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QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 09:20 PM) I hope you aren't implying we have a Liriano, Punto, Barlett, and awesome bullpen to save us. No, but I've been hearing about the Twins and Astros ever since I started posting fire sale threads over a month ago.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 09:16 PM) Honestly, you need to fire the pitching coaches as well. We have so many stud pitching prospects the last decade who have done NOTHING. Its an entire organization thing, they all need to be changed. We have produced by ourselves five solid big leaguers basically in a decade: Buehrle, Maggs, C-Lee, Aaron and Crede. That's it, in TEN years. That is inexcusable. Well, if McCarthy and Young make it, things look a little different. Biddle, Fogg and Kip Wells have had decent careers, and Majewski, Eyre, Guerrier, Francisco, Rauch, etc., have become decent relievers. You also have to add Durham and Sirotka to the list.

That looks like a liner in the box score!

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 09:13 PM) If we are 10 or more out, and Kenny decides to go for it, instead of reloading for next year he needs to go then. I am all for going for it. But if you are 10 or more out, and you have a bunch of pending FAs that are on an older team. Its time to move on. You get a crapload of talent. You fire every single hitting instructor in the minors and the one up here, and you reload. this is nearly the same exact part of the year last year (first week of June) where Liriano was just beginning to start, Morneau was on the verge of going down, Batista had been released for Punto, Bartlett was up, the Twins were 8 games under .500 and 12 games behind the Tigers

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 09:10 PM) Someone yelled something that was caught on camera. As Buckavic comes off the field, a "Say Hi to MacDougal next week" Another ex-Royals' reliever bites the dust. The funny thing is, Riske might be the best of all three, and we let him go to the Royals, lol. Hey, Logan can even get righthanded batters out...what do you know?

Logan's our 3rd best bullpen member and 3 months ago, a lot of people were of the opinion he might never pitch for the Sox again. That's how bad things have gotten.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 09:05 PM) Is this going to be about our 5th game in the last few weeks that went from close in the 5th inning to a blowout by the 7th? It was more heartbreaking last year when you always believed (until August) that they could come back from every lead, usually coming up one or two runs short but making it exciting. Well, I guess anything is better than this, I'll take those Twins and Astros comeback games in a heartbeat. EDIT: Bukvich has the same exact stuff as BILLY KOCH, same results too

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 09:05 PM) Cause KW is ignorant to the fact that these guys are old and suck. Seriously, Crede is done in sox uni, Juan just is too incosistent and we need a new SS next year. We don't have a LF or CF, right now. Our RF is getting old and losing bat speed quickily. Our Catcher is homerun or nothing. Paulie, god bless what he has done for this organization, but is just so frustrating right now because he is basically a 0 tool player at the moment. No average, no power, clearly no speed, not great D because of his range and an average arm. But we have another 92-94 MPH RH reliever. YAY! You've got mail. YAY!

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 08:54 PM) Seriously, I think we blow leads and play more inept offense for Mark than it seems any other team does for one of their starters. Is it just me or do we just die when Mark pitches? We haven't helped Jon Danks out much this year either.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 08:48 PM) Playing a guy with a hurt arm at 3rd is on the top 100 stupid plays of the year. So you really want Mackowiak over there? Actually, it might be better to play Uribe at 3B and Cintron at SS, as far as I'm concerned. Dye took just one little extra hop or he would have had him.

Which reliever gets the honor of blowing the doors wide open? Day? Logan? Prinz? Bukvich?

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 08:44 PM) I beg to differ, that wasn't a bad pitch, just a great job of hitting by one of the best the past decade. Let's not make Damon into a HOF player. He's a very solid major leaguer, but the fact he played for Boston and NY made him seem "better" than reality...

Cintron's lack of arm strength is killing us on that play. Goodbye, lead...hello, bullpen disaster.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 08:40 PM) Classic Walkerball by Dye. Hips fly open, about a week early* swing, roll over to 3rd on the ground. That is textbook Greg Walker teaching at work. What do you do when you replace Walker and they're still hitting the same way, because that's what they are, or they're just losing it? Is this going to be 7 or 8 games in a row not getting his 500th?

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 08:15 PM) How exactly did Dye git to third from first on a grounder to the shortstop? A-Rod came all the way across to SS on a grounder between them, and they were playing AJ to pull on the infield already. The ball went to SS, and A-Rod was too slow getting back to bag, pitcher and catcher couldn't make it over there in time either.

Sabathia taking a 1-0 shutout (at least) into the 9th versus KC. Royals are looking really putrid, Gordon might need to go down to Omaha, I doubt they let Borowski get a sniff of this game. Rob, thanks for the "FREE A/C" night at the Cell, it's already cold enough there.

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 08:03 PM) side note: damaso marte sporting a 0.98 ERA with 19 K's in 18 IP Unfortunately, we need righties...and does anyone care what stats you rack up in Pittsburgh? Those stats are as relevant as what MacDougal or Sisco did for the Royals.

Cintron can BARELY throw the ball across the diamond.

