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The hire, at the very least, should have been a more exhaustive process with at least 3-5 outside candidates along with 2-3 internal ones. As Balta said, we can draw the conclusion that they did at least go through an exhaustive search process before settling on Getz, who's the most inexperienced at his particular position (Director of Player Development) in the major leagues, or we can just as easily assume they half-assed it and went with the comfortable candidate who wouldn't make waves or rock the boat, someone who could easily be controlled or spied on/spy on others, depending on the latest version of who you believe is winning the soap opera-ish battle for control of the Sox front office. The fact of the matter is that we heard for four plus years that Robin Ventura was capable of being a Hall of Fame manager when/if he was presented a talented team to manage, and that his name could rank up with Torre/LaRussa/Leyland/Cox. At any rate, let's follow the career/s of Ventura and Chris Getz and see if they still have jobs in baseball five or ten years from now. If they don't, it's pretty easy to reach the conclusion that their services were not greatly in demand across MLB. We shall see.

As far as measuring failure and success in black and white terms, that's virtually impossible, since 65-70% of it is drafting talented players with major league ability. Simply going by the win-loss percentage of the big league club in 2018-2020 would be one indicator, but probably not the fairest one...

Suggested interview questions for Getz: 1) How did this big jump in your coaching career come about? What it a case where you contacted the White Sox about a possible opening (when Capra was moved to the big league staff) or did they contact you initially? 2) What was the interview process (if any) like? Who conducted it? 3) What have you learned in your two years in the Royals' organization that has helped prepare you for this huge jump in responsibility? What did being part of that organization when they won a World Series in 2015 teach you, and how can it be applied to the Sox minor league system? 4) What is your perspective on analytics? 5) What do you feel is your strength as a coach? One area you would like to improve? 6) How does your background as a "gritty" player who got the most out of his talent complement the drafting and development process put in place by Nick Hostetler? Are you familiar with Nick and his focus on high "baseball IQ" players with elevated OBP's and translatable baseball skills? 7) Will you report to Buddy Bell as your direct superior? 8) What are some things that worked well for the Royals' in their developmental process that you could bring over with your own unique stamp and incorporate? What are some of your core beliefs about teaching fundamentals, fielding and baserunning? 9) Where do you see yourself in 5 or 10 years in the White Sox organizational structure? 10) Many other major league directors have a strong background in scouting as well as minor league managerial experience...how will you make up for this lack of experience and "get up to speed" since you're on such a steep learning curve? What do you think the White Sox saw in you that made you an especially attractive candidate for the position?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 03:58 PM) And until I mentioned him, you have never heard of him. How many of their draft picks are on their roster? How come you never mentioned Capra? They are both cogs in a machine, one effective (the Cubs), the other badly in need of a replacement or complete overhaul. There's simply no need (to waste time) to pick on Capra or Steverson when JR, KW, Hahn and Bell all need to go. It's like Wells Fargo firing all their marketing people and bank cashiers to protect the three top leaders who are most responsible. Finally, the majority of minor league columns tend to be puff pieces (milb.com, etc.), so it's really hard to determine what's going on because those types of problems will never be pointed out to someone from outside the "family" in a meaningful way, at least not until that person has already left the organization, and even then, it's more intimations and hints and reading tea leaves to sort through and divine.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/20...-upon-election/ Hillary Clinton vows to slam the economy into recession. And we wonder why there's no point discussing actual policy anymore....

