trade deadline if they determine they are out of it. Who else they can sell that some team might want? Sheffield or Matsui or Randy J are the only others that come to mind.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 07:20 AM) Look at what the Yankees gave up for Aaron Boone at the deadline 2 years ago. That should tell you what they'd accept for A-Rod. Anderson is going to be a good major leaguer, but I doubt he's going to be a yearly all-star. Yankees always overbid and overpay at the trade deadline. NOthing new there. That does not mean we have to. Again Crede + Bmac + Anderson/any other prospect they want is a fairly good deal for them.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 07:17 AM) Just remember that going out and getting the superstar player doesn't always work. That's what got NY into this mess. Getting old superstars gets you in trouble. What got NY into trouble is getting the Randy Johnsons, Kevin Browns, Stantons, Quantrills of the world and paying them all way above their next competitor. We are adding Alex to a relatively low payroll, and assuming the attendance will spike up (and continue to stay there with Alex here), this is a business risk JR needs to decide on. We will still have very good minor league depth with our next wave of pitchers ready to step it up next year. We will still have Sweeney if we gave up ANderson. And our payroll is going to have flexibility by losing Everett + Paul this off season and Frank maybe one season or two after (and as long as he stays, probably for a home town discount)

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 07:15 AM) Look at what Steinbrenner gave up for Pay-Rod. Crede and B-Mac is NOT going to get it done. As much as we would like to acquire an A-Rod, our payroll is not able to handle the increase his contract would have, even if the Yankees pay what up to a half of the remaining deal (which they'd never do). If he's so good, why would the Yankees want to give him up? Why not ship out the dead wood instead? I agree Crede + BMac is not enough. See my posts above. I said Crede + BMac is a no brainer. I think though that Crede + BMac + Anderson would do it PROVIDED the Boss decided he is willing to trade Alex away. That offer would be a tough one for the Boss to resist then, I think. I would defintiely do it eve if it meant giving up BMAc + Crede + Anderson

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 06:59 AM) You can never have enough pitching. I would take Randa and spend our money in the relief area. Find some studs and make it a short game. Polite, Hermy and Cotts have been great lately. Marte has something wrong with his arm and has been erratic at best. Maybe its nothing, maybe its something more. Our starting pitching has been great. The only weak link is the health of one El Duque. With Bmac in need of more seasoning, I would suggest that an arm might be a good idea. Ricardo Rincon from the A's, Everyday Eddy from the Mariners, just a few ideas. Would you trade for Rivera then? That is someone the Yanks will definitely think hard about trading if they decide they are done this year. What would you give up to add Rivera to our BP?

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 07:12 AM) You know Steinbrenner though. He'd panic and ship BMac and Anderson to the Twins for Radke, or some such s***, and we'd regret it for years. I would live with that too frankly. You know if the Yanks decide to sell anyone, they will not trade the player to any AL East team (maybe to the Os just to screw the Bo Sox) so there is a chance they do what you suggest with the Twinkies.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 07:09 AM) Don't question the impact good young players can have on a team though. Look at the Minnesota Twins. Jesse Crain, Justin Morneau and Joe Mauer would make what about $1million combined this season. If you can get good young players contributing at a good enough level on the MLB stage, then if gives you so much more payroll flexibility, so you're not locked into big contracts like the Yankees etc. Agreed but you are talking about a HOF'er who is going to break Aaron/Bonds' record here. (Injuries not withstanding of course but typically pitchers have more concerns with injuries. Position players are much safer bets) And we would be set to contend next year too. And this team needs to take over the city from the Cubs.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 07:08 AM) I'd have to give that some serious thought. Crede and BMac, I'd say go for it. I guess a lot depends on much $$$$ the Yankees throw in to the deal. Crede + Bmac is a no brainer, but I doubt Steinny goes for that. If he got two stud prospects, something they have none of, he could at least think about it.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 07:02 AM) Brown is signed through this season only. They will buy Giambi's contract out, and reach some sort of deal. Ok. What about their BP? Stanton, Quantrill, Flash, Rivera? What is their status for next year and what is their payroll? What about Posada?

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 07:04 AM) They can also buy out Wright's contract for $4 million if he spends something like an extra 21 days on the DL. They've got some wiggle room, and I can't see Ol' Steiny selling his prime stock. I agree I cannot see Steinbrenner giving up on his stud chip. But with Steinny, who the hell knows anyways.

YASNY What would you be willing to give up for a ARod? Would you be willing to give up Anderson, Crede and BMac? I would, in a heart beat. Prospects are just that....prospects.

QUOTE(DABearSoX @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 06:57 AM) Nice post, though would never happen...........even Chavez is a freaking long long shot, This has the chances of Crede batting over .320 for the year Yeah long long long long shot, but if this happened.....man I would take the week off from work to partay Still, I hope Kenny at least makes the call if the Yanks continue to get hammered

