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Seems now every AL Central team has used the White Sox as a momentum booster to rocket back up in the standings. After beating CLE the first game in that series, they were close to being down for the count until we pulled them back into the race.

QUOTE (Condor13 @ Jun 5, 2015 -> 07:53 PM) Well i guess that will be it for tonight, time for some trades or to call someone up. Nobody meriting a call up. Some want Junior Guerra or a replacement for Jennings...but that's just rearranging deck chairs on a sinking ship.

Poor Quintana. Wilson playing in his first game for the Tigers...of course. Robertson will never pitch again at this rate.

Minnesota was down 5-0 against the Brewers, now tied...and that Chi Chi Gonzalez kid on the Rangers is impressive. Seems he hasn't given up a run yet.

Actually 8/11 Cespedes vs. Quintana, four homers. 8/12 now. Bizarre game....except lack of offense from both teams unsurprising.

QUOTE (Sox Fan In Husker Land @ Jun 5, 2015 -> 07:31 PM) I know you are joking, but look at his splits coming into the game tonight (currently 0-2): Tie Game: 172/273/207 480 OPS 1 Run Game: 200/246/292 539 OPS 2 Run Game: 188/235/263 498 OPS 3 Run Game: 196/237/283 520 OPS 4 Run Game: 196/235/278 514 OPS Margin > 4 : 263/300/632 932 OPS And we're 10-7 in one run games because of those late-game comebacks and Duke/Robertson. Kinsler....no excuse there. War of mental mistakes in this one.

QUOTE (harkness @ Jun 5, 2015 -> 07:29 PM) Wow was Steve Stones theory on hitting absolute S*** If major league players are that afraid of hitting with 2 strikes they need to GTFO.... Lots of hitting coaches and pitchers believe that as well. "This is a game the Tigers should win. The best I've ever seen our guy pitch." How the hell did that ball drop??? Kinsler knew he was out. Playing deep but didn't seem to bust it at full speed to get there. Sigh.

Seems the entire AL Central other than CLE in slump mode. Royals 2-7 and the Tigers have last seven in a row....2-11 or 2-12, etc. Everyone fears that Indians starting rotation.

58 pitches through 5. Shades of 2012. Unfortunately, shades of 1984-1987 Sox offense as well.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jun 5, 2015 -> 06:49 PM) Guys, don't doubt Fred til he gives you reason to. I keep telling you, he's a special person and special basketball mind. Dude took a strategy of taking transfers, getting a guys like Royce White, Georges Niang and the like and decided at Iowa goddamn State that we were going to try and run teams off the court. And we did. If you guys don't end up falling in love with him, I'll be shocked. I think Heads should be his agent.

QUOTE (harkness @ Jun 5, 2015 -> 07:18 PM) Avi needs to stop swinging at every GD pitch... When will these guys learn that they make it so much harder to be successful when they do that. Alexei walked earlier. On a torrid pace for 18....or 3-4 weeks for Rizzo/Bryant.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 5, 2015 -> 07:17 PM) Offense is simply terrible vs LHP. So many easy outs. Avi was the only bright spot and he's fading. Beckham, inexplicably...not hitting lhp. Bring back Viciedo, haha.

Quintana seems to be throwing 1-2 mph harder than normal. He'd given up 9 runs to the Tigers earlier this season...

Cespedes something like 5/11 with four homers against Quintana now.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jun 5, 2015 -> 06:43 PM) gotta find a way to get melky back on the juice w/o getting caught Or get him suspended to save the money...

This guy throws 86-90 so of course we struggle. Melky's on a pace for 12 doubles and 3 homers. Last year, 54 xb hits. Incredible. Baffling.

