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http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/pro...?P=carlos-rodon He's roughly 34 innings under his 2013 totals. And his ERA was nearly a point lower, but everyone's overlooking that because of the velocity drop/command issues....IP/H ratio tightening...but his BB/K ratio stayed roughly the same. Not to mention the 6-7 vs. 10-3 record, which really wasn't indicative of his performance. He went from godly to near mortal, essentially.

One year ago, everyone would have been completely ecstatic. Now, it's a bit of a tempered optimism because the intense scrutiny for almost 3 years has led to all of his "warts" being exposed. For example, looking at only W-L record or H/IP. One big positive is that he's pitched a lot less this season than his sophomore campaign, so they don't have to be quite as careful monitoring him and reigning him in like Sale in 2010. That said, that 134 pitch game stands out, and he had another one in a subsequent game around 110-115 if I remember correctly. His velocity numbers have been up again after sinking into the low 90's. (The same thing happened with SF's pick Beede, who went from 94-98 to having almost no confidence in his fastball and then back up again his final collegiate start).

Just out of curiosity, did anyone have Saladino on their pre-season Top 15-20 list? 25? I definitely don't remember his name being inside the Top 15 or so.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 11:48 PM) As much as I harp on velocity being overrated, I'd kill for a RH fireballer. We're very LH heavy. Those LH pitchers have to differentiate themselves by giving hitter different looks. Quintana and Rodon would be the closest, in terms of fastball velocity and using the cutter vs. the slider. Nobody's like Danks right now, stuff-wise, with the mid to high 80's velocity and change. Same with Sale. One of a kind. It's yet another reason why Santiago was expendable.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 10:07 PM) Yeah, those were the only things that I'd say he needs to delete. "xxxx is offically gay" and "Queer" are a couple of the captions. Doesn't offend me in any way, but as a pro athlete, people will find a reason to make a big deal out if it. Shades of Beckham/Getz. What is it with Georgia boys like Adams, Beckham and Hawkeroo?

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 09:51 PM) I did. i see he is aprt of the National Pitching association (NPA) which is the Tom house, Nolan Ryan, Larry Rothschild group. These are the guys that taught Mark Prior how to pitch and proclaimed his mechanics perfect. If you've heard of the towel drill and the football throwing drill, this is them. While i like their analysis method, I'm not a huge fan of their idea of the perfect mechanics and some of the drill to teach them. I noticed in the Kolek video there's a fitness/training center 1 hour from his ranch and they were definitely doing that towel/snap drill thing with him...jumping up onto a raised surface (mat) and landing in "squat" position, etc.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 09:06 PM) Marc Hulet ‏@marchulet 12m Not loving the delivery from #whitesox pick Spencer Adams based on http://mlb.com video #MLBDraft Is he related to Tim Hulet? Oops, definitely not....it's Hulett (former White Sox infielder). “We were surprised,” Laumann said. “We had pretty good information throughout the process here, especially the last couple of days, it sounded like he was going to be gone. Sometimes these things go sideways for one way or another, and I think we found out right after the first pick and leading to the second pick. “We watched the progression over several years and thought he was the consensus best guy on the board.” Thought to be the most polished pitcher in the draft, Rodon is believed to be the player who could reach the major leagues the fastest. Armed with a good slider/fastball combination, one American League scout called Rodon “one of the top 10 pitchers on the planet” in the spring. White Sox pitching coach Don Cooper said Wednesday he liked all four of the pitchers the club was looking at. “The closest to the big leagues is Rodon,” Cooper said. Some around the White Sox have suggested Rodon could pitch in the majors as a reliever later this season the same way Chris Sale did after he was drafted in 2010. While Laumann said it’s unfair to put Rodon on “the Sale track,” it is feasible the 21-year-old could pitch in Chicago in 2014. “With the type of fastball and slider he has, certainly could be a guy is on a so-called fast track,” Laumann said. “The most important thing is we get start on getting him comfortable with the organization.” www.csnchicago.com

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 08:58 PM) Any signability issues here? UGA recruit... So money will be an issue, especially as he fell almost 20 spots from where he was expected to be selected. They might really front-load almost all of their pool into the first 5-10 picks or so. You can't put Adams ahead of Anderson and maybe even Davidson or Hawkins (yet), but he's definitely Top 4-5. Probably comes in ahead of Danish and Micah Johnson. 1. Rodon 2. Anderson 3. Hawkins or Davidson 5. Adams 6. M. Johnson 7. Danish 8. Beck That looks a LOT more respectable.

6'3" 171lbs DOB: 04/13/96 | Scouting video An elite athlete, Adams is a three-sport star in high school. The same athleticism that allows him to throw down dunks on the basketball court has helped him develop into a coveted right-hander. Adams' fastball sits in the low 90s and tops out at 95 mph with excellent life. His sharp slider is his best secondary offering and has the potential to be a swing-and-miss offering. His changeup and curveball give him two more pitches that have the chance to be average or better. Adams, a Georgia recruit, has a loose, easy delivery and repeats it well. His long, lean build leads scouts to believe he could add more velocity as he gets stronger and focuses solely on baseball.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 06:16 PM) Any chance Trea Turner falls to 44? Slim and none.