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 06:54 AM) I have had this thought run through my mind recently, but because there woiuld be so many obstacles to overcome, I just dismissed it. However, it certainly wouldn't hurt to pick up the phone and see what the Boss and Cashman are thinking. Thanks YASNY. I have been really thinking about this the past 3 days seeing the Yanks implode against the Brewers. Yes, Kenny should pick up the phone and ask. It cannot hurt can it? The one thing folks may not realize is that the Yankees plight is not just restricted ot this year. They are screwed even for next year and maybe even the year after. They have ridiculous $ invested in Giambi who no team will take. Same thing for Kevin Brown and Randy Johnson, both of who will only get worse and more injury prone after this year. They have absolutely no bull pen for next year, and they just cannot buy their way in anymore. They need young, cheap pitching badly and there is no way they get it except trading some stud this year. Mariano Rivera is the other chip they have and I have even thought about maybe the Sox calling for him. But if one out of Shingo or Viz settles in, with Hermy doing great, I rather have Alex than Rivera any day for this year and for years to come. Bud Selig's plan has had some effect in that many teams are now capable of tying up their studs before they get to the Yankees. Also, considering Toronto and Os have really good young pitching, they will be good next year and year after too. The Yanks have a battle on their hand despite this huge payroll.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 06:52 AM) Only on the Xbox is this trade made. Get Randa, who hit another dong tonight for some minor prospects and save your big trades for some more pitching. Do we really need more pitching if we stay injury free? Also, this trade sets us up for years to come. Obviously we let Kong & Everett walk in the offseason, and let someone like G-load or some cheap vet play 1B. I am sure Frank would be willing to stay here at a discount if we won it all to keep contending. And we do nto really have any major holes to fill for next year.

I have been giving this a thought for a while. Obviously our two biggest needs are 3B followed by better production at SS. If Cotts stays solid and even if one out of Shingo or Viz get back to last year's form our BP is going to be great for the playoffs. Not to mention Count will be added to the pen and in general our pen is not going to be overworked going into the playoffs. We have all talked about Randa, Chavez and even Vinny () at 3B. In another thread, Kenny has said he has the go signal to spend if needed to get a great player here that can put us over the top. So I have to ask: How about trading for Alex Rodriguez? Question #1: Will the Yanks trade him? With the Yanks just losing 9 out of their last 10 (and with the Twins, Os, Bo Sox, White Sox, Angels not slowing it down), it is very possible that the Yankees will be so out of it come trade deadline that they may just decide to sell for a change instead of buy. They have holes all over their roster (2B, DH, BP, CF and starting P) and with a team that is only going to get older next year, the Boss may decide to shred some payroll and use it sensibly on pitching in the offseason. Also, Alex has just not been received well in the Yanks locker room where Jeter will always be the man. Question #2: Will JR pay for someone like Alex Rodriguez? Considering the Rangers picked up some of Alex's contract, it is not like we are going to be paying $25M a year for him. Also, when you consider this is the guy that can FINALLY put seats in the park for years to come, as a sure fire HOF'er and a lock to even break Henry Aaron's record, JR has to see value there. JR has paid for Michael Jordan before, so I do not see him not paying someone like Alex. Also, when Alex was a FA, the Sox were mildly interested in him. And considering we were willing to pay in the range of 14M/yr for Maggs, we can definitely pay for Alex. Question #3: Do we have enough to trade for a Alex Rodriguez? In one of those 3B upgrade threads, it was clear that except for maybe the Dodgers, there were really no other contending teams that needed a 3B. Also, with Mussina, Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown, Flash Gordon, Rivera, Quantrill, Stanton etc all really getting old, Yankees have to stock up on young pitching now. We can easily give them a package of Crede + BMAc + any other one stud prospect they want. Question #4: Where do you play him? That is easy. This season at 3B, and he can continue there but can always be moved to SS if needed (trade Uribe or use him as a back up going forward if we get a good 3B) Question #5: Do we mess with chemistry? I definitely believe this "Alex Rodriguez has won nowhere and is hence not worth the $" tripe is crap. If we can get the next Barry Bonds for the next decade, we have to look at it. I am willing to risk the chemistry to get the true star that will make this city a Sox town again and make us into an overnight lock to win it all this year and be contenders for years to come. Alex would fit in fine in the clubhouse with so many Latino players and Ozzie. Also, while he will bring the Star attitude to the club house, I have always seen Alex as being a hard worked on the field who will get dirty to win the game. He definitely wants to win. ======================= Now I know the chances of this happening are Would you guys be ok with a trade for Alex Rodrigues or not????? Thoughts??? Considering we have an off day, this might make for a good discussion. I am going to go change my shorts since I think I just creamed it thinking about this fockign lineup for the Sox the latter part of this year: Pods LF Iguchi 2B Frank Thomas DH Alex Rodriguez 3B Jermaine Dye RF Paul Konerko 1B Aaron Rowand CF AJ Pierzinsky C Uribe SS Off the bench - Everett as first PH

Yeah I find it ironic that he has to resort to lawyers, when he cannot back up what he writes. If he is confident that what he wrote was correct, why not simply provide the sources? I am frankly sad about how bad the journalism has become in a great great city like Chicago. We do not need dumbasses like Skip Bayless and Moronotti. Why can't we get good journalists for a change?

Now this is related to the Bulls, but still I think it belongs here for a while since it involves our owner Jerry and everyone's favorite friend Moronotti. Moronotti is now threatening to use the lawyer on Jerry.... :headshake http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines Here is the link to Moronotti's column for reference: http://www.suntimes.com/output/mariotti/cst-spt-jay08.html ============== This is gonna get ugly. Look for Hawk to say something about this soon on one of his broadcasts.

Anyone have a picture of a broom? We haven't seen too many of those with Ozzie

I wanted to beat Nuke to the "winner" thread and with this lead it is ovah. Even Jizzcan or Dingo cannot give this up now. So what the hell El Duque is the luckiest SOB around. Not a great ERA but now 7-1....he might make it to the All star game this way Great game by the offense. Everyone chimed in. SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP

My positive karma of starting a sthread compensated big time for Ozzie throwing away 3rd game

QUOTE(chimpy2121 @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 03:51 AM) If Ozzie was the manager of the All Star team I think Cliff would make it, but since he's not I'm sure our only relief guy will be Hermy. Ozzie will be the manager next year And I hope he snubs every focking spankee then