As Obama learned, drawing huge numbers in an adrenaline-fueled campaign and essentially being a rock star still do not equal governing. That famous political quote about prose (governing) vs. poetry (campaigning) immediately comes to mind.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 02:53 PM) There's no way they should have even considered anybody with less than 5 years prior experience in a player development and/or an executive position in an MLB org. IE, someone who has experience with team building, consensus building, setting a budget, managing a staff -- not to mention the day to day task of trying to improve your players. That's what really boggles my mind -- not that he was hired, but that he was hired into arguably the 3rd highest executive position on the club behind KW and Hahn. The manager is on the players side, the Director of Player Development is firmly in the FO and will have quite a bit of executive decisions to make. They hired someone that has zero experience making those decisions. 0. Zero. Nada. Zilch. http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/team/fron...ice.jsp?c_id=kc This is the more typical structure. Note Getz near the very bottom. With the White Sox, you have Haber and Buddy Bell with a lot more power than this position. Cooper, unofficially. Hostetler and Paddy now. At best, he would be 8th, and it would be impossible for me to believe he would be more respected than Laumann, who's a baseball lifer, so maybe 9th. Probably their Director of Analytics as well, Dan Fabian, the ND grad. 10th?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 02:48 PM) I suspect there are folks in the Cardinals, Pirates, Cubs, Red Sox, etc. organizations that had similar amounts of experience. Yes, and ironically, the one before Jaron Madison for the Cubs...eight years of experience in three vastly different organizational roles for the Marlins. Of course he played for the White Sox from 1997-2001. Brandon Hyde. Shifted to 1B coach for the Cubs when Maddon/Martinez came on board. We can't even identify the RIGHT former players to coach as well as other teams do. Cooper came over from the Yankees.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/161592224/in...elopment-staff/ http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2...omote_ross.html Carter Hawkins, eight years of experience, four years as assistant to Atkins, who was previously in charge of player development. Yet another exec with a better organization (the Indians) with EIGHT years of experience prior to assuming the responsibilities. http://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/5/21/5...ilb-adjustments http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0SO8wvENQV...JSc5sl1PUQdhGo- Scott Sharp with the Royals had EIGHT years of experience in scouting with three different organizations. http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/team/fron...ice.jsp?c_id=kc Well, at least Getz wasn't at the very bottom of their front office pecking order. There's one below. http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/kc/team/e...dahia_chino.jsp And now we know why Getz wasn't in line for that position any time soon in KC. Someone with tons more experience in multiple organizations and bilingual to boot.

http://mbpelicans.mlblogs.com/2016/01/21/c...-jaron-madison/ http://vineline.mlblogs.com/tag/jaron-madison/ Jaron Madison was DIRECTOR of Minor League Scouting with the Cubs before changing to Director of Player Development. The previous one, Brandon Hyde, had eight years of combined minor league managerial, minor league infield coordinator and 2 1/2 years as Marlins' bench coach, including one game as interim/fill-in big league manager. Experience...in other areas. For both. And it's pretty much impossible for Sox fans to question the job the Cubs do scouting.

Even if he was an academic All-American at Michigan, NU or Notre Dame, that doesn't necessarily mean he's the best candidate.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 08:28 AM) The skepticism of this hiring is to be expected, as we as Sox fans are fresh off of the failed Robin Ventura experiment, where his hiring was done solely based on name and association with the organization. Getz may be an up and coming talent in the player development space, but regardless, you just have to wonder if he was the best available talent out there to take on this very important role within this particular organization, one where certain aspects of player development (position players) has been sorely lacking in recent years. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thad_Bosley The real Thad Bosley is much more qualified. See "personal life"...at least he and Lenny Randle could teach corner infielders to blow balls foul. Heck, Abby Hornacek could have at least gotten an interview just based on her father's Bulls connections.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/washingtons...ory?id=24551590 Interesting that Donald Trump makes a LOT more for his speeches than the Clintons. Smart business or crooked? Lots of other political names here. In 2010, it was Tony Blair at $616,000 per speech at #1.

Is there a weaker area in the entire organization...especially vis a vis positional prospects? Is there another in a similar position in MLB with less than two full years of experience? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Hyde For example, look at the resume of Brandon Hyde, Sox minor leaguer from 1997-2001. He was named Director of Player Development for the Cubs at the end of 2012. Five years earning his stripes as a minor league manager, then minor league infield coordinator, interim bench coach with the Marlins in the middle of 2010, permanent bench coach for the 2011, 2012 seasons. That's eight full years of experience, with three vastly different roles for the Marlins. Then named Renteria's bench coach at the end of the 2012 season after one year as Director of Player Development. Currently 1B coach, as Dave Martinez came on board.

Or that other teams are trying to copy the Royals/Braves model of Schuerholz and Dayton Moore. Hostetler and Getz both have connections to it. So does Buddy Bell.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 16, 2016 -> 09:38 PM) Clinton was fed answers in debate. She has media in hip pocket. She communicated with high ranking officials helping her in email case. She blasted Catholics. 1.8 million bucks for a few speeches. Crooked.Hillary.IMO. Greg, you're just digging yourself a deeper hole. Once you go down that rabbit hole for too long, you might never come out again.

Darin Erstad must be coming next as the "grindy" baserunning coach. Or Mark Kotsay...

