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Two shutouts by the A's. Swept by the Cubs. And we get Oakland again next weekend...winners of 14/16 now. Lovely. OH, and King Felix/Iwakuma. The only hope is the Mariners are more pathetic than the Sox, if just barely.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 2, 2013 -> 05:05 PM) Lack of talent is 50%? Exactly who manages this team to a better record? Then there's no argument for NOT rebuilding if the team is so terrible they can't contend or be "managed up."

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 2, 2013 -> 05:07 PM) Who wants Cooper to go? I only said that were Ventura to resign/be fired and Cooper said he wouldn't stay unless he was named the manager. That's the only situation where it would be wise to part ways.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 2, 2013 -> 05:05 PM) Lack of talent is 50%? Exactly who manages this team to a better record? A week ago, we had one of the best pitching staffs in the AL and Viciedo looked like a stud.

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Jun 2, 2013 -> 05:00 PM) Good point. But what I meant was more that the players we have seem to be meatheads, but that is just me I thought it was SoxTalk posters who were the meatheads, lol.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 2, 2013 -> 04:59 PM) In a society where a lot of people get a kick out of people except themselves gettimg fired, I can assure you the White Sox are more than happy with Robin. If you really think this is all on him, you might want to find a different hobby because he won't be going anywhere for a while. Because his presence deflects attention from KW's mistakes, and JR. After all, it's impossible "hate" Robin Ventura. What you'll end up with is apathy, frustration and discontent, which you're already seeing evidence of. Hard to get upset with Ventura, he was put in an impossible situation, he did a great job for most of last season under the circumstances but he hasn't been able to make adjustments. The team doesn't seem to be responding and hasn't since last season. Sure, 50% of it's a lack of talent...but Ventura's managing hasn't gotten better. There's no way anyone who has followed the team closely the last 1 1/2 years could come to that conclusion.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 2, 2013 -> 04:53 PM) His defense has been mediocre at best since joining the Sox. Maybe the most overrated defensive prospect in a long time for the Sox. Not exactly Brian Simmons or Mike Huff, lol....except for his 2 walkoff homers and being John's brother, he would be 100% forgettable.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 2, 2013 -> 04:54 PM) Can't he just go to another organization? He's just not good. Unless he can fix his brother's fastball and control/command issues.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 2, 2013 -> 04:52 PM) Jordan Danks kicked the ball. It has to be Ventura's fault, correct? There's an atmosphere being created where the errors are either 1) being tolerated or 2) snowballing and defining this team/season. At a certain point, managers are held accountable for those kinds of things.

No excuse there for the runner scoring from 1st at ALL.... Shades of Brent Lillibridge, lol. More horrible defense....supposedly from our best defensive outfielder, whatever that rating/ranking is worth.

Reed in these situations or with a tie...always scary. But let's face facts, our offense isn't likely to score even if they give up one or two "insurance" runs. Of course, if we gave up a crooked number, the Sox would probably score 2-3 in the 9th and come up just short.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 2, 2013 -> 04:47 PM) I agree but if he doesn't get it next time, he could be gone all together. Then so be it, I don't think even Hahn can be intimidated into being forced into a managerial move that will end up backfiring on him.

Supposedly, Cooper has the highest, or one of the highest, pitching coach salaries in baseball. It's not quite like taking over the White Sox in 2006 or Matheny last year with the Cards.

Sox losing 8-3 this weekend, lol.

Cooper doesn't have the makings of a great manager. His communication/media/PR skills SUCK. It would be another Bevington. The pitching would fall off with him having to delegate that more....you don't weaken the strongest area of your team, that almost never works. He would never survive a month of being second-guessed.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 2, 2013 -> 04:32 PM) You wouldn't see me upset if they cleared house and started from scratch with the whole coaching staff after this season (including a new clubhouse atmosphere with Konerko gone). Cooper's done a great job here, but sometimes change is best for everyone. No disagreement here. And I don't blame the hitting on Manto and certainly not the bullpen on Cooper, when we have one of the better pitching staffs in baseball (not going to blame him for Danks, either) overall. Everyone could see Thornton was fading, and Veal couldn't be expected to work miracles year after year since it was never on the back of his baseball card. If anything, the Sox deserve a lot of credit for getting so much out of Septimo, Omogrosso, Jones and Veal last year. But that wasn't Ventura... The complete lack of fundamentals, sound decision-making on defense, bad instincts, base-running gaffes....that's always going to be on a manager, as the buck stops with him. If his coaches aren't getting the job done, he has to intervene personally or replace them.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 2, 2013 -> 04:20 PM) Viciedo on pace for a whopping 12 homers and 39 RBIs. (he was injured though) YOUR EXTRAPOLATE PACE THINGY SUCKS. Sure, if Viciedo was on pace for 600 ab's, a regular major league season (some guys get high 600's)...then he would be slated for 20 homers and 60-70 RBI's. Considering we have the worst White Sox offense by far since the beginning of the KW regime, that's not a surprise. Are you going to do the say the same thing with projecting Beckham, too, when he comes back? Sale's streak the longest continuous scoreless innings streak since Wilson Alvarez in 1993.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 2, 2013 -> 04:22 PM) Sale knows he is supposed to back up the play. He went back there but for some reason, the first base side. I don't see how his stupidity is on any coach or manager. Then why aren't the players doing it? Most of us have seen high school and junior college teams that play better fundamental baseball than this year's Sox team.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 2, 2013 -> 04:20 PM) I think it is safe to say the rest of 2013 for the Sox will be bad baseball. Or, even if it isn't, the argument will be we were already out of the race so none of the experience the players gained was under the pressure of a late season pennant race. For example, if Erik Johnson came up and looked like Kip Wells in his rookie campaign.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 2, 2013 -> 04:18 PM) What I don't understand is you say the Sox are loaded with bad plyers. Have a lot of players who simply can't hit. Then say the coaches are responsible for the bad record. I really don't know of anyone who can coach bad players to a great result. The problem is that there's ZERO evidence of coaching this year on the defensive side of things. And equally bad base-running. If they were playing the game the RIGHT way and not making 3-4-5 instantly recognizable mistakes that a Little League coach or Tom Emanski could correct...just hustle/effort errors...most here wouldn't have a problem admitting there was a talent issue. But there's a clear talent AND coaching issue right now.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 2, 2013 -> 04:16 PM) Its funny how much he's changed. Offensively talented in Atlanta and defensively deficient. Then he comes here and becomes offensively deficient and defensively talented. Now he's just bad in both areas. you mean in their system, as he never was close to Atlanta as a prospect before the trade for Javy

Worse than Flowers was Sale being completely out of position and not backing up home on the throw. It's the first thing you learn in Little Leagues as a pitcher... Sad. Not that it had anything to do with Crisp being safe or not at home.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 2, 2013 -> 04:08 PM) What's Sale's velocity been like? Only seen him throw a few pitches today. From the A's broadcast (radio), 91-94. In recent innings, they've mentioned the higher end of that range. Cooper's still hot about the balk call in the 3rd. Another blown call in MIL/PHIL series this week. Houston derailing the Angels' season, just like the Royals vs. Sox last year. Sale wasn't backing up the catcher on the throw. On the LH batter's box side of home on the throw. MORE HORRIBLE SOX FUNDAMENTALS. Gee, there's a surprise. It's like they have all forgotten how to play baseball since August of 2012.

Huge K to get Cespedes. One more pitch from a DP and out of the inning...miraculously.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 2, 2013 -> 04:05 PM) He'll just not be brought back with most of this staff after the season, IMO Why would Ventura want to come back next year? Why would anyone want him back?