This team has ADD. When you get excited, they let you down. When you are about to give up, they give you a whimper of hope.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 07:55 PM) So...who's next on the AAA bandwagon to come up and play in the outfield? Ernie Young? Maybe we can bring back Ruben Rivera.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 02:59 PM) bulls***, I hate this line of thinking. Silva and Nathan they didn't develop, but it seems to me that it's quite obvious that the Twins likely lack scouts in Latin America, so instead they see these players that other teams are signing and then target them in trades. Santana was a Rule 5 pick; had he stayed with Houston, do you think there's any chance in hell he's the pitcher he is today? Without tutoring from the minor league pitching coaches, do you think Liriano comes up and puts up an ERA of under 2? Kyle Lohse was traded when he was 20 years old in High A ball. The Twins developed those players just as the White Sox developed Neal Cotts and Jon Garland. Sure, they acquired them in trades, but they aren't the pitchers they are today without the White Sox minor league instructors. If Garland had stayed with the Cubs, it's quite possible they would have attempted to turn him into a power arm and that his arm would be dead by now. Aside from that, how about Juan Rincon? Eddie Guardado? JC Romero? Pat Neshek? LaTroy Hawkins? Those are 5 more that have come up and had great success. Jacque Jones, Corey Koskie, Cristian Guzman, Matthew LeCroy, Doug Mientkiewicz, and AJ Pierzynski all came up together through the Twins system, and all have played important roles on teams - usually starting - with the exceptions of Koskie, due to a concussion, Guzman, due to a shoulder (but he's back and starting), and Matthew LeCroy. Can the White Sox top that? And that's not including Punto, Bartlett, David Ortiz, Mohr, Ford, Kielty, Kubel, Mays, etc. The Twins, by and far, have superior developmental and scouting systems than do the White Sox. The last time the White Sox finished in last place was around like 88 I think, so that's basically 20 years or solid baseball. Okay, but we also had Grilli, Cotts, Garland, Guerrier, Majewski, Rauch, Scott Eyre, Joe Valentine, Rocky Biddle, Frank Francisco, Josh Rupe, Kip Wells, Josh Fogg...it's not as if we HAVEN'T produced or nurtured any pitchers that had major league impacts, although most have been disappointing with the Sox.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 10:16 AM) You need a passport to fly to Canada now. It isn't like it used to be. Especially if you have that particulary virulent strain of TB!

QUOTE(29thandPoplar @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 10:19 AM) Whats that old Styx song, Too Much Time on My Hands. The scenario you present can and likely will change a thousand times between now and then. You're kidding yourself if you think KW doesn't have a board with the FA classes of 09 and 10 on his board and his selected targets. He has to know that it's possible Fields, Anderson, Owens and Sweeney might all fail, so there has to be some type of back-up plan in place (whether you want to call it Plan B, Plan C or Plan D).

QUOTE(AirScott @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 09:58 AM) I don't see the point in making the big splash deals because these Sox aren't that far off. The hitting WILL come around, just because it really doesn't make any sense for it not to -- with the exception of Crede and Uribe (and Dye due to injuries) have done nothing but hit their throughout entire careers. Really, it doesn't make any sense for these guys not to come around. Anywho, I keep throwing out the Reds' David Weathers as one guy to acquire, for starters because the Reds suck so much that he may be made available. He's 37 years old with 16 years experience, which is more than our entire bullpen has combined. While he's been a major league reliever for 16 years, nobody in our pen has done it for more than two years, if that. With him (or any proven veteran reliever who might be available via trade), there would be more clear-cut roles and situations that we'd bring guys in, and we wouldn't have to read these words about Ryan Bukvich and Bret Prinz (this from today's Sun-Times): "...both will be expected to perform in late-inning clutch situations." Whenever you pay for saves (in Weathers' case, 11), you're going to pay through the teeth, even when they're recorded by a 37 year-old or Al Reyes in TB. Maybe it's worth it to give them Lance Broadway, to heck if I know. I would almost rather rely on Aardsma or MacDougal or a player we traded Mac for (change of scenery) rather than dealing prospects for Weathers. Here's another issue with Weathers... 2007, his ERA at home (a park that plays similar to Comiskey) is 6.10 versus 2.65 on the road Small sample size, right? Well, in 2005, 06, and 07 (this is relevant since he's been a Red the entire time)... 4.72 HOME ERA versus 3.07 on the ROAD Which, when you consider the discrepancy in talent between AL and NL, equals, at best, David Riske, and, at worst, a 5+ ERA and the loss of some starting pitching depth. Here's another thought to be concerned about... Lefty Tyler Lumsden got his third straight win Saturday in Omaha’s victory. He improved to 5-3 after allowing one run and three hits in six innings. He is 3-0 with a 2.43 ERA in his last five starts.

QUOTE(Brian @ Jun 5, 2007 -> 09:58 AM) Wow, some people are even looking past next year. You really have to...especially since we have a HUGE gap in our position prospects from the higher levels to the lower levels. The only viable way to fill those needs is by trade, unless we want to see Valido, Getz, Gonzalez, Ozuna, etc., playing middle infield. In that case, it would be really bleak, we'd bottom out and get our first Top 10 draft pick in 17 years, in which case there's a 75% chance (unless we called Larry Himes up) that we'd make the wrong call anyway. Maybe someone like Shelby can emerge as a starting 2B, but I think they have him playing OF right now, even though he was drafted as an infielder. Cunningham, Carter and Allen are nowhere close to being middle infielders, unfortunately. In fact, just go up the middle, Catcher/SS/2B/CF. Nobody. Donny Lucy MIGHT be a back-up catcher in the mold of a Chris Stewart in a couple of seasons. If he has the same career as Wiki Gonzalez, he'd be lucky.