It's amusing that less than two years ago that article opined his future "ceiling" might be a roving instructor in the minor leagues (if he didn't become a manager), and here he already is IN CHARGE OF ALL ROVING INSTRUCTORS, as well helping to implement pitching, hitting and defensive strategies of a system-wide basis. Looks like the White Sox are the best team for former players to come to for a promotion!! Unfortunately, arguably the best instructional coach of all the former Sox players, Rusty Kuntz, never found his way back to Chicago.

http://kingsofkauffman.com/2014/11/21/chri...turning-royals/ This is the original argument for why the Royals hired him... When Chris Getz decided to call it a career last summer, retiring after the Toronto Blue Jays sought to send him back to AAA. It was expected that, almost the moment that Getz retired, Dayton Moore would be on the phone, talking to him about a role somewhere within the organization. After all, that scrappy little player who built a major league career despite not having any close to elite skills could end up as a solid coach or manager some day. Sure enough, the Royals did come calling. And now, Getz is back in the organization, accepting a job to be a part of the Royals player personnel and development department. “They offered me a position that was ideal and would expose me to the other side of the game, in all areas,” Getz said. This position certainly appears as though it would be perfect for Chris Getz. Not blessed with the most skill or blazing speed or the ability to drive the ball for any real power, Getz still managed to post a career a .250/.307/.305 batting line, stealing 89 bases in 107 attempts. Getz was, pure and simple, a ball player who played the game hard and played the right way. It may be that Getz will be able to impart that hard work and dedication to the Royals minor leaguers. Even if they are not the most naturally talented players in the system or on the team, they can look at Getz and see that he had a major league career. In turn, Getz can teach the minor leaguers to play the game the right way. Chris Getz, during his career, appeared to be the type of player who could be a future coach or manager, or perhaps a roving instructor in the minor leagues. Now, Getz is fulfilling that destiny. I guess this makes sense, if you're looking at the "new type of hitters" that were drafted in 2016 under Hostetler...with the concentration or focus on getting "already productive/refined players" rather than raw talents with potential. The concern is that all of the players in the current system, other than this draft class...were selected more in the "athletic talent who could be great or totally flop" system that saw us drafting Thompson, Anderson and Hawkins, among others. So who's going to work with those players, the Micker Adolfo's, Hawkinses or Keon Barnum's of the world?? And yeah, this is the type of position that TYPICALLY someone has at least 5 years or more of minor league experience, but 10-15 years and above is more the norm.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Oct 15, 2016 -> 10:00 PM) The post of the year is "Cleveland won the NBA championship, so the Cubs or Indians will win the World Series." I would expect nothing less. I bet if you did a survey, 90% of Cubs' fans continue to believe in the curse and history. It was the first thing Charlie Steiner mentioned when Gonzalez hit that tying single up the middle, or Jon Miller when the Cubs seemed to be blowing the series in the 4th game of the Giants' series. Run from it all you want...but it won't disappear until they manage to win it all.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Oct 15, 2016 -> 09:36 PM) And when did Blanton become the go to pitcher in the 8th inning of a tie game? Look at his numbers the last 2-3 months and into the post-season. Look at the number of pitches thrown by Dodgers relievers two days ago. Walking Heyward is the one that just doesn't make much sense. You go after him or bring in Drayton there. Roberts got too cute trying to outmanage Maddon.

Indians/Cubs was predictable as soon as the Cavs won. History has a way of creating just these sorts of match-ups of two long-suffering franchises. Hopefully it comes down to Miller vs. Chapman. The best reliever will win out over the hardest thrower.

Jesus=Peace and Justice, Social Gospels, etc. How that would equate to it being a sin to vote for a Catholic is beyond me...see the election of John Kennedy in 1960. Besides the fact that the Republicans being "pro" death penalty runs just as strongly against Catholic doctrine. Sinners, tax collectors and money changers, prostitutes=99% Donald Trump and family=Top 1% If Trump has more "faith" than Obama and the Clintons, it would be extremely hard to make that case.

QUOTE (iWin4Ron @ Oct 15, 2016 -> 08:42 PM) Posts: 44,492 Cubs bullpen should be able to finish the job from here. Dodgers hitting is extremely weak. But none on a Cubs board...it has never occurred to me to think that would be enjoyable.

QUOTE (iWin4Ron @ Oct 15, 2016 -> 08:13 PM) Why are there 12 guests watching this thread? Sign up yall and talk . Since you and Deadpool are the only ones openly rooting for the Cubs but occasionally attempting to disguise it...good luck finding more Cubs fans who want to exert the effort of pretending not to care while posting on a Sox board. Surely, there are more productive things to do with your life.