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QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ May 8, 2012 -> 07:30 PM) Which is why reed should have been in the game yesterday. I am not sure why other teams will over use their pen yet all we hear is how overworked the sox pen is. If Stewart and Jones are not going to be used send them down. Sox pen had the fewest or second fewest innings in the AL coming into the DHer yesterday. That Quintana effort might have bumped us out of 1st, not sure.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 8, 2012 -> 07:29 PM) Then you let him start the inning if you're willing to have him pitch 2 innings. Trying to get the CG shutout for Danks screwed Ventura there. He should have left well enough alone and not pushed him and taken him out of the game with only good thoughts to rest upon. Now he doesn't even have a Win to show for that effort. Danks already had mid 90's in terms of pitch count, did we really want to put him in the 115-125 range to get a CG with how shaky he's been this season?

Hagadone, this guy has very good stuff, he toyed with us last time we faced him.

Chris Sale just threw 26 max effort pitches there that inning. Lovely idea. Maybe they are intentionally trying to blow out his elbow and just get TJ over with sooner rather than later.

Zach Stewart for next inning when the game's tied? LOL Not that it matters what I think, but they might as well use Jones in the bottom of the 9th if the game is still a game (meaning the Indians haven't already scored again here).

Well, this wasn't predictable! Four fastballs in a row to Santana, 93-96 MPH, the fourth was one center cut and right in the middle of his happy hitting zone.

93-94-95 with the fastball. That's not going to work in high leverage late inning situations. I don't think I can stand to watch. If Sale blows this one, you're going to have even more of a closer controversy with Addison Reed saying "what the hell do I have to do to get a chance?" "What haven't I proven?"

And Sale's only at 95 or 96. That high 90's fastball is missing.

And he just threw four sliders in a row. That won't tear up his elbow at all.

I guess he has to get the benefit of the doubt, but it should have been...well, Ventura's screwed, lol. Thornton was used last night, Santiago doesn't belong on the team, Ohman...but extending Sale is 2 innings is crazy. 4/26 Hannahan against LHP this season, so maybe Reed wasn't the BEST choice but he was the best available.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ May 8, 2012 -> 07:09 PM) Hes throwing a solid game and is under 100 pitches, why is it ridiculous....guys a bulldog The last thing he needed was to give up 2-3 runs there, exit the game and possibly lose his victory. I would think with his velocity being down this season they'd want to get him out of there after 7 and then when (at the very least) the FIRST hitter reached. No reason to face Hannahan with Danks. You have to use Reed and end this losing streak.

This is setting up to be the biggest debacle yet this season if he leaves Danks in too long and forgets that he now has Addison Reed and Chris Sale at the back of the pen.

I hope Ventura's more concerned with the team win than getting Danks a CG shutout. This is the point where he'll walk a guy or two and the bases will quickly be loaded when he's out of gas.

Kotchmann 10/23 now in his career against Danks. At least Viciedo went for the huge catch, but you don't want that runner on 2B there. He did hustle to prevent the triple. Make or break play.

QUOTE (Jake @ May 8, 2012 -> 06:42 PM) I don't know what's gotten into AJ In all seriousness, Cowley might have been able to throw out Santana there on a delayed steal with a C/1B/DH running.

Pretty fortunate Santana tried the delay steal trick again or this inning would look quite differently. Last time, AJ threw the ball into CF. This time, he was out by a country mile and should have turned back he was that far away from being safe.

13 pitches that AB to Duncan, 32 pitches for 4 outs.

GameDay nugget of wisdom. Trying to throw inside because Duncan is hitting .222 against pitches there versus .224 overall. Haha. That's going a little bit overboard with their computer analysis software of trends. Danks has YET to throw a curveball all game. Weird. Not sure how he can make it as a two pitch pitcher with a diminished fastball. Cutter isn't working well, either. Just fastball and slider pitcher for the moment. And he's struggling to put away hitters because his stuff just isn't as crisp, not sure why. This AB started with an 0-2 count and has climbed to 12 pitches already and still no out.

Gee, thanks for that info Farmer. Harrelson's wife (Aris, sp?), son KC and their puppy are driving up from Florida to South Bend and will be in Chicago this weekend.

