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Gillaspie and Wilkins not exactly helping matters.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 5, 2014 -> 08:12 PM) Jose Quintana's FIP this season > Michael Pineda's FIP this season in his, um, 8 starts. And betances vs our pen during that time?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 5, 2014 -> 08:08 PM) Pineda's velocity in his 4 post DL starts? 92.5, 91, 93.5, 93.5. Quintana's velocity in his last 4 starts? 91.5, 92.5, 92, 92. Era? Whip? K/9?

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 5, 2014 -> 08:06 PM) Missed it, what happened Intentional walk....avi walked too to load the bases but viciedo and semien failed

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 5, 2014 -> 08:04 PM) 8. Starts. Since. 2011. And everyone wrote off victor Martinez three years ago too. Baseball is a what have you done for me lately kind of game.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 5, 2014 -> 08:03 PM) Gotta love taking the bat out of Abreu's hands. But there's no such thing as lineup protection. So much for semien always being clutch...odds of winning this one decreasing by the minute.

QUOTE (peavy44 @ Sep 5, 2014 -> 07:50 PM) We need starting pitching and im not trading alexei either. Michael pinata sucks too. Have u even looked at his current stats or watched him pitch recently? I'm guessing no would be the answer to that one.

QUOTE (peavy44 @ Sep 5, 2014 -> 07:34 PM) I wouldn't do that trade if i was the white sox. Betances throws 100 and that's his second or third best pitch. He's going to be one of the best relievers in baseball for the next five years. Apparently nobody has seen how good Pineda looks now...because the Yankees wouldn't accept Quintana even if he originated in the royal system.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 5, 2014 -> 07:15 PM) Just got home. Saw Sale only went six innings, did he just not have it tonight? Pitch count I think....98 through only six Wish the Yankees would trade us betances and Pineda for Quintana....then we'd have a closer and righty...would probably have to give them Alexis too.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Sep 5, 2014 -> 06:45 PM) House of cards so far. Kevin spacey as frank Rutherford is a lot more fun...and no robin wright bull-penn either Michael Taylor is no Kate Mara James shields adding ten million to his next contract tonight

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Sep 5, 2014 -> 05:47 PM) Maybe we're showcasing tank at 1b at other teams' requests. In the offseason? Then surely they would have already seen him at Charlotte in 2010 or 11.

QUOTE (chisoxfan310 @ Sep 5, 2014 -> 05:06 PM) Who are the 6-8 corner outfielders you would rather have? (Please don't say Rasmus....he's basically Dunn without the walks and the durability) Not better statistically just more likely in terms of reasonable contract terms and mitigated risk due to preserving draft picks...

QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 5, 2014 -> 05:14 PM) ummm ahhh you do know I was using the Dodgers as an example to make a point. right Okay

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Sep 5, 2014 -> 05:55 PM) I don't think I'd be opposed to 2/$40M. He's a good hitter. That's what he is and that's what we need. I like that you can get that quality of hitter without shelling out 7 years worth of risk. His discipline won't age. Except we would lose him in 2017 and have to find another big bat just when we are in the middle of our prime contention window. So unless it's three years...but then fifty or sixty million over three years seems completely ill-advised.

It's going to be annoying if jake peavy finally beats the tigers while pitching for sf

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 5, 2014 -> 04:08 PM) Since this is the off season thread, let me be the first to get WHY HAVEN'T WE MADE A MOVE YET, WHAT IS RICK HAHN DOING, SLEEPING??? out of the way. There aren't that many tough decisions with our guys other than perhaps viciedo Nate jones and whether to trade Alexis or not depending on the ss trade market. Other teams can sign Hanley hardy asdrubal Cabrera and Drew to name a few. With viciedo at 1b guessing they want to give him one final shot. Note typing on an iPad sucks!

QUOTE (chisoxfan310 @ Sep 5, 2014 -> 03:46 PM) If we get a new DH, I'd rather see Viciedo moved. If we sign say Melky, I'd be ok keeping tank and having him get majority of his at bats at dh with also a little in the outfield and first. Also it'd be nice to have him hitting like 6th as opposed to middle of the order. Not happening...buying high...peds...qualifying offer compensation In the free agency list there are 6-8 corner ofers more likely as placeholders on short-term deals who won't cost a draft pick

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 5, 2014 -> 02:11 PM) I actually thought Towers was already fired. The writing was on the wall when Larussa came on board fwiw

QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 5, 2014 -> 10:28 AM) without factoring the prospects that the sox have to sacrifice to get him, I will deal with the salary aspect. a big team like Dodgers who has their own tv deal would likely benefit from union with Stanton. first Stanton will make the Dodgers a very attractive team to watch, to clamor to go and see, which will improve on the attendance and finally advertising. it a win, win situation. as much as I wouldn't mind the sox going for it, it would be too much to pay to get him here in chi. They would have to trade kemp ethier or Crawford first They have to replace Hanley Ramirez possibly They will be interested in Russell Martin They have Kershaw greinke ryu puig Adrian Gonzalez kemp not lacking star power Otoh they have Peterson Uriah ands seager to get it done prospect wiseThey also need to improve back end of the pen