Pentecost has to be here. That's who the Cubs should have taken. IDIOTS.

It is curious the reasons/excuses for why Rodon and Kolek weren't available (at least so far) tonight. Let's hope getting passed over and falling to 3 gives Carlos even more incentive to prove critics wrong. Break out the Rodon/Abreu/Ramirez/Viciedo posters, marketing department.

QUOTE (beautox @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 06:09 PM) can't believe we landed Rodon and we didn't even have to be as s***ty as the astros to make it happen. The future is bright with Sale, Quintana, Rodon and if one of Danish or Montas can make it and Johnson can refind his fastball and command money! Warren Buffett, III, has big-time potential for Univ. of Nebraska-Omaha.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 06:08 PM) Still would like to know what would have happened if Aiken-Rodon went 1-2. That saved the board months and months of debating Nola vs. Kolek, that's for sure. It saved thousands of keystrokes for TUC and Marty34.

Wow...thought Hoffman would go two spots later. Guess he's still asking for a significant amount of money...unless the team picking 10th was likely to be looking at him as well, logic would have dictated taking the guy they wanted the most at 9, but who knows? Will be very interesting to see how long it takes him to make it to the majors. Savings on the draft pool allotment I guess...in theory. Great gamble, but Reynolds/Gammons are right, the odds are pretty high he will have a second TJ within 5-7 years, which would really derail his career for good.

Wow, really early for Freeland. Most were projecting the teens or early 20's. Small frame/durability has always been the concern...a bit like Gio Gonzalez in that sense.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 05:51 PM) Yep, exactly. All those people questioning our fandom and being so visirol about us rooting for the Sox to lose now get to bathe in the reward of having Carlos Rodon on this team. We were sitting at like pick #11 before myself and others decided to bite the bullet and root for Sox losses. Now let's see who goes #11 to Toronto and ask everyone if they would trade Carlos Rodon for that person. The answer is going to be f*** NO. VITRIOL/IC?

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 05:53 PM) +1 ( times fifteen thousand ) Be careful what you wish for if Rodon ends up with TJ and Hoffman's coming back at #11 in 2016 and mowing down hitters and looking like Justin Verlander. Time will tell.

Solid pick for the Phillies. Nola is a bit smallish, that had to be one of the concerns. Aaron's stuff isn't exactly comparable to Peavy. He's not a Cy Young type of arm, but probably better than Leake. Hoffman for sure to the Blue Jays at 11 still?

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 05:46 PM) I think we are ahead of what everyone expected.. Our pitching rotation could be awesome in 3 years with Sale-Rodon-Quintana-Danish... Oh man! Too bad Erik Johnson has fallen off the face of the earth, but we also can take a Haren/T.Hudson/Feldman/Beckett/Hughes/Kazmir/J.Johnson type for 1-3 years to fill in the back-end now. The second or third tier after Scherzer/Lester/Shields....then Masterson would be similar to Garza/Santana/Jimenez, although younger.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 05:42 PM) It's still sinking in, just best case scenario. This is going to be an incredibly interesting draft to revisit in 5 years. We might be saying "what if" if Kolek becomes an ace, but at least they can't be accused of passing on him. All of the TUC posts in the last week were wasted hot air in the end. Nola probably ends up 7-12 where everyone was projecting him for the last couple of months. Wonder if they have a shot at Finnegan at 44 with all the shoulder concerns? That might cause him to want to take the guaranteed money, rather than risk losing even more if his shoulder goes.

QUOTE (woods of ypres @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 05:38 PM) How is Jackson falling this low? $$$ demands? As soon as the Marlins passed and went with Kolek, he got pushed back. Basically, the same thought process with how Tyler was going to fall back to 8-11 if the White Sox didn't take him.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 05:36 PM) Nah, they want a middling colllege bat apparently. Gammons, senile as he is, seems pretty convinced "he's the most advanced college bat". Uh, no, that's Jackson. Isn't Jackson in hs? Some say Zimmer, some say Pentecost, there's a lot of different opinions. Conforto, etc.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 05:32 PM) Better question, has a team with a decent offense and a 1,2,3 as good as Sale, Q, and Rodon (could be) ever failed? I mean that's like Braves 90's all over again dominant front line staff. And Danks looking like Glavine Lite if he can learn how to pitch with diminished velocity. Let's just hope Rodon/Sale don't end up like Steve Avery, haha.

Wasn't everyone basically saying Pentecost was the only one likely to stick at C of the top 3? They already have so many bats, Bryant/Baez/Soler/Rizzo, etc. Unless he's going to stick at catcher, it's not a very good pick. Where are they going to play all those guys?