What's the number there Fathom? I remember you were tracking how many times Danks gave up leads (or at least runs) the inning directly following runs scored for the Sox. It was something like 6/10. I suppose 50% makes sense when you've got an ERA of 6.34 at the moment.

It's all those Santos and Quentin fans who are still upset. Is there any evidence that attendance has been higher for Chris Sale starts, for example?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 8, 2012 -> 10:28 AM) Its funny you're now crying about money when you jab me all the time for saying the Sox weren't being straight in April of 2009 saying they had nothing to spend. Seriously, change your name to Mitt. And if nothing can be worse than where they are at right now, there's nothing from stopping you from paying any attention. If the entire situation bothers you that much, you should spend your hours doing something you might enjoy. Its not like JR is going to read your posts and give you a call for more of your opinions. Says the same poster who seems more concerned with a hitting coach no longer associated with our organization. If you want, just go ahead and put me on ignore. Your telling me I can't be a fan or that somehow you're a more optimistic fan or a diehard believer in Kenny Williams' ability and strategic vision to right the foundering ship is a bit laughable. For all your conspiracy financial theories, I'll say touche....JR could care less what you've posted as well, for that matter, who cares, it's only a sport, it's not life or death, right? But let me get this straight. This season, why have you been posting here with the same consistent message...are you really thinking that you will change people's minds? What's the point?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 8, 2012 -> 10:17 AM) That still doesn't explain places like Oakland and Toronto which do have past histories of drawing fans. Another team that had great attendance, went through a down period and got back at least 50% of their fans (compared to the Indians, Blue Jays and Mariners examples) is Colorado. The Brewers have done a great job moving from a largely-irrelevant small market team to a perennial powerhouse. It's not impossible. And even in the 1980's/early 90's and then again in the late 90's/early 00's, the A's NEVER drew huge crowds. And even though Beane hasn't been very good recently, I credit him for sticking his neck out with the Cespedes signing. You have to take a risk to get a superstar player when the odds are more likely it will go bust and really end up hurting a small-market team for years to come.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 8, 2012 -> 09:59 AM) I remember when KW acquired an $11 million a year #5 starter, people were fine with that. So if Danks is a #3, his contract appears to be right in line. And if the Sox totally bottomed out and got rid of all their top players, you would still be complaining, and there is no guarantee the rebuild will work. The guy pointed out that long rebuilds tend to lose you fans forever. He said one reason TB can't draw 10k is because they were bad so long, people became disinterested forever. People have no patience with the current young guys on the Sox roster. They will have no patience if the entire line up was full of these types of players. They would stop caring all together. That was at a time when JR was willing to open the purse strings and the fans were coming out to support the team because they were putting a good product on the field. Nothing can be worse than this current oblivion we're mired in. Even a GM throwing darts against the wall with a blindfold on has to get something useful back for Floyd, Crain, Thornton, AJ, Alexei, Konerko, Dunn, Danks, etc. With the White Sox generating SO MUCH MORE MONEY than any of those other 6 teams from media rights, with their valuation at #10 in all of baseball, with a pretty inelastic market in terms of season ticket/suite buyers (corporate side) who will be supporting the team indefinitely into the future, they're financially in a much better position to weather the coming storm. Arguably, the Dodgers' sale price (over 20 interested groups in on the sale at one point or another) and upcoming national baseball renegotiated contract dollars/revenue sharing puts the real value of the team in the $900 million to $1 billion range. But seriously. what's the difference between 72-90 with John Danks on the roster and 65-97 without Danks? Will there be ANY difference in attendance? I sincerely doubt it. Moving up 5 spots in the first round of the draft will be much more valuable than then negligible difference in ticket revenues lost from being a semi-horrible team compared to a REALLY horrific one.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ May 8, 2012 -> 10:04 AM) Cue the "Well one is a starter" noise. I like all the left-handed mystery pitchers we have. They are all gonna be nice filler for that trade that lands us a young bat. Besides Chris Carter for Carlos Quentin, when's the last time we actually landed a good young bat via trade? The organization was also very high on Jon Adkins, Felix Diaz, Sean Tracey, Chris Marquez, Nick Masset, David Aardsma, Sisco, MacDougal, Zach Stewart...now Nestor Molina. PROVE IT with some results on the field instead of the PR/Chris Rongey/Scott Merkin talk.