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Sep 5, 2014 -> 01:46 PM) The best I can figure, this is a complete list of FA/potential FA who have an OPS over 700 for the season. Guys with an asterisk have club options. OBP SLG OPS Victor Martinez (35) 404 569 973 Michael Cuddyer (36) 380 546 926# Nelson Cruz (34) 328 520 848 Corey Hart (33) 334 507 841# Russell Martin (32) 408 415 823 Mike Morse (33) 338 477 815# Adam Lind (31)* 364 446 810#home run numbers are down Melky Cabrera (30) 348 457 805 Aramis Ramirez (37)* 347 453 800 Hanley Ramirez (31) 350 434 784 Delmon Young (29) 335 445 780# Rickie Weeks (32)* 341 429 770 Josh Willingham (36) 350 416 766# Pablo Sandoval (28) 331 434 765 Ben Zobrist (34)* 357 404 761# do the rays keep him???probably or would have been dealt Denard Span (31)* 348 413 761 Torii Hunter (39) 312 439 751 Colby Rasmus (28) 289 449 738# Nick Markakis (31)* 342 391 733# J.J. Hardy (32) 320 392 712# only if they deal Alexei Asdrubal Cabrera (29) 312 400 712# good buy low guy familiar with division see hardy comment Endy Chavez (37) 323 386 709# great defender perfect fourth outfielder Alex Rios (34)* 311 398 709 Billy Butler (29)* 325 382 707# see Cabrera ###Most likely players sox would pursue

QUOTE (hi8is @ Sep 4, 2014 -> 11:39 PM) I was super bummed when we didn't nab him Especially since he's EXACTLY the hitter we need now for LF/RF, albeit right-handed.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Sep 5, 2014 -> 12:19 AM) I'm starting to think the 2015 2-hole hitter isn't on the team yet unless his name is Gillaspie, and by all measures the Sox just don't believe in that. Alexei Ramirez is too easy to get out any time he's not dialed in, and he's consistently trotted out #2. Flowers, Viciedo, Avi, Sanchez & Semien are all too free of swingers or just too inexperienced to give the second most ABs of the season too. If we add a tough-out kinda guy for #2 i think the rest falls into place nicely and we'll be pretty solid top to middle with potential at the bottom. I would love Sanchez/Semien turning the lineup over but not at 2. We need that "glue" guy, like Matt Carpenter with the Cardinals who can hit first, second or even third on occasion. Like Orlando Cabrera in his prime, but with a higher walk rate. Or Iguchi would be another example. Semien can't do it unless he dramatically cuts down on his K's. I don't think they'll stick him at 2 until they break him in at the bottom of the order (successfully), 8th or 9th after Flowers.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 4, 2014 -> 11:22 PM) Avasail is going to be everyday next year, bank on it. Second, they will spend, but im not convinced its next year. The rotation is an issue however and I dont know if they are going to see if they have it in the system or if they have to trade or buy it. Hahn would obviously like to fill the pen through fringe trades like he has recently as well as a garbage heap pickup but the rotation is going to be difficult to patch. I'm hearing there is a ton of payroll room, a TON. But Hahn is reluctant to do a KW and spend money horribly with a team that finishes 10 games out of the division. Hopefully between Sanburn, Olacio and Snodgress, one of those guys makes an impact and soon...Bassit, perhaps. I'm dubious about Taylor Thompson being viable with his lack of overwhelming stuff, but you could have said the same thing about Putnam and he has a way of missing more bats in the 80's than most relievers do in the 90's. Beck's another option for the bullpen, presumably.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 4, 2014 -> 10:51 PM) It would be hard to take a good hitter like Conor out of an MLB lineup. He has a spot but not in the heart. Second, the Sox are spending money. They hope to pick up probably one or two proven pen arms, and obviously someone in the rotation. Signing an actual middle of the order hitter will be more difficult. When they want to complete the payroll will be over 100 million IMO Since they began this year at around $91 million, and they were something like 22nd in the majors in Opening Day payroll, I'd argue that $110-115 million is where they need to be (at least) before the 2016 season. That's still going to put them somewhere around 17th-23rd in the majors. Not much room for error. And unless Hawkins is a 5 hitter and Anderson a 2-3, they're going to have to spend a lot of money or talent/resources on acquiring a middle of the order hitter. Despite his work ethic, I'm still not 100% convinced of Avisail's abilities as a run producer/power bat.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Sep 4, 2014 -> 07:46 PM) Certainly not wrong, but that team still had a big time offense. We need a Dye to our PK(Abreu). If they can snag Stanton they're probably gonna be willing to put that payroll back up into the 120 range. Say Stanton gets 25M a year, that'll put the Sox salary at ~75M next year, 71M in 2016, Danks and Lexi's 25M come off the books in 2017, and Abreu/Sale are the only guys locked up in 2018. Trading Lexi for pitching could also free up even more $. If they do decide to get that payroll back up to ~120 Stantons ~25 wouldn't prevent them from adding pitching. When does Quintana's deal end? Shouldn't it at least be through 2018, if not longer?