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2...ml#incart_river

That's also partly a symptom of the lack of homegrown position players who've already bought into a system coming up together. Trust takes longer to develop in that scenario...in each other, and the manager.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/i...open-al-central The key for him (Rodon) is getting to the slider in a strikeout count, as he currently lacks the fastball command to get ahead of hitters on a more consistent basis -- and thus the 22 walks in 34⅔ innings. Batters are hitting just .132 against the slider, whiffing 27 times in 63 plate appearances ending with that pitch. But they're hitting .368 against his fastball, with more walks than strikeouts.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 5, 2015 -> 01:57 PM) I wonder would people rather hear Kenny's 50 cents on the dollar speach again, or this one? http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2015...s_poor_fans.php He will get a job with the Atlanta Hawks' marketing team for sure. Can easily transition from hating Hispanics to hating African-Americans. http://halohangout.com/2014/03/20/trout-pu...s-ticket-sales/ Similar situation to the White Sox...they entered last season having missed the playoffs four consecutive seasons. Even a disappointing playoff appearance didn't help this offseason. Yet the trend does not surprise Alvarado. He said the strength of the resale market — StubHub, Ticketmaster's Ticket Exchange, and similar services — means that fans do not have to buy or share season tickets to get a good seat. And, since the recession hit in 2008, fans have become increasingly interested in mini-plans rather than in buying a seat for all 81 games. He said the Angels are about even with last year in revenue from tickets and concessions. Group sales are up, and so are luxury suite rentals. Donated tickets — charities and civic groups buy blocks and give them to schools, military personnel and the like — are down. The Dodgers have capped season-ticket sales at 35,000. Alvarado said the Dodgers build that base in part by selling blocks of seats to brokers and resale outlets. "They've got a significantly larger wholesale business than we do," Alvarado said. "We choose not to go that model." http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la...0603-story.html Remember, this same team is bleeding fans like the White Sox post 2006... Had the best record in AL, MVP, playoff appearance last year, etc. They're not losing fans to the DOdgers, either.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 5, 2015 -> 04:43 PM) im considering that this is pretty much the norm for Rasmus and quite an aberration for Melky. Besides, your argument wasn't about cost, it was about production ROI is always implied in any conversation. It's easy to say signing Nelson Cruz would have been better...but not if you consider how likely he is to replicate those same numbers in 2018 or 2019.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 5, 2015 -> 10:30 AM) .238/.304/.490 .235/.278/.504 yea, massive difference there. Those two more walks make all the difference in the world You're not consdering the most important factor...their respective contracts. Rasmus has a 793 ops. We would have been elated to get that from Viciedo last year. Cabrera is one of the bottom five players in all of mlb at 540. 28 vs. over the hill/declining/no pop 30ish. http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/pos.../true/minpa/125 Rasmus comes in at 17/29...only Suzuki, Ackley and Joyce are worse than Melky. Probably David DeJesus is the best "treading water" signing. The best thing you can say is we didnt sign Hanley Ramirez for lf, but the White Sox would have played him at third.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 5, 2015 -> 10:05 AM) Martinez has player in only 60% of the Tigers games and has an OPS of .578. If you think he is the difference in the season, you must think Tyler flowers is the savior for the Sox season as he has a higher OPS than Martinez. No, I meant in the Tigers not even making the playoffs...that being a signing we all questioned from the beginning due to his age and injury history, too much risk for the possible reward. http://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tige...treak/28511877/ Is the Tigers' season already on the brink?

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 5, 2015 -> 09:52 AM) Was is Veeck that said "I'd rather trade a player one year early than one year late"? Quite a few front office people....hard to pinpoint just one. Brett Anderson is a name that nobody trusted this offseason but he would have been a better move since we would have controlled his rights multiple years, not given up any talent and corned the lefty pitching market. Rasmus would have been a better solution than Cabrera....younger, better defender, takes more walks and more pop. Not to mention Kendrys Morales going to the Royals and Victor Martinez staying might have decided the division. Free agency is always a crapshoot...especially for the White Sox.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 5, 2015 -> 08:32 AM) Only two years ago, that would have been outstanding. We're always one or two years late. Dunn, Downs, Keppinger, Cabrera, LaRoche, dealing Alexei, Samardzija/selling